Dublin Bus [Questionable Rumour]

The Skulls

There seems to be a rumour doing the rounds the last week; Dublin Bus have enough funding to carry out their daily operations for the next 6 weeks or so. My brothers a driver & he was told by his boss. I find this frightening that if true a state company could run out of cash! If it's true will buses not run? What could happen?

Mycroft H

Highly unlikely that it could happen.

LXFlyer

This is the sort of nonsense that frankly does not deserve to be on a message board such as this.

For a start, how is anyone at that level in an organisation going to know anything about the ongoing finances of the company.

The only people who would be privy to that sort of info would be senior management.

Frankly it is rubbish.

doubletrouble?

The Skulls wrote: »

There seems to be a rumour doing the rounds the last week; Dublin Bus have enough funding to carry out their daily operations for the next 6 weeks or so.

thats all it is just a rumor dublin bus is probably the best job in the country for rumours. unless it's made official then i wouldn't go by hear say.

juan.kerr

Sounds implausible. What size subsidy do Dublin Bus get and what is the payment schedule?

devnull

Considering Dublin Bus are running a new advertising campaign on TV and all over the web at the moment I find it very hard to believe they are facing such a funding shortfall as you claim. If Funds were that tight they would not be able to do such things.

The Skulls

According to my brother it seems to be all he & his colleagues are talking about, I must admit its a frightening thought but the more I think about it the more I feel the grapevine is in full swing. I suppose time will tell...

The_Wrecker

I havent heard that one in Donnybrook.

ON another note i joined the 'Wooden spoon foundation' in 99 and was told i would be in a Stagecoach issued uniform within 12 months...

In 2001 the 75,114, Bray services and i think Tallaght imps were to be contracted out....

Shortly after we were selling our D4 shed for millions per acre and moving to Cherrywood.

13yrs on were still serving the entire* community and operating the spoon.






*Community must live on a bus route....:pac:.......

LXFlyer

The Skulls wrote: »

According to my brother it seems to be all he & his colleagues are talking about, I must admit its a frightening thought but the more I think about it the more I feel the grapevine is in full swing. I suppose time will tell...

For goodness sakes - this sort of stuff is nothing but nonsense.

Ignore it.

Cookie_Monster

I heard that because they spent the wages money on hybrids and pies for management purple monkey dishwasher

AlekSmart

The Skulls wrote: »

There seems to be a rumour doing the rounds the last week; Dublin Bus have enough funding to carry out their daily operations for the next 6 weeks or so. My brothers a driver & he was told by his boss. I find this frightening that if true a state company could run out of cash! If it's true will buses not run? What could happen?

It's not quite as bad as it seems,cos what your bruv misheard was not relating to Dublin Bus,but rather the country in general.....:o

So move along please,nothing to see here......:D

popebenny16

lxflyer wrote: »

This is the sort of nonsense that frankly does not deserve to be on a message board such as this.

for this is the Parnassus of transport related messageboards.

begone from it, thou foul OP!!

darken not our interwebs again, whilst we muse.

dfx-

I get the impression lxflyer does not approve of this thread.:)

LXFlyer

Well I have heard this sort of nonsense many times before in various guises and it is just an utterly pointless discussion.

My mate heard etc.

That anyone could take such unfounded rumours seriously is even more worrying.

The Skulls

Point taken, in hindsight yes, it was stupid to give it any credence. Cue one very relieved brother!

Victor

The Skulls wrote: »

My brothers a driver

If this is true, your user name is rather peculiar.

If the rumour is true.

The Skulls wrote: »

Dublin Bus have enough funding to carry out their daily operations for the next 6 weeks or so.

In those 6 weeks, they will receive perhaps 11% (6/52 weeks) of their annual fare revenue (perhaps excluding Taxsaver tickets) and 17% (2/12months) of their annual subvention.

The will have spent approximately 11% of their wages and fuel bills, although payment of other costs will likely vary, depending on ordering and delivery patterns.

In 6 weeks time, they will likely still have 6 weeks cash on hand.

liger

The Skulls wrote: »

Dublin Bus have enough funding to carry out their daily operations for the next 6 weeks

Better cancel those new VT's that are on order!!!! :rolleyes:

Cookie_Monster

Victor wrote: »

If the rumour is true.In those 6 weeks, they will receive perhaps 11% (6/52 weeks) of their annual fare revenue (perhaps excluding Taxsaver tickets) and 17% (2/12months) of their annual subvention.

The will have spent approximately 11% of their wages and fuel bills, although payment of other costs will likely vary, depending on ordering and delivery patterns.

In 6 weeks time, they will likely still have 6 weeks cash on hand.

spot on

I highly doubt they'd ever have the funding on hand to run the entire operation for free for 6 weeks, same as alomost any other business.

The Skulls

To clarify Victor my username comes from a rather stupid movie of the same name, seemed like a good idea at the time. Only afterwards did I learn of what else it meant.

dowlingm

The rumour might have been true, but of the wrong CIE subsidiary...

corktina

popebenny16 wrote: »

for this is the Parnassus of transport related messageboards.

begone from it, thou foul OP!!

darken not our interwebs again, whilst we muse.

Verily...

devnull

When I read such article it really makes me question the management and attitude of companies under the CIE umbrella as it really doesn't give off a good impression to the average consumer. I'd disagree with a lot of the so called reasons and gripes they bring up.

When a company like Bus Eireann invests as much as it has in it's Expressway fleet this year, to claim that it is simply because of the fact that the new vehicles cost less to maintain is misleading in my opinion. They're upgrading their fleet simply to compete with the private operators who have newer and better coaches than the previous Expressway fleet, I'm not saying that is wrong in itself, but the claim they are doing it purely to reduce maintenance costs is laughable.

I also notice that these adverts for the Bus Eireann new vehicles are everywhere, they're in the cities, in the press, on Facebook, on Boards.ie, on many of the press updates, again I don't say that is wrong in itself, but it's funny a company has all the money to invest in new vehicles and heavily market them claims that it is struggling financially. If you are struggling financially you wouldn't be investing as much money as we've seen in these two areas for the calendar year to date.

As for the concern about the impact of private operators. So what? I couldn't care less, I'm glad such private operators are in Ireland, as the presence of the likes of GoBus, JJ Kavanagh, Citylink and Aircoach for example has improved public transport for people in this country. Of course Bus Eireann don't like it because it reduces passengers on their services, but then again public transport in this country is bigger than any one operator and we simply shouldn't allow Bus Eireann to get a license because they are Bus Eireann, which the report seems to suggest they should get different treatment.

SandyfordGuy

The stuff about privates no doubt has effected Bus Eireann, but there is nothing wrong with that and that is the joys of a free marketplace if Bus Eireann don't like it they should just stop operating non PSO services. The last thing this country needs is Bus Eireann having some kind of superiority when it comes to licenses which the article hints they may be looking for.

Sure they have missed the boat on the Cork and Galway direct licenses, but at the end of the day that is all their own fault. The privates applied to run such services first therefore got the licenses. If Bus Eireann had been braver and got in there first they'd have a large slice of such markets now and in the future. That is the trouble with Bus Eireann at times they are reactive rather than proactive and that is down to bad management.

As stated by others, it's a bit strange to see a company who claims they are struggling financially to have made such an investment in it's fleet the same year, the downward fortunes of the company must have been brewing for more than a few months and they'd have known that or least had a hunch the trading environment would be difficult in the future when they were ordered, therefore especially with what must be an expensive marketing drive, it makes little sense if they are so hard up for cash.

dowlingm

not to mention that BE's own X services have had an impact on, for example, Irish Rail between Limerick-Galway and in the case of Dublin-Galway by a tie-up with one of the Privates (gobus).

ardmacha

There is a guy on IrishEconomy.ie called Dork of Cork who continually posts, with statistics to back up his point, to show that in the forthcoming crisis that public transport will be needed. He reckons that all buses, and even the likes of Mk3 rail rolling stock will be pressed into action.

Zoney

dowlingm wrote: »

not to mention that BE's own X services have had an impact on, for example, Irish Rail between Limerick-Galway and in the case of Dublin-Galway by a tie-up with one of the Privates (gobus).

Bus Éireann are canny enough to publish a fictional journey time of 1hr20. Usual journey time is 1hr 40. It's taken 2 hours on occasion and "non-stop" via LIT and GMIT on a Friday (fictional "extra" service serving the 3rd level colleges).

It's one thing being caught in Galway traffic but more annoying is when they don't actually leave on time (leaving ten mins past the published time is ten mins extra on the arrival time).

That's without elaborating various technical hitches and organisational issues affecting the X51 (at least ones I've been on, maybe I've been unlucky?).

Quite frankly I would very much like to be able to travel by train in a time of maybe 20 mins less than currently (so 1hr 40) and at more convenient times. It's pretty horrible relying on the bus.

LLU

Rumours eh?

Well how very constructive to post it on a message board on the iinternet!

dowlingm

Zoney, you should keep note of the timings and drop a note to the NTA if they are persistently late. Whatever chance of NTA admonishing BE there's none if they don't know about it.

As wifi is rolled out across bus and rail licence holders will be able to implement vehicle location monitoring as Aircoach already does, and thus RTPI should follow along with the NTA able to request on time performance data which should be a trivial amount of work for the operator to produce.

popebenny16

i dont get posters having a go at BE for introducing new buses.... there are some posters here who will knock BE for bringing in new ones, there are others giving out about the state of the old ones, and a few can do both at the same time.