What am I doing wrong..

aurin07

Been shooting a SxS BSA for about 7 years belonging to my uncle..

27inch barrel .. 32gr 6's ..

Went out the other day 18shots 11 crows..




Picked up a remi 887 pump the while back..


Just cant take to it.. Great for rabbits/trap

28inch barrel .. 32gr 6's 25 shots 4 crows

Modified choke

Now wind plus 30yard crows that day shouldn't have been a bother..



Maybe im not leading properly?.. I've **** poor technique shotty wise..

Driving me daft




'hdz

Grizzly 45

What chokes with the BSA SXS?? Were you hitting them on the 1st barrel or on 2nd shot?

From the info given ,I reckon you are not used to shooting the pump alot at fast moving targets ?? Try a few sporting clays/skeet if possible,as with all due respects to all DTL fans .. DTL can be almost shot with one shot and doesnt really simulate game targets very well IMVHO.

You are using two different types of guns now,and you could be throwing yourself by subconciously forgetting that you are expecting a instant second shot ala a DBBL, with a pump you have to do a bit of work for shot nr 2.:).I find myself trying to rack a DBBL,if I change from the pump.:o

Just practise abit more on the lead and on some clays,and try and build the lead into the racking action...Hard to explain in words alot easier to demonstrate.:(

EPointer=Birdss

Well put Grizz

At the ratio of shots to misses it sounds like both 1st attempt & 2nd plus you are missing. That would to me indicate lead & mounting the gun right & doing too much thinking.

Your mind is probably a split second behind the bird. Your minds eye sees the bird at position X in front of you but with all the other things going on in your head with a new & different type of gun the bird is likely at position X + Y with Y being the distance travelled between initial position & position when you pull the trigger. A second lag & the bird moves.

You need to bring your sights up behind the bird, match it's speed & angle, keep the gun swinging & shoot keeping the gun moving.
Your lead depends on distance of the bird but obviously aim to the head side & give lead based on the relative distance.

Vegeta

It's so hard to diagnose this stuff on the internet but the gun may also be a bad fit. Sure it might feel comfortable when shouldered, there's more to fit than comfort alone. If it is not pointing where you think it is then you will miss a lot of birds.

Getting someone who knows what they're at to assess your use of the gun might not be a bad thing. Any decent clay shooting coach could probably do it.

kemen

a perfect opportunity to use a pattern plate!! dont rifle at! mount point and shoot an see where your throwin the shot!

Grizzly 45

You can do a few quick checks to see if the gun is fitting you properly too at home.Put on what you would wear on an average days shooting.IE your sweater jacket ,shooting vest,etc.Then take the UNLOADED gun obviously!!! and mount it and point it at a full length dressing mirror.
You will then be able to see [1] your posture and stance,and[2] wether your head is sitting/lying correctly on the butstock.By rights your eye should be inline with the bead.Not above or below.

Then take the buttstock in the crook of your shooting arm raise it vertically and see how much of your trigger finger is touching the trigger.
It should be about on the whorl[The whirly bit of your finger print] If it is getting towards the first finger joint ,the stock is too short.If it is going above the whorl ,its too long.

Trouble is with most guns these days the stocks are a one size fits all affair.Remington might be cutting them for an average American mans dimensions,whereas you mightnt be in that category.
[Its one major problem with US police forces shotgun training programmes.The guns are too big for some ethnic groups and women police officers.:p]
And if there is one thing that is vitally important in shotgun shooting is that the stock fits you dead on as much as possible.

However lucky you!!If this is a stock problem the Remmy is one of the most adjustable stocks on the market.You can buy spacers or remove them as needed on the new 887.Or even change the stock completely to somthing that fits you .
Not somthing thats easily done on a more traditional wood stock gun.

aurin07

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

You can do a few quick checks to see if the gun is fitting you properly too at home.Put on what you would wear on an average days shooting.IE your sweater jacket ,shooting vest,etc.Then take the UNLOADED gun obviously!!! and mount it and point it at a full length dressing mirror.
You will then be able to see [1] your posture and stance,and[2] wether your head is sitting/lying correctly on the butstock.By rights your eye should be inline with the bead.Not above or below.

Then take the buttstock in the crook of your shooting arm raise it vertically and see how much of your trigger finger is touching the trigger.
It should be about on the whorl[The whirly bit of your finger print] If it is getting towards the first finger joint ,the stock is too short.If it is going above the whorl ,its too long.

Trouble is with most guns these days the stocks are a one size fits all affair.Remington might be cutting them for an average American mans dimensions,whereas you mightnt be in that category.
[Its one major problem with US police forces shotgun training programmes.The guns are too big for some ethnic groups and women police officers.:p]
And if there is one thing that is vitally important in shotgun shooting is that the stock fits you dead on as much as possible.

However lucky you!!If this is a stock problem the Remmy is one of the most adjustable stocks on the market.You can buy spacers or remove them as needed on the new 887.Or even change the stock completely to somthing that fits you .
Not somthing thats easily done on a more traditional wood stock gun.

I actually bought it for fit!!

Im a skinny ol lanky fecker 6 4 and its a great gun.. Swings fantastic and doesn't have that "weight" issue most pumps are attributed for..

I would agree with ya it is BIG gun.. It's a reach for the GF and she can shoot the double barrel all day ..

Fit wise it lifts and swings great..

Pattern plate may be the only option..

Bob Aronsohn

Shooting error, what a great subject.

To be a good consistent wing shot takes plenty of practice. You also have to have plenty of faith in your equipment.

The reasons why people miss most birds on the wing is because they are shooting behind the bird. Some will give the bird the correct lead and at the last second either coast (the muzzle of the shotgun) to a stop or stop the muzzle the instant they get the right lead. When this occurs you will always shoot behind the bird.

Knowing (when the shooter gains enough experience) when to take the bird in flight is a big advantage to the shooter.

Raising ones head off the comb of the butt stock when you get the shot off is another reason birds get missed, the shot goes over the bird (shooting high) and becomes a miss.

Having a firearm that fits you helps a bunch, but you still need to practice a lot to build in the muscle memory.

Bob Aronsohn