royal marines or army commando

Patrick Quinn

Well lads been think bout this for awhile as to old to join the irish army as im 25 an age limit to join is 24 **** really. But what i want to no is what are the requierments for eithet royal marines or army commandos and what unit are better out the two any info welcome

Donny5

Patrick Quinn wrote: »

Well lads been think bout this for awhile as to old to join the irish army as im 25 an age limit to join is 24 **** really. But what i want to no is what are the requierments for eithet royal marines or army commandos and what unit are better out the two any info welcome

You're in luck. It's an easy choice as the Royal Marines are the Commandos.

thecommietommy

Donny5 wrote: »

You're in luck. It's an easy choice as the Royal Marines are the Commandos.

Patrick Quinn will surely pass the Brit's BARB ( IQ ) test with top marks surely !!!!!

OS119

Patrick Quinn wrote: »

Well lads been think bout this for awhile as to old to join the irish army as im 25 an age limit to join is 24 **** really. But what i want to no is what are the requierments for eithet royal marines or army commandos and what unit are better out the two any info welcome

there are Army Commando's, but they are not direct entry roles.

if you want to do an Infantry role, then you have to join the Royal Marines. if you want to be a Commando Gunner/Signaller/Engineer etc.. you need to join the relevent Army Corps, and then complete the All Arms Commando Course - at which point you'd be assigned a Commando-roled unit within 3 Commando Brigade.

slightly confusingly there is an Army infantry Bn within 3 Cdo Bde - 1 Rifles based at Chepstow - they are an intrinsic part of the Bde, but they don't do the AACC (by and large), just the Amphibious training - and while you can join the Rifles directly, and you can ask to go to 1Rifles, there's no guarentee that thats where you'll end up. you could find yourself track bashing with 4Rifles at Bulford....

tac foley

OS119 wrote: »

...you need to join the relevent Army Corps, and then complete the All Arms Commando Course - at which point you'd be assigned a Commando-roled unit within 3 Commando Brigade.

IF you are good enough........................

tac

ricky_spanish

id go royal marines .. all marines are first and foremost commandos regardless of their specialistion i.e every cook in the marines is a commando first cook second.
the way it seems to me (and this is probably over simplfying it) is that the men who go and do the all arms commando course are trained soldiers in the BA who go on to do further training to become a commando whereas royal marines are royal marines commandos when they pass out and just a step up imo

RMD

Royal Marines. If you want to be a Commando go to the source, if you want to go through hurdles and take chances then go army, but you wont be infantry and it's a slim chance you'll get it.

All the relevant material is available on their website.

kildare.17hmr

Considered the french foreign legion?

Patrick Quinn

thecommietommy wrote: »

Donny5 wrote: »

You're in luck. It's an easy choice as the Royal Marines are the Commandos.

Patrick Quinn will surely pass the Brit's BARB ( IQ ) test with top marks surely !!!!!

As it says the army do have commandos as well so no need for the smart remarks. Dont you think it stupid that 24 is the age limit to join irish army

Dogwatch

No, it is not stupid. They can afford to be picky because they have a much smaller intake.

Poccington

It's nothing to do with being picky. It's to do with keeping the age profile of the DF down.

groundshaker

Why do people come on here the whole time asking about joining paras, commandos, etc thinking that they'll be cutting around like rambo the whole time.. I would seriously question whether most have the mental fortitude to pass such training regimes, not based on any knowledge I have of them as individuals, but more the fact that even intakes for regular infantry units have high drop out rates.

Ya it might sound good being in the RM, but I can assure you any glamour you might associate with being classed a commando will quickly wash away when you're getting beasted around a training area in the freezing cold wet, the question then will be simply, as the RMC put it 'are you tough enough'. The simple fact is most aren't. Unless you're 100% commited, and are prepared to endure extreme hardship in order to achieve you're goals, don't join the RMC/paras.

Anyway what's wrong with joining the Irish guards or the rir, plenty of hard soldiering to be done in both. Skills and drills wise both are as good as any army regiment or rm unit

ricky_spanish

thats a spot on post groundshaker ...
a lot of irish go para/commando .. and if they dont know what the job entails i.e cold wet miserable and beasted senseless then they ll quit ...
but
becoming a para or RM isnt some unacheivable task , if you turn up just determined to get it i think you will , afterall theyre job is to turn you from civi to quality soldier they dont expect you to be one already .. think the hardest part about going for either unit is just having the stones to turn up at catterick or lympstone in the first place

cruasder777

ricky_spanish wrote: »

thats a spot on post groundshaker ...
a lot of irish go para/commando .. and if they dont know what the job entails i.e cold wet miserable and beasted senseless then they ll quit ...
but
becoming a para or RM isnt some unacheivable task , if you turn up just determined to get it i think you will , afterall theyre job is to turn you from civi to quality soldier they dont expect you to be one already .. think the hardest part about going for either unit is just having the stones to turn up at catterick or lympstone in the first place

Actually Irish are popular recruits from the MOD perspective because their drop out rate is less in percentage terms, quite a few have been professional soldiers in the Irish army or have FCA experience.


The RMs and Paras and RAF regiment have a good look at recruits for 5 days before they accept them(it also gives potential recruits a chance to see what its about) , they only accept those they think can make the grade.

bwatson

thecommietommy wrote: »

Patrick Quinn will surely pass the Brit's BARB ( IQ ) test with top marks surely !!!!!

I don't think you understand what IQ is.

Plus, for someone who is trying to degrade others in that manner you are do you not think you should have at least ensured to put the apostrophe in the right place?

Price of Turnips

This is not advice, just a rant. Dont join the Royal marines, dont join the Para's, dont sell your soul to a organisation that will see always see you as an inferior and than has, with great pride, being shoving a pool cue up the arse of this country since documented times.
If you want action, join the FCA, support your local community dont go to Iraq to firebomb other peoples communitys in the name of Queen and country

RMD

groundshaker wrote: »

Anyway what's wrong with joining the Irish guards or the rir, plenty of hard soldiering to be done in both. Skills and drills wise both are as good as any army regiment or rm unit

No disrespect meant to 1RIR or 1IG but they're not "as good". Royal Marines are Commando trained infantry, Para's are parachute trained infantry. That's a different kettle of fish to the regular infantry soldier and how demanding P Company / RT are is a demonstration of this.

If he wants to be a Commando let him attempt it, the PRMC was created to weed people out who aren't suitable. Honestly if I don't make it through the Officer route the Royal Marines are my first choice. Not just because of the Commando training but also the much more opportunities offered by life in the Royals.

goldie fish

Price of Turnips wrote: »

This is not advice, just a rant. Dont join the Royal marines, dont join the Para's, dont sell your soul to a organisation that will see always see you as an inferior and than has, with great pride, being shoving a pool cue up the arse of this country since documented times.
If you want action, join the FCA, support your local community dont go to Iraq to firebomb other peoples communitys in the name of Queen and country

The FCA were disbanded in 2005. You've been in brasil too long sunshine.

tac foley

RMD wrote: »

No disrespect meant to 1RIR or 1IG but they're not "as good".

Sir - you are writing total tosh. Your preface 'no disrespect' is a phrase that I find obnoxious in the extreme, since you are being deeply disrespectful to the point of insult to generations of Irishmen who HAVE served 'over the water'.

The fact is that each part of the Army and Royal Navy have different roles and methods of operation.

The Royal Marines are an amphibious assault organisation who arrive by boat.

The Parachute Regiment arrive by leaping out of an airplane.

And the Infantry arrive - these days - mostly in uncomfortable MICVs, then they get out and walk.

ALL soldiers and Marines do the first few weeks of basic training in exactly the same manner - then they go on to their specialities of advanced and enhanced training. In the beginning, EVERYONE gets beasted, EVERYONE has the worst time it is possible to imagine, and then it gets worse, and EVERYONE is just a quiver away from giving it all up and going home to ma.

Those who don't give up will make it.

Trashing different parts of the Armed Forces of any country by saying that one is better than another, from your standpoint as a civilian - and BTW that's a person who gets in the way of a good fight - is not yet your remit. For you, right now, there is no 'good', or 'better than' until you ARE one of them and wearing the hat - THEN it's fine - nay, compulsory - to trash all the others, but not until then.

tac

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groundshaker

That's school boy talk RMD, p company and the commando course don't actually teach any particular skills that makes those who complete it any more skilled soldiers. In both cases it is simply a test of ones physical and above all, their mental endurance. While yes, the Rm and paras would, as units, perform better on average in physical fitness tests than a regular infantry unit, the fact that it is a requirement to pass such tests in order to be deployed, ensures that when regular units deploy, they are more than ready to face the physical aspect of an oversears tour.


It is naiive, and as tac said, downright disrepectfull for civvis to be making statements about units when thay have absolutely no experience of working with. As Tac said join up, then you've the right to go making such claims

cruasder777

groundshaker wrote: »

That's school boy talk RMD, p company and the commando course don't actually teach any particular skills that makes those who complete it any more skilled soldiers. In both cases it is simply a test of ones physical and above all, their mental endurance. While yes, the Rm and paras would, as units, perform better on average in physical fitness tests than a regular infantry unit, the fact that it is a requirement to pass such tests in order to be deployed, ensures that when regular units deploy, they are more than ready to face the physical aspect of an oversears tour.


It is naiive, and as tac said, downright disrepectfull for civvis to be making statements about units when thay have absolutely no experience of working with. As Tac said join up, then you've the right to go making such claims

" p company and the commando course don't actually teach any particular skills that makes those who complete it any more skilled soldiers. "

.....The extra emphasis on extra fitness for Paras is based on being able to TAB from the drop zone forming up point to the objective, being able to achieve their objective often behind enemy lines and cut off. Without doubt they do map/compass skills and fieldcraft to a higher standard then standard infantry.


The RM Commando course teaches rock and cliff climbing, solo overnight navigation tests, escape and evasion, survival skills, escaping from an underwater helicopter, beach assaults, boat handling skills, unarmed combat.......and other stuff not taught to army infantry during basic training.....Its more like a Special Forces course.

Army infantry dont to dunker training etc during basic training.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eq6p3OgDfw


Army infantry dont to stuff like jumping from one rock to rock, with a 270 ft drop, its one of the tests for mountain leader cadre selection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfUHpYzDhlk&feature=relmfu


The instructor does it with no safety harness. 2 mins. Up to the 1960s RMs had to do it as part of basic training. WW2 commandos did it without a safety harness.

groundshaker

Crusader... yet another man who reads wikipedia and thinks these units can do no wrong and are taught skills that are denied to regular units..

For example you claim the PARAs are taught higher map reading and compass skills than regular soldiers, which is absolutely false. All para NCOs do their promotion courses at the 'household division and paracute regiment centralised courses' HDPRCC at pirbright, which trains together all junior NCOs from the parachute regiment and the 5 guards regiments. Here they are taught and tested on all the skills needed for their approipirate jobs, with a big part of the course focussing on map reading and navigation. Therefore the fact that the paras are taught and tested about these skills working alongside their regular army counterparts, completely shows up your claim for what it is, nonsense.
My intial point was that none of the above skills are taught on P company anyway, the course is simply a beast.

In regards the Rm, there is absolutley no need for regular infantry to be proficient in such skills as it lies completely outside their remit, although I'm sure if needs be they could mount an amphibious assault if they were called apon.
Anyway that's besides the point, on the commando course they are taught pretty much all the same skills as those on the combat infantrymans course, except they have an extra few weeks included so the lads can be prepared for passing all the commando tests, which i add, are all physical challanges

cruasder777

groundshaker wrote: »

Crusader... yet another man who reads wikipedia and thinks these units can do no wrong and are taught skills that are denied to regular units..

For example you claim the PARAs are taught higher map reading and compass skills than regular soldiers, which is absolutely false. All para NCOs do their promotion courses at the 'household division and paracute regiment centralised courses' HDPRCC at pirbright, which trains together all junior NCOs from the parachute regiment and the 5 guards regiments. Here they are taught and tested on all the skills needed for their approipirate jobs, with a big part of the course focussing on map reading and navigation. Therefore the fact that the paras are taught and tested about these skills working alongside their regular army counterparts, completely shows up your claim for what it is, nonsense.
My intial point was that none of the above skills are taught on P company anyway, the course is simply a beast.

In regards the Rm, there is absolutley no need for regular infantry to be proficient in such skills as it lies completely outside their remit, although I'm sure if needs be they could mount an amphibious assault if they were called apon.
Anyway that's besides the point, on the commando course they are taught pretty much all the same skills as those on the combat infantrymans course, except they have an extra few weeks included so the lads can be prepared for passing all the commando tests, which i add, are all physical challanges

Where did I say they could do no wrong ? Im just correcting your ignorance and bs.....I live half the time in Colchester, my mate is an RSM in the Paras, I still drink in the same bars as serving Paras. I served in the 80s.

