Stored MK3'S

Oscar Bravo

Anybody got any up to date photos of the stored Mk3's at Waterford,Northwall or Dundalk?

JeffK88

No pictures of them but a few of them have smashed windows and are basically rotten away up at Dundalk.

Millem

I will be down in the point direction this week - afaik there are 3 or 4 rakes of mixed push pull and standard mkiii stock there. Seems that sooner or later IR will get the cutter's torch out - shame really.

I know it's been trodden out but pp sets 6101-6105 should really have been kept if nothing else; they're not dissimilar to what the 'high capacity ICR' setup. Anyhow what's done is done?

Does anyone know the status of dvt cars 6101-6105? From what I can remember 6105 was earmarked for moyasta but hasn't been any news of late. Think shes in amongst the batch at north wall. Last I heard 6101 was in inchicore, having been towed back on a wheelskate at 20mph from athlone. Think 6103 has had all her windows smashed & may have been cut up already, not sure of trailers 2 & 4.

V unlikely but would love a run again in a MKiii pp... Will it ever happen?

Captain Chaos

There is 6 rakes at North wall at last count a few months back, 2 at Dundalk and 1 at Waterford. There are still a few Mk3s in Inchicore.

1 rake was cut up at Waterford a long time ago now and the ones in Dundalk are are in a right state, can't see them being moved ever again. Scrap on site job by the looks of things.

Trying to get a rough number at North Wall from this pic taken in April. Some nice shunting and 3 071s in one place.
http://transportsceneireland.smugmug.com/RailSceneIreland/RSI-April-2012/22213156_dknbG9#!i=1789738756&k=K84SRMP

end of the road

only a matter of time before they head to the gas torch and breakers yard i'd say. sad for such great carriges. still IE have got their shiny new trains now, how long before some of them will end up in (storage)

Run_to_da_hills

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

Anybody got any up to date photos of the stored Mk3's at Waterford,Northwall or Dundalk?

Give them a couple more years and they will all be all like our old friend in Inchicore.

Itssoeasy

I dont understand IR letting 60 carriages(there or there abouts) just sit rusting away in various locations on the system. I mean could one rake not be given to the RPSI and kept in inchicore ? Then at least that set would be safe and could be used for railrtours and the like.

I mean cie/IR kept locos in service for near on fifty years(001/141/181s) but rolling stock appear to not to be held by the same rational. Anyway that's my rant over.

Mycroft H

Sheer waste to seem them rotting away. They are worth nothing on the accountants books at this stage so why look after them.

Only 6101 and 6105 remain. The other three control cars were scrapped.

I have this list. It's outdated (anything in Heuston is now in North Wall) but should still be of some use.

Inchicore: 6101, 6307, 7125, 7133, 7136, 7138, 7139, 7145, 7151, 7161, 7162, 7164, 7409, 7609, 7610.

Heuston: 6105, 6402, 7106, 7114, 7116, 7122, 7123, 7130, 7137, 7142, 7147, 7158, 7166, 7169, 7406, 7412, 7413.

Dundalk: 6301, 6305, 6306, 6308, 6313, 7101, 7131, 7141, 7153, 7154, 7156, 7159, 7170, 7401, 7601, 7612.

Waterford: 7108, 7110, 7117, 7124, 7126, 7127, 7152, 7155, 7165, 7167, 7403, 7606, 7607, 7611.

North Wall: 7102, 7103, 7104, 7109, 7113, 7115, 7120, 7121, 7128, 7129, 7132, 7140, 7143, 7144, 7146, 7149, 7150, 7157, 7160, 7163, 7168, 7171, 7172, 7404, 7407, 7408, 7411, 7602, 7603, 7614, 7615.

The following have been scrapped: 6102, 6103, 6104, 6302, 6303, 6304, 6309, 6310, 6311, 6312, 6314, 6315, 6316, 6317, 6318, 6319, 7105, 7107, 7111, 7112, 7118, 7119, 7134, 7135, 7148, 7402, 7405, 7410 (total scrapped: 28).

Note: 7111 was scrapped in 1997, after being destroyed by fire at Inchicore Works in 1997.

River Song

Was in Dundalk a few weeks back, got these photos:

Cookie_Monster

such a waste, heads should roll in CIE for the farce surrounding these carraiges but nothing will ever happen and they'll be quietly disposed of without anyone saying anything :mad:

dowlingm

Never understood why 3 out of 5 CCs got scrapped so quickly. Did they have CAWS or other equipment IE wanted to get for spares?

Millem

BX 19 wrote: »

Sheer waste to seem them rotting away. They are worth nothing on the accountants books at this stage so why look after them.

I was and am a big fan of the MK3s but can understand the company's position with regard to the fleet. The govt came along and offered a big wad of cash for the ICRs and IR jumped at it. The associated savings of running ICRs vs MK3 are quite compelling. As ICRs can be single person operated the company has saved a fortune on payroll (has shed 1/3 of staff since 2000) in addition to arguably saving on fuel and benefitting from a standard fleet there is increased flexibility through split / join operations. It seems the 3s had been depreciated to zero anyway.

I still feel disgusted that such a decent fleet is rotting away with the likelihood of never running again but the ICRs (capital acquisition cost apart) have saved a fortune from an operational point of view.

L1011

dowlingm wrote: »

Never understood why 3 out of 5 CCs got scrapped so quickly. Did they have CAWS or other equipment IE wanted to get for spares?

At least one of them was, apparently, built on an LHB DART chassis, so they may have wanted to retrieve that.

Jamie2k9

All I can say is the sets in the prictures are looking in good condition. The sets in Waterford are rushing by the day and most of the windows in the doors are open and they are in a bad way.

kc56

dowlingm wrote: »

Never understood why 3 out of 5 CCs got scrapped so quickly. Did they have CAWS or other equipment IE wanted to get for spares?

Given that they operated on the Northern line and out of Heuston to Waterford, Portlaoise and Athlone, it's likely that all 5 had CAWS.

There was talk that the front bogies came from a DART, as did the horns, and that limited max speed to 70mph at least in push mode.

Remember the PP sets did not have air conditioning; it was removed from the original Mk3 coaches to save power so they installed openable windows instead. In the DVT, the A/C unit was replaced with a noisy generator.

kc56

kc56 wrote: »

Given that they operated on the Northern line and out of Heuston to Waterford, Portlaoise and Athlone, it's likely that all 5 had CAWS.

There was talk that the front bogies came from a DART, as did the horns, and that limited max speed to 70mph at least in push mode.

Remember the PP sets did not have air conditioning; it was removed from the original Mk3 coaches to save power so they installed openable windows instead. In the DVT, the A/C unit was replaced with a noisy generator.

They certainly did have CAWS - the ADU was built into the cab console to the left of the speedometer.

I'm not sure what vehicles had LHB bogies but I think it was just the control cars as the push-pull coaches could operate at 100mph if consisted with a standard gen van as opposed to the control car. This was sometimes done on Westport services in later years and was known as a hauled push-pull.

kc56

Karsini wrote: »

They certainly did have CAWS - the ADU was built into the cab console to the left of the speedometer.

I'm not sure what vehicles had LHB bogies but I think it was just the control cars as the push-pull coaches could operate at 100mph if consisted with a standard gen van as opposed to the control car. This was sometimes done on Westport services in later years and was known as a hauled push-pull.

I believe the front bogies on the control cars had the LHB bogies but no idea why this was done (maybe for the CAWS pickups??). All the other coaches were slightly modified MkIIIs and could be hauled at 100mph.

dowlingm

There's an IRN article from 2005 which says the LHB bogies on 3/5 sets were replaced with BT10 bogies. The sets therefore went from 70mph to 90mph towed/70mph leading, same as the two BT22 equipped sets.

I wonder if the leading restriction was an issue with crashworthiness - Amtrak have similar restrictions when an NPCU (DVT) is leading, even something like a de-engined F40, rather than a loco.

dowlingm

dowlingm wrote: »

There's an IRN article from 2005 which says the LHB bogies on 3/5 sets were replaced with BT10 bogies. The sets therefore went from 70mph to 90mph towed/70mph leading, same as the two BT22 equipped sets.

I wonder if the leading restriction was an issue with crashworthiness - Amtrak have similar restrictions when an NPCU (DVT) is leading, even something like a de-engined F40, rather than a loco.

I've heard a lot of conflicting information about this. Someone told me before that the speed limit was 70mph once a 6100 vehicle was in the consist, regardless of whether it was being hauled or propelled. However that IRRS article seems to suggest that they could indeed be hauled at 90.

SeanW

About those generators, wasn't there a plan to use the MK3 generator vans to power the DeDietrich "Enterprise" trainsets? What ever happened to that?

Cookie_Monster

SeanW wrote: »

About those generators, wasn't there a plan to use the MK3 generator vans to power the DeDietrich "Enterprise" trainsets? What ever happened to that?

I heard somewhere (can't remember which forum) that they've been trialling them again recently.

Cookie_Monster

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I heard somewhere (can't remember which forum) that they've been trialling them again recently.

Here ya go:

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/22937840_8VgjnX#!i=1862312187&k=Jznz5Jh&lb=1&s=A

This was taken a week ago.

Niles

kc56 wrote: »

I believe the front bogies on the control cars had the LHB bogies but no idea why this was done (maybe for the CAWS pickups??). All the other coaches were slightly modified MkIIIs and could be hauled at 100mph.

IIRC the ones with LHB bogies were rebogied with BT10s (ex-BR) sometime in the last decade. It was only a few of the control cars that had them I think.

dowlingm

Amazing what can be done with Mark 3s if you have the will to do it and the need for stock.

101sean

They removed the slam doors and fitted powered plug doors, much wider doors and vestibules than the Irish ones though.

Goes to show what a forward thinking operator can achieve :rolleyes: