Discipline AFL vs GAA

DDC1990

http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/451849/invoke/Default.aspx

As seen here, the AFL have a vastly different way of dealing with issues that happen on the field then we do in the GAA. The committee come together, look at the video evidence, decide on a charge based on a number of factors, contact, intent and the area of impact. They decide on a suitable punishment, some players are fined (wouldn’t work in an amateur game I know), others are given bans which can be reduced by an immediate guilty plea.

The head of the committee then goes on Television, and discusses each of the issues in detail outlining why they have charged the player, and how severe the charge is. Its transparent, the players, team managements and supporters all know why the player has been suspended, and the reasons for a specific length of ban.

Also players with a long disciplinary record waive their right to a match reduction, on account of repeated infractions (it seems in Jetta’s case anyway). The system of reducing the ban by a match would help to dissuade County Boards from appealing every decision.
In my opinion this is an excellent method of discipline. Could it be implemented in the GAA? Should it be implemented in the GAA?

What are the Advantages or Disadvantages you see with a system like this? Surely anything is a step up from the CCCCCCC boys making decisions, without explaining them fully, or Frank Murphy managing to help players out of suspensions because of loopholes.

bruschi

something I had mentioned on here before too.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056136460

bruschi wrote: »

agree with your point in principle. there are far too many diciplinary boards, and players take it to every level possible. the diciplinary system for aussie rules is a great model to work off, and I cant see why the GAA havent brought in something similar.



for those who dont know it, the basic concept is as follows:



1. game played. Players are reported by referees if something happens.

2. diciplinary board meets on monday morning and takes referees reports and looks at incidents not reported. the level of offence is categorised by its seriousness. so a head butt say is serious, and a scuffle is minor. there is automatic points handed to the player. so 100 points is a 1 game suspension, 200 is 2 game etc.

3. the players previous record is taken into account. if they have a clean slate, they get a percentage reduction, but their points total is carried forward and stays on record, so it will be added to further indiscretions.

4. the player is notified, and has the option to appeal. If they appeal, the case is looked at again.

5. Appeal process happens on a wednesday or thursday. If the player succeeds in his appeal, the appropriate reduction takes place. If he is unsuccesful, his suspension is increased. This is the main point, is it worth appealing. In GAA every player appeasl regardless of obvious guilt.

6. once the appeal board is finished, that is it. the player takes the punishment.



the one thing I hate about GAA is that you can get as many yellow cards as you want. you can act like a right pr!ck throughout games and get away with it. the problem with replacing 2 yellows with another player is if you have a good corner forward, and the back is fouling him all game long, then a sub can come on for him and keep doing the same. it encourages negativity.



also, the point about abusing refs and officials is horrible. it should not happen, and there is no excuse for it.

Barlett

Why can't they just introduce a system the very same as soccer where an accumulation of yellow cards leads to automatic suspension...I'm sick of seeing players blatantly taken out of it because the offending players will just get a yellow card which means feck all to be honest.

keane2097

Accumulations of yellow cards is the most stupid aspect of the soccer disciplinary process IMO.

You commit a serious foul against five separate teams, against whom you're punished in more or less no way, before a sixth team uninvolved in any of those incidents gets an unearned advantage (in a league system this amounts to an advantage over the teams at the receiving end of the fouls which earned the yellow cards) by having you sit out the game against them.

It's bizarre.

bruschi

keane2097 wrote: »

Accumulations of yellow cards is the most stupid aspect of the soccer disciplinary process IMO.

You commit a serious foul against five separate teams, against whom you're punished in more or less no way, before a sixth team uninvolved in any of those incidents gets an unearned advantage (in a league system this amounts to an advantage over the teams at the receiving end of the fouls which earned the yellow cards) by having you sit out the game against them.

It's bizarre.

not sure I agree with that. If players know there are recriminations for persistant fouling, and that they will be supsended if they keep making 'profesional' fouls, then that surely would contribute to reducing yellow card fouls in games. As it stands, players can go out, and keep fouling in every game, safe in the knowledge that will not be suspended and they can keep doing it.

One other aspect of refereeing or dicipline I would like to see tweaked would be the 'profesional' foul as the game enters the closing stages. How often does it happen that a team is on the break, and a player rugby tackles his opponent and stops them breaking. What kills it further is the referee doesnt allow a quick free, he has to stop the game for 30 to 60 seconds to yellow card the offender, who again is happy to take the card, as it means the whole team can re group and defend now from deep and stop their opposition who were attacking much more easily. If such a tackle occurs, and the team wants to play on, let them. Have the referee raise his hand or make some such reference, and when the ball goes dead out of play, go book the player. A team who is fouled is supposed to get an advantage by receiving a free. It has now gone that in many cases, it is the team who fouls are getting the advantage.

keane2097

The team that is fouled against is the team that should be advantaged by punishing the fouler, I think that's as obvious as the day is long.

In any case, most problems with on-field discipline in football would be fixed by putting together a range of offences for which the punishment is a 14 yard free from straight in front of the goals, regardless of where the offences occur. These should probably include all yellow card offences, and should certainly include blocking runners off the ball, slowing free kicks being taken and abusing referees.

Barlett

I think that's a fair point you raise about soccer...but it does succeed in punishing the offender at least...and their system while flawed is quite simple and vastly superior to the one currently in place in GAA, what I'm getting at is their whole system, match bans rather week bans much more simple and makes far more sense than what the GAA currently has in place.

premierstone

Have to agree with Keane here and also another drawback to the accumalation of yellow cards would be the structure of our championship, you would be punishing a team that had a harder route to the latter stages, both in terms of quantity of matches and quality.

bruschi

keane2097 wrote: »

The team that is fouled against is the team that should be advantaged by punishing the fouler, I think that's as obvious as the day is long.

In any case, most problems with on-field discipline in football would be fixed by putting together a range of offences for which the punishment is a 14 yard free from straight in front of the goals, regardless of where the offences occur. These should probably include all yellow card offences, and should certainly include blocking runners off the ball, slowing free kicks being taken and abusing referees.

the bringing the ball 13m is a complete waste of time as it is at the moment. a player can foul out around the forward line, and stand in front and stop the ball from being played, and it just gets brought up a little bit closer to midfield, but the action has delayed the fouled team getting an advantage. In AFL any indiscretions like that, the ball is brought up 50m, similar enough to what you propose above.

premierstone wrote: »

Have to agree with Keane here and also another drawback to the accumalation of yellow cards would be the structure of our championship, you would be punishing a team that had a harder route to the latter stages, both in terms of quantity of matches and quality.

thats a fair point actually, suspensions probably wouldnt kick in until 1/4 stage onwards, which is not where you want to see players missing out on. not sure what the solution is, but its a load of cack where it is at the moment.

I just hate seeing all this negativity in slowing down play. And it only gets worse in the last ten minutes. I'd love to see stats on teams who get yellow cards, and how many of the winning team gets them in the last 10 minutes of the game. The Kildare/Donegal game last year was a case in point, Kildare 3 points up in ET and pretty much just played rugby to finish it out. They were only just about caught too, and it came from a free they conceded on the opposition 21, and they still tried foul as Donegal moved down the field. Only the ball staying in play kept the move alive for Donegal.