.223

chrisdolan11

hi lads im looking at getting a new .223 rifle and im just looking for some help. whats a good quality make to get and scope on a budget of say 2500 euros for rifle and scope any past experience or advide greatly appreciated thanks

Vegeta

What's your intended usage?

Lamping at night with a light weight and well handling set up

Or

Varmint style shooting at bunnies, grey crows etc with a heavier rifle and higher magnification scope.

Your budget will allow for a really good set-up so I'd have a good think about what you will mostly use it for. People can make better suggestions if you are more specific.

kildare.17hmr

Cracker of a hyem, full set up in for sale section for that kind of money, well worth a look imo

chrisdolan11

sorry intended use is for long range shooting at bunnies greys etc dont do much lamping. seen the one in for sale section just not sure how buying it would work with licence etc .

kildare.17hmr

You beed to buy the gun and get the details from the current owner then apply for a licence. Once you are granted this you can then pick up your rifle.

Have you done much shooting?

Edit. Just saw your using a 17 atm. 223 does sound like it will suit ya. Im using 55gr hornady softpoints and the are very accurate and €40 for 50 rounds is great. Shot a few rabbits the other day at about 250 yards with a strong breeze and no bother with the wind

cushcam

with that kind of budget you can have pretty much any top of the range rifle and still have money left over for a nice scope, mounts, sling, bipod etc.

Mike87

Im sure this answer isnt going to be the most popular.... but what the hell.

Your hunting. You dont need a super accurate precision weapon. Leave that for the target shooters.

Your a hunter. The aim of the game is stalk the prey and get close to it.

With that being said, if I was you, Id go and get a "middle of the road" gun and a "middle of the road" scope and then Id put the rest of that money into bullets and get good at shooting.

Seriously "middle of the road" is far more than enough for any hunter.

I know too many brahs who insist on spending thousands on getting a top of the line rifle and top of the line scope and then they cant justify spending another few hundred euro on bullets every couple of months to go out shooting with the damn thing.

Trust me fam, buy yourself a middle of the road rifle and a sh1t ton of bullets and get out and get shooting and get practicing. You'll be happier in the end.

German pointer

Mike87 wrote: »

Im sure this answer isnt going to be the most popular.... but what the hell.

Your hunting. You dont need a super accurate precision weapon. Leave that for the target shooters.

Your a hunter. The aim of the game is stalk the prey and get close to it.

With that being said, if I was you, Id go and get a "middle of the road" gun and a "middle of the road" scope and then Id put the rest of that money into bullets and get good at shooting.

Seriously "middle of the road" is far more than enough for any hunter.

I know too many brahs who insist on spending thousands on getting a top of the line rifle and top of the line scope and then they cant justify spending another few hundred euro on bullets every couple of months to go out shooting with the damn thing.

Trust me fam, buy yourself a middle of the road rifle and a sh1t ton of bullets and get out and get shooting and get practicing. You'll be happier in the end.

Good advice there.
I bought a middle of the road rifle (Remmy 700)and scope (Burris Fullfieldii) last year for shooting deer. I dropped 12 of the them in my first year from 30 yards to 238yards (rangefinder and a helpful farmer who phoned when the deer were in his fields).

Don't need top of the range for hunting. Ask yourself what distance is your furthest quarry going to be and add on bit for good measure, buy gun and scope to suit.


Then buy as much ammo as your licence will allow and keep topping up to the max.:D:D:D:D

chrisdolan11

i just always go by the moto buy once . penny wise pound foolish. for greys out to 300 yards whats a good scope .

Mike87

chrisdolan11 wrote: »

i just always go by the moto buy once . penny wise pound foolish. for greys out to 300 yards whats a good scope .

Mind=blown

Middle of the road doesnt mean bad quality srs.

If we were talking cars here, you wanting to go for a top of the line rifle for some long range bunnies and a few foxes is like going out and buying a ferarri so you can take the kids to to school and then justifing it by saying you like to buy once.

But its up to you what you want to buy.


A good scope.

If you want to buy the best. Id probably be looking at the Schmidth & Bender Varmint 4-16x50 That is one helluva scope. Nothing will escape it. THen again it will set you back about €1600.

If you want to go middle of the road then I know a lot of brahs who have an el cheapo £300 (pound sterling) hawke sidewinder scope and they could most definitely hit crows at 300 yards.... if it were legal that is.

I had a leupold VX I think I paid about €450 and I took 2 rabbits side by side at 386 yards with no problems.



EDIT:

(Heres the S&B)
http://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/products/hunting/klassik-4-16x50-varmint.html

(Heres the Hawke)
http://www.hawkeoptics.com/rifle-scopes/sidewinder-30.html

garv123

Mike87 wrote: »

Mind=blown



If you want to go middle of the road then I know a lot of brahs who have an el cheapo £300 (pound sterling) hawke sidewinder scope and they could most definitely hit crows at 300 yards.... if it were legal that is.

What do you mean if it were legal?
I do agree with you on your points though, since it wont be for deer stalking you and you dont do much lamping i think you would be crazy to splash out serious money on a top end scope like s&b or zeiss.
A lot of people on here highly rate the higher end hawke and bunshell scopes and they would provide plenty mag and clarity for the shooting you want.

Also , there's some nice tikka's floating around for sale, there's 2 in the for sale/wanted section.

Mike87

garv123 wrote: »

What do you mean if it were legal?

notsureifsrs

You cant shoot birds with a rifle in Ireland.

garv123

Mike87 wrote: »

notsureifsrs

You cant shoot birds with a rifle in Ireland.

Yeah you can, under derogation.

Mike87

garv123 wrote: »

Yeah you can, under derogation.

No mate, you cant. Derogation is just for when they're not in season. Still need a shotgun to shoot them though.

garv123

Mike87 wrote: »

No mate, you cant. Derogation is just for when they're not in season. Still need a shotgun to shoot them though.

Wrong, been asked here many a time and all the answers are the same.

http://www.npws.ie/media/npws/publications/legaldocs/Declaration%20for%20Munster%20Sept%202011.pdf

#wayofftopic.

oops this isn't twitter or facebook.

kildare.17hmr

Mike87 wrote: »

garv123 wrote: »

Yeah you can, under derogation.

No mate, you cant. Derogation is just for when they're not in season. Still need a shotgun to shoot them though.

Yes you can

Mike87

garv123 wrote: »

Wrong, been asked here many a time and all the answers are the same.

http://www.npws.ie/media/npws/publications/legaldocs/Declaration%20for%20Munster%20Sept%202011.pdf

#wayofftopic.

oops this isn't twitter or facebook.

Link didnt work...

Ive a letter here from Des Crofton saying its off limits.

garv123

Mike87 wrote: »

Link didnt work...

Ive a letter here from Des Crofton saying its off limits.

http://www.npws.ie/legislationandconventions/irishlaw/eubirdsdirectivederogations/

Its on the NPWS site
its re-dated every season

Mike87

garv123 wrote: »

http://www.npws.ie/legislationandconventions/irishlaw/eubirdsdirectivederogations/

Its on the NPWS site

Im not typing the letter out brah, but Des Crofton has said that the minister and NPWS are wrong and that he will be contacting the NPWS about this. The new declarations by the MInister contradict whats written in the earlier Act. And the earlier act takes precedence.

garv123

Mike87 wrote: »

Im not typing the letter out brah, but Des Crofton has said that the minister and NPWS are wrong and that he will be contacting the NPWS about this. The new declarations by the MInister contradict whats written in the earlier Act. And the earlier act takes precedence.

Start a new thread to prove everyone else wrong if you wish.

Vegeta

Mike87 wrote: »

Im not typing the letter out brah, but Des Crofton has said that the minister and NPWS are wrong and that he will be contacting the NPWS about this. The new declarations by the MInister contradict whats written in the earlier Act. And the earlier act takes precedence.

Yeah Mike I can safely say that you're just 100% flat out wrong here.

Mike87

garv123 wrote: »

Start a new thread to prove everyone else wrong if you wish.

I dont know enough about laws and stuff to go and do that fam.... if the big man says dont shoot them, then I dont shoot them. srs.

4200fps

chrisdolan11 wrote: »

hi lads im looking at getting a new .223 rifle and im just looking for some help. whats a good quality make to get and scope on a budget of say 2500 euros for rifle and scope any past experience or advide greatly appreciated thanks

Good quality be Sako,Tikka,Remington and CZ. There's others of coarse. Beretta391 is selling a Remington LVSF for nothing and its a rare model and VERY accurate!

kildare.17hmr

Mike87 wrote: »

Im not typing the letter out brah, but Des Crofton has said that the minister and NPWS are wrong and that he will be contacting the NPWS about this. The new declarations by the MInister contradict whats written in the earlier Act. And the earlier act takes precedence.

ill go with the minister on this one!

deeksofdoom

What kind of jive ass crap is brah, fam and srs?:rolleyes:

German pointer

German pointer wrote: »

Good advice there.
I bought a middle of the road rifle (Remmy 700)and scope (Burris Fullfieldii) last year for shooting deer. I dropped 12 of the them in my first year from 30 yards to 238yards (rangefinder and a helpful farmer who phoned when the deer were in his fields).

Don't need top of the range for hunting. Ask yourself what distance is your furthest quarry going to be and add on bit for good measure, buy gun and scope to suit.