So you still insist RM commandos do the same standard of basic training as army infantry :rolleyes:

So the army infantry do things like Hunters moon, as solo night navigation exercise with a map/compass ? nor do they learn some of the advanced fieldcraft skills and battledrills RM commandos do.......you are talking through your hole.

https://www.4para.co.uk/downloads/leaflet_2009.pdf

Quote......"you claim the PARAs are taught higher map reading and compass skills than regular soldiers, which is absolutely false"

Weeks 12-28 concentrate on
training you as a Paratrooper and
you will develop advanced skills,
particularly in the areas of weapon
handling, fieldcraft, map reading
and physical training – and
eventually selection for military
parachuting. Your training will
prepare you for the Pre-Parachute
selection tests, conducted during
weeks 20-21.


Its fairly obvious that the British armies spearhead Regiment would perform at a higher tempo and do things to a higher standard then standard infantry units.

Why do you think the role of Special forces support group is given to 1 Para.


From the Paras website .........


Paratroopers rotate through the SFSG during their careers to ensure that advanced military skills, found nowhere else in the infantry, are maintained throughout the 3 Battalions



.......Looks like you have got it wrong yet again. Paras also do advanced battledrills not taught to regular infantry.HDPRCC at pirbright, teaches standard NCO courses, obviously in house Parachute regiment training teaches other more advanced skills as the Paras website says are unique to them.

bwatson

You won't find much in the difference in fitness between a light role infantry battalion and a para battalion about to deploy to Afghanistan. So much of it depends on the demands put on the troops by their Commanding Officer in the training situations too before the tour.

discus

groundshaker wrote: »

That's school boy talk RMD, p company and the commando course don't actually teach any particular skills that makes those who complete it any more skilled soldiers.

That'd be news to me. I'm off to Oakhampton in three weeks for the All Arms CC, and the skills covered range from amphibious assault, to heli entry and cliff climbing.

tac foley wrote:

IF you are good enough........................

tac

I'll be back here sometime before christmas to reqoute this!

discus

cruasder777 wrote: »

Where did I say they could do no wrong ? Im just correcting your ignorance and bs.....I live half the time in Colchester, my mate is an RSM in the Paras, I still drink in the same bars as serving Paras. I served in the 80s.

I hope its the same one I know - his daughter is being banged by a NON AIRBORNE GUNNER MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

tac foley

discus wrote: »

That'd be news to me. I'm off to Oakhampton in three weeks for the All Arms CC, and the skills covered range from amphibious assault, to heli entry and cliff climbing.

I'll be back here sometime before christmas to reqoute this!

Uh, not sure where YOU are coming from - my post was intended for the person for who it was intended.

If you are already serving and about to go to Oakhampton, then I wish you the very best of luck.

Again, if you think my post was aimed at you personally, please fill your boots - it is STILL a valid comment to have made.

tac

PS - take LOTS of foot care stuff, particularly socks NOT with ANY nylon content, foot powder and blister treatments.

discus

Hah, I wasn't taking offence to it... I just guess that if (when?) I get the green lid, I'll be telling all and sundry!

tac foley

discus wrote: »

Hah, I wasn't taking offence to it... I just guess that if (when?) I get the green lid, I'll be telling all and sundry!

Hah!

Loads of luck, bro!

tac - 1967 - 2000 - no reserve time

OS119

discus wrote: »

Hah, I wasn't taking offence to it... I just guess that if (when?) I get the green lid, I'll be telling all and sundry!

after all the time i spent going on about how much i wanted mine - and disappearing at weekends to run around the Southern Uplands - my wife made me shag her while wearing it...

its a brilliant, brilliant Regiment - i hope you give it everything and get there, because you'll enjoy it like nothing else you've done so far.

discus

What battery did you go to after the AACC? pm me if you don't wanna make it public!

OS119

discus wrote: »

What battery did you go to after the AACC? pm me if you don't wanna make it public!

PM on the way...

i've never heard anything bad about any of the Batteries or roles within the Regiment, so i'd not really have any favourites or 'ffs, don't go there!' comments.

for me its the ethos thats the big deal - theres no one there who doesn't want to be there, or who'se thinking 'this isn't what i signed up for'. i also liked the fact that unlike in another specialist brigade with an RA regiment attached - and i'm not going to name 16X as the guilty party - at no point did i ever feel that the RM's considered us 'baggage'.