RGII, who's side are they on ?

Billy Bunting

Bit of a gripe i need to vent.

Have a letter from RGII about 4 weeks ago stating my PL insurance was soon up for renewal (26-5-12) and unless they received proof of renewal on or before that date they would remove me from their RGII approved list, i renewed this last week but my insurers state they wont issue new documents until its due date, tried to explain this to RGII and asked them to contact my insurers but they insist its "not their responsability", how bucking helpful are they!!! :mad:

They removed me at Christmas "HO" "HO" "HO" for a similar thing.

I went to a dead boiler due to incomplete combustion last week, a year after installation where the installer couldn't be arsed to fit the collars to the flue and then knocked the outer flue out when he filled in the hole with expandable foam, I sent a notice of hazard to RGI but I can only hope he let's his insurance lapse so the can suspend him.

There were kids in that house including a new born and it will take a death(s) before things change. Hold on deaths won't work we already had them.

anuprising

when I renew mine each year the broker I use emails a cover note as standard to rgii and this does them . he does it for all rgi's he deals with . I get two hard copy's and a PDF / email format to mail to clients should they request a copy of my cover - its painless

anuprising

anuprising wrote: »

when I renew mine each year the broker I use emails a cover note as standard to rgii and this does them . he does it for all rgi's he deals with . I get two hard copy's and a PDF / email format to mail to clients should they request a copy of my cover - its painless

Don't go ruining a good rant with a sensible answer please;)

Billy Bunting

anuprising wrote: »

when I renew mine each year the broker I use emails a cover note as standard to rgii and this does them . he does it for all rgi's he deals with . I get two hard copy's and a PDF / email format to mail to clients should they request a copy of my cover - its painless

And if we don't have such a helpful broker. I think a simple day or so grace would be far more helpful to the people who pay their salaries rather than wasting everyones time removing our details, that seems to me to be far more painless, and common sense.

And another rant with the RGII, we have accounts with them, so why do they insist on payment with orders, the only time i didnt have to pay up front was after being in credit after i overpaid on initial registration, after they insisted i paid the full annual subs in October. :rolleyes:

anuprising

I don't think they like you billy lol - they will give credit for nothing or no one nowadays ,
and technically we don't pay thier wages , they are contracted to the cer as a service provider , not us . it's essentially reci running the show .
no accountability . it's not like our British counterparts .they are not an organisation for us , they are an organisation to administer us , but like everything in Ireland