Then buy as much ammo as your licence will allow and keep topping up to the max.:D:D:D:D

My middle of the road rifle is an Remmington SPS 700 Cost €750 new.
My scope is a Burris Fulfield ii 4.5-14 x 42 cost €450 new.
My Harris bipod 9-13 swivle cost €120 new
My sling cost €20 new

That's it I am set up. I expect these to last me a lifetime and they will allow me to shoot the target size and distances you require.
This is a middle of the road setup at a good price and should see me out till the end of my shoting days.
To me this is buying once and buying right without going over the top on high end models that I dont need to do a decent days shooting.

But at the end of the day it is your money to do as you please, just trying to show that you don't need to spend money on top of the range modles when mid range will do fine.

Just remember one more thing, you will be dragging it into and out of wet fields, bushes, ditches and so on do you really want to spend big money on something that is going to be doing that it's whole hunting life?
Best of luck with whatever you chose;)

Mike87

deeksofdoom wrote: »

What kind of jive ass crap is brah, fam and srs?:rolleyes:

Not a single f**k is given...

Vizzy

You tell em !!!



Or else pop a cap in his ass

Mike87

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chrisdolan11

thanks for all the replys and confusion. SO TO CLEAR UP CAN I LEGALLY KILL VERMAIN LIKE SAY GREY CROWS WITH A RIFLE IN IRELAND??
i take the point on board about spending big bucks and will defo take it on board does seem bit of overkill. My way of thinking was down the line who knows what ill be shooting and would be handy to have i guess. Maybe looking at fieldsports britain.tv too much!!!!

deeksofdoom

Vizzy wrote: »

You tell em !!!



Or else pop a cap in his ass

Hope its not a .223, coz I'm not under derogation, brah, fam, srs.

Remmie 223

Good value in 223 ammo
http://www.corribtackle.com/details.asp?id=2802&pid=397&sizeoption=1&show=True

cushcam

Remmie 223 wrote: »

Good value in 223 ammo
http://www.corribtackle.com/details.asp?id=2802&pid=397&sizeoption=1&show=True

that's a great deal on my rifle's favourite ammo, thanks for the link. I may have to buy a box, or seven!!

kildare.17hmr

Reckon if you bought 10 ya would get them for a ton or a little more. I wouldnt bother tho when ya can get 100 hornady rounds for €80 and my rifle loves them!

Remmie 223

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Reckon if you bought 10 ya would get them for a ton or a little more. I wouldnt bother tho when ya can get 100 hornady rounds for €80 and my rifle loves them!

Where might you be getting them for that price? I have paid €28:eek: for a box

Constab2

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Reckon if you bought 10 ya would get them for a ton or a little more. I wouldnt bother tho when ya can get 100 hornady rounds for €80 and my rifle loves them!

Where you getting Hornandy Rds for €80 x 100,sounds a good deal there.Sorry about off topic OP.

kildare.17hmr

Paul o halloran in drangan (052) 915 2112. Box of 50 rounds of 55gr soft point for €40, great on foxes and i used them on a goat 2 weeks ago with great results.

deeksofdoom

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Paul o halloran in drangan (052) 915 2112. Box of 50 rounds of 55gr soft point for €40, great on foxes and i used them on a goat 2 weeks ago with great results.

Are the Hornady?

kildare.17hmr

Yup

deeksofdoom

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Yup

How do they compare to the 55 grain v-max?

TriggerPL

god has this post gone off topic , 2500euro to spend id buy something like a tikka or sako, even a styr second hand or new depending on the model and id spend the rest on a gud scope and mounts . something in a zeiss would be my preference , S&B , or swar .

styr are doing the prohunter for 1200 euro new , if ya bargain with a dealer you get it less , try lakelandshooting centre , nial would build ya a setup, to suit you needs ands budget .

FISMA

chrisdolan11 wrote: »

hi lads im looking at getting a new .223 rifle and im just looking for some help. whats a good quality make to get and scope on a budget of say 2500 euros for rifle and scope any past experience or advide greatly appreciated thanks

chrisdolan,
I'm in the states and own more than one long gun. Most of my shooting is for deer and targets inside of 300 ya. For large sized targets like deer, all you need is a fixed 4x. However, with the cost of today's scopes, the 3-9x40mm's are a great choice.

The most glass you'll get for your money is, in my opinion, the Burris Fullfield II. I have several of them here and at home. For small targets at distance, I would go with something like this.

Nikon also makes a great scope like the Prostaff.

There are also some great deals out there on Sightron scopes. I picked up one in 3-9x40mm for a nice price.

One of the reasons that I like the Burris and Nikon scopes are because of their reticles. Make sure you know which reticle you like and how you're likely to use it.

I'm looking for a long range scope and I think this one just might be it.