Vote for Sinn Fein's Slacker Revolution

10000maniacs

The manifesto
The Shinners premise is simple. Target the people who think this country owes them a living, i.e. the people living in council housing and living off the social welfare.
These are the people who have nothing to lose if Ireland fail to get loans on the International money markets after the NO vote is passed. They will still have their social welfare and council house.
They have no savings so won't be affected if the banks go belly up.
The sad thing is its a strategy that seems to be working. Once they have the country ruined and are in power they will be able to shape the Republic in its own image, because the opposition will have been wiped out.

Fromthetrees

10000maniacs wrote: »

The manifesto
The Shinners premise is simple. Target the people who think this country owes them a living, i.e. the people living in council housing and living off the social welfare.
These are the people who have nothing to lose if Ireland fail to get loans on the International money markets after the NO vote is passed. They will still have their social welfare and council house.
They have no savings so won't be affected if the banks go belly up.
The sad thing is its a strategy that seems to be working. Once they have the country ruined and are in power they will be able to shape the Republic in its own image, because the opposition will have been wiped out.

Haven't Sinn Fein just picked up what Labour have lost, centre left votes going to a left party, seeing as Labour are in government it makes sense to lose them to Sinn Fein.
I would contend that people on social welfare living in a council house with low or no education qualification have the most to lose if Ireland goes belly up. People employed in the private sector are actually in the least worst position if Ireland defaults or leaves the Euro. Everybody who relies on the state to feed their bellies have the most to lose.
Don't worry, Sinn Fein won't be in government for at least a generation, Fianna Fail will be in power sooner.

seamus

Fromthetrees wrote: »

I would contend that people on social welfare living in a council house with low or no education qualification have the most to lose if Ireland goes belly up.

Absolutely, but on the flipside of the coin it's those with the least education who have the least understanding of this fact.

Working class areas are typically more nationalist then other areas with poorer understanding of economics and international politics. These are the three things which Sinn Fein aggressively targets, and they have always performed strongly in these areas by focussing on manifestos which detail the importance of Irishness, getting more money out of the gubberment, making the "rich man" pay more, and opposing all forms of EU integration. SF's policies have never been about the best interests of anyone but SF. Their policies lack foresight and realism.

They are getting more support from socialist idealists - middle class recent college students who have no particular historical allegiance to FF/FG - and people who think that SF can't possibly do any worse than recent governments.

This can only be a good thing in the long-term IMO, as the range of political ideas on display in the Dáil has been very bland for 50 years or more. Even though SF would be disastrous in power, I don't see the harm in having an ultra-socialist voice to conflict with the traditional centre-leftist attitude in the Dail. Even a stopped clock, etc.

Dubhlinner

seamus wrote: »

Absolutely, but on the flipside of the coin it's those with the least education who have the least understanding of this fact.

Working class areas are typically more nationalist then other areas with poorer understanding of economics and international politics. These are the three things which Sinn Fein aggressively targets, and they have always performed strongly in these areas by focussing on manifestos which detail the importance of Irishness, getting more money out of the gubberment, making the "rich man" pay more, and opposing all forms of EU integration. SF's policies have never been about the best interests of anyone but SF. Their policies lack foresight and realism.

They are getting more support from socialist idealists - middle class recent college students who have no particular historical allegiance to FF/FG - and people who think that SF can't possibly do any worse than recent governments.

This can only be a good thing in the long-term IMO, as the range of political ideas on display in the Dáil has been very bland for 50 years or more. Even though SF would be disastrous in power, I don't see the harm in having an ultra-socialist voice to conflict with the traditional centre-leftist attitude in the Dail. Even a stopped clock, etc.

Ultra socialist? really?

must be the only ultra socialists in the world who want corporation tax kept low so.

Theyre a whisker left of labour at worst. They're a pro capitalism party, just compare their policies on their website to that of the socialist party and you'll see the difference

FWIW I completely agree with your first two paragraphs

Godge

Dubhlinner wrote: »

Ultra socialist? really?

must be the only ultra socialists in the world who want corporation tax kept low so.

Theyre a whisker left of labour at worst. They're a pro capitalism party, just compare their policies on their website to that of the socialist party and you'll see the difference

FWIW I completely agree with your first two paragraphs

The socialist party left-wing, lol!!

A party which opposes a wealth tax* cannot be deemed socialist!!

Not to talk about their opposition to making rich people with sprinklers and swimming pools pay more for their water.

If I were to sum up the socialist party's politics, I would describe it as populist but stupid.


*A wealth tax includes a charge only levied on those who own property and where those renting or in local authority housing are exempt.

NoAnimalID

10000maniacs wrote: »

The manifesto
The Shinners premise is simple. Target the people who think this country owes them a living, i.e. the people living in council housing and living off the social welfare.
These are the people who have nothing to lose if Ireland fail to get loans on the International money markets after the NO vote is passed. They will still have their social welfare and council house.
They have no savings so won't be affected if the banks go belly up.
The sad thing is its a strategy that seems to be working. Once they have the country ruined and are in power they will be able to shape the Republic in its own image, because the opposition will have been wiped out.

No money for public heath care or education, but billions in public funds will be used to save a private bank!

Got to love corporate socialism!

fianna saor

10000maniacs wrote: »

The manifesto
The Shinners premise is simple. Target the people who think this country owes them a living, i.e. the people living in council housing and living off the social welfare.
These are the people who have nothing to lose if Ireland fail to get loans on the International money markets after the NO vote is passed. They will still have their social welfare and council house.
They have no savings so won't be affected if the banks go belly up.
The sad thing is its a strategy that seems to be working. Once they have the country ruined and are in power they will be able to shape the Republic in its own image, because the opposition will have been wiped out.

woah!! spot the snobbery..... not all people living in council housing are on social welfare and vice versa.

Biffo The Bare

fianna saor wrote: »

woah!! spot the snobbery..... not all people living in council housing are on social welfare and vice versa.

I do not think the O/P is driven by snobbery. It is a very astute observation actually. I hope he/she is not right. By the way, I love the "Slacker Revolution" comment.

fianna saor

Biffo The Bare wrote: »

I do not think the O/P is driven by snobbery. It is a very astute observation actually. I hope he/she is not right. By the way, I love the "Slacker Revolution" comment.

seriously?? :eek: even the assumptions alone.. 1) people living in council houses are on social welfare. 2) the opposite,people on social welfare live in a council house. 3) they have no savings. 4) they think the country owes them a living.

if that not snobbery i dont know what is

NoAnimalID

fianna saor wrote: »

seriously?? :eek: even the assumptions alone.. 1) people living in council houses are on social welfare. 2) the opposite,people on social welfare live in a council house. 3) they have no savings. 4) they think the country owes them a living.

if that not snobbery i dont know what is

Lesson = when corporate socialists run out of other people's money they will put a gun toy our head for more. This should be an object lesson for Irish voters on may 31st....

K-9

The OP doesn't really meet the standard of the forum and is a tad generalistic. Can't see this ending well.