Hen Knight retires

RichieLawlor

After making a complete bollocks of training Somersby over the last 2 years maybe she decided she wasn't up to it anymore.

Still, respect for training Best Mate!

ziggy

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RichieLawlor

ziggy wrote: »

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She should have retired when Terry first became unwell if that was the case. He didn't just have a stroke yesterday like, and she still hanging on to that licence for another while yet.

Clearly Terry was doing the training because she is awful. I made a comment on her training ability not her personal life.

hucklebuck

RichieLawlor wrote: »

After making a complete bollocks of training Somersby over the last 2 years maybe she decided she wasn't up to it anymore.

Still, respect for training Best Mate!

Do you think Somersby is a top class animal, in fairness to her I don't think he is. Very moody sort to my mind, save for his win over Finians he has not beaten much and he was hammered by Riverside and Sanctuaire.

Looking forward to seeing Channon training more NH horses.

mdwexford

hucklebuck wrote: »

Do you think Somersby is a top class animal, in fairness to her I don't think he is. Very moody sort to my mind, save for his win over Finians he has not beaten much and he was hammered by Riverside and Sanctuaire.

Looking forward to seeing Channon training more NH horses.

Any Grade 1 winner is a top class animal. Let alone one who beat the Champion Chase and Melling Chase winner.

He's no Azertyuiop but he is a solid grade 1/2 performer.

hucklebuck

mdwexford wrote: »

Any Grade 1 winner is a top class animal. Let alone one who beat the Champion Chase and Melling Chase winner.

He's no Azertyuiop but he is a solid grade 1/2 performer.

So one win in a grade one and a rating of 166 is top class?

You must consider a lot of horses top class so.

Nulty

Somersby isn't really sound enough to be called top class, solid G1\2 yeah. I think its obvious now he's around 10lbs better at Ascot.

meriwether

RichieLawlor wrote: »

After making a complete bollocks of training Somersby over the last 2 years maybe she decided she wasn't up to it anymore.

Still, respect for training Best Mate!

What would Somersby have achieved under a different trainer?

RichieLawlor

meriwether wrote: »

What would Somersby have achieved under a different trainer?

Maybe nothing.

ziggy

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RichieLawlor

ziggy wrote: »

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I didn't back track. My point remains the same. My mother would have trained him better.

He MIGHT not have won anymore or he MIGHT be the 2m Champion Chaser. He should have ran in that race.

That was the biggest mistake she will make for a long time

mdwexford

hucklebuck wrote: »

So one win in a grade one and a rating of 166 is top class?

You must consider a lot of horses top class so.

Of course it is.

You must think you have to be a legend of the sport to be top class so we only have about 3 in training at any one time.

Going on Somersbys defeat of Finians Rainbow and what he subsequently achieved it is clear to anyone with a brain he should have been in the Champion Chase.

NaiveMelodies

RichieLawlor wrote: »

I didn't back track. My point remains the same. My mother would have trained him better.

He MIGHT not have won anymore or he MIGHT be the 2m Champion Chaser. He should have ran in that race.

That was the biggest mistake she will make for a long time

I am only a few years into properly reading and understanding the sport, one which I've been connected too since I was a boy.

But..
The more I read YOUR posts, the more I now realise that your general knowledge of horse racing is horrific.

RichieLawlor

only1stevo wrote: »

I am only a few years into properly reading and understanding the sport, one which I've been connected too since I was a boy.

But..
The more I read YOUR posts, the more I now realise that your general knowledge of horse racing is horrific.

I see. So after winning his first grade one beating the CC 2nd favourite the correct thing to do is step him up in trip next time out. All Somersbys best form is over 2 miles, that's an indisputable fact.

It's obvious to anyone he should have ran in the CC.

hucklebuck

mdwexford wrote: »

Of course it is.

You must think you have to be a legend of the sport to be top class so we only have about 3 in training at any one time.

Going on Somersbys defeat of Finians Rainbow and what he subsequently achieved it is clear to anyone with a brain he should have been in the Champion Chase.

So there are only about 3 "top class" horses (rated mid 160s) in training at the moment.

He should have been in the champ chase,but what he did subsequent made it clear???

Anyone with half a brain would say being beaten 17 lengths by a horse still full of running and rated 16lbs inferior isn't proof he should have been in the champion chase.

mdwexford

hucklebuck wrote: »

So there are only about 3 "top class" horses (rated mid 160s) in training at the moment.

He should have been in the champ chase,but what he did subsequent made it clear???

Anyone with half a brain would say being beaten 17 lengths by a horse still full of running and rated 16lbs inferior isn't proof he should have been in the champion chase.

I'm being sarcastic, what you in about.

What FR did after being beaten by Somersbys made it obvious Somersbys should have been in the CC, are you seriously this slow.

It was at the end of April when horses are over the top. Anyway that has no bearing on the discussion.

hucklebuck

mdwexford wrote: »

I'm being sarcastic, what you in about.

What FR did after being beaten by Somersbys made it obvious Somersbys should have been in the CC, are you seriously this slow.

It was at the end of April when horses are over the top. Anyway that has no bearing on the discussion.

What are you being sarcastic about as its not clear.

I did say in my last post he should have ran in the champion chase, this was my opinion after he beat Finians not after waiting to see how Finians fared in the champion.

I think you are either slow or captain hindsight, so as a trainer you would wait to see how a horse you beat did after before deciding what to do? It was very clear to most he should have ran in the champion, save for maybe you and Hen.

Looking forward to hearing what you are being sarcastic about:

1) That Somersby should have ran in the champion
2) That his run after beating Finians proves he should have run in the champion
3) That any horse rated mid 160 is top class

I hope it was 2 and 3.

If it wasn't 3 then what say you of a level weights race between a mid 160 horse and either Arkle/ Flying Bolt/ Mill House or Kauto Star and who you think would win.

Finally who are the three top class horses in training at the moment in your opinion.

Hulk Hands

Somersby was well beaten in the 2011 CC. After being beaten by Sizing Europe two years running, and SE in more impervious form than ever, I can't blame connections for thinking they had a better opportunity to win elsewhere. Nobody could have predicted what FR did afterwards, he looked a decent horse at best that time. Somersby is also a bit of an Ascot specialist

RichieLawlor

hucklebuck wrote: »

What are you being sarcastic about as its not clear.

I did say in my last post he should have ran in the champion chase, this was my opinion after he beat Finians not after waiting to see how Finians fared in the champion.

I think you are either slow or captain hindsight, so as a trainer you would wait to see how a horse you beat did after before deciding what to do? It was very clear to most he should have ran in the champion, save for maybe you and Hen.

Looking forward to hearing what you are being sarcastic about:

1) That Somersby should have ran in the champion
2) That his run after beating Finians proves he should have run in the champion
3) That any horse rated mid 160 is top class

I hope it was 2 and 3.

If it wasn't 3 then what say you of a level weights race between a mid 160 horse and either Arkle/ Flying Bolt/ Mill House or Kauto Star and who you think would win.

Finally who are the three top class horses in training at the moment in your opinion.

Are you purposely not understanding what has been said or are you reading a different thread to the rest of us. Perhaps your not able to comprehend.

Either way, start and read the thread again, your talking bollocks.

mdwexford

hucklebuck wrote: »

What are you being sarcastic about as its not clear.

I did say in my last post he should have ran in the champion chase, this was my opinion after he beat Finians not after waiting to see how Finians fared in the champion.

I think you are either slow or captain hindsight, so as a trainer you would wait to see how a horse you beat did after before deciding what to do? It was very clear to most he should have ran in the champion, save for maybe you and Hen.

Looking forward to hearing what you are being sarcastic about:

1) That Somersby should have ran in the champion
2) That his run after beating Finians proves he should have run in the champion
3) That any horse rated mid 160 is top class

I hope it was 2 and 3.

If it wasn't 3 then what say you of a level weights race between a mid 160 horse and either Arkle/ Flying Bolt/ Mill House or Kauto Star and who you think would win.

Finally who are the three top class horses in training at the moment in your opinion.

Any horse who can win a grade 1 and be placed in grade 1 races is top class.

What kind of stupid question is that?

There are a lot more than three obviously.

Done with this now because have no clue what you are on about.

convert

Reminder: Let's keep things civil, please.

hucklebuck

RichieLawlor wrote: »

ziggy wrote: »

Nice back tracking there

I didn't back track. My point remains the same. My mother would have trained him better.

He MIGHT not have won anymore or he MIGHT be the 2m Champion Chaser. He should have ran in that race.

That was the biggest mistake she will make for a long time

So what you are saying is she made a bollox of training Somersby and he MIGHT have won more with another trainer.

1) Either she MADE a bollocks of training him and he WOULD have won more with someone else.

OR

2) She MIGHT have made a bollocks of training him and he MIGHT have won more with another trainer.

Its one or the other you can't be positive saying she made a bollocks of it and he MIGHT have won more more or she didn't.

Sounds like someone can't COMPREHEND their own thread and is talking BOLLOCKS.

Maybe more time reading threads and less time playing a game of Chinese whisper with the retarded monkey that types your posts, they MIGHT make more sense that way.

hucklebuck

I said this(sorry about layout, laptop packed in so using phone)

So one win in a grade one and a rating of 166 is top class?

You must consider a lot of horses top class so.

You replied

mdwexford wrote: »

Of course it is.

You must think you have to be a legend of the sport to be top class so we only have about 3 in training at any one time.

Going on Somersbys defeat of Finians Rainbow and what he subsequently achieved it is clear to anyone with a brain he should have been in the Champion Chase.

MD my understanding of this is that you deem mid 160 horses top class and my argument is that it isn't top class.

While we have been blessed with legends lately like Kauto and Big Bucks I would be putting the likes of Denman and Hurricane Fly in the top class bracket. Guess its down to ones interpretation. Mine is mid 170 up is
top class and 184+ would be legendary.

On the Somersby discussion, your paragraph reads to me as a Somersby paragraph as you start with him and end saying he should have been in the champion. This is where I was replying from with my Sanctuaire comment.

He should have been allowed take his chance in the Champion given his beating of Finians (who has always been highly regarded in Seven Barrows and has finally shown what we heard he can do)

Harry Angstrom

The problem with Somersby is that most of the time when he runs over 2 miles, he looks like he needs further, and every time he runs over further, he looks like he doesn't stay. Personally, I think he's a bit of a monkey.

On a side note, I remember the criticism that Henrietta Knight used to get because she ran Best Mate so sparingly, yet Paul Nicholls has since done exactly the same with the likes of Kauto, Denman and Big Buck's, and everyone thinks he's a genius......

Hulk Hands

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

On a side note, I remember the criticism that Henrietta Knight used to get because she ran Best Mate so sparingly, yet Paul Nicholls has since done exactly the same with the likes of Kauto, Denman and Big Buck's, and everyone thinks he's a genius......

Ah there's a difference. BB ran 5 times this past season and has done for the past few seasons. Kauto used to run 5/6 times a season in his prime, and Denman only started being used sparingly after his heart problems.

Best Mate ran a max of 3 times a year, and this was during his prime (7,8,9) and he had no apparent problems holding him back. She probably had her reasons however, she doesn't do it with every horse to be fair.

I never really rated Knight as a trainer. Although I don't think she was wrong with where she aimed Somersby this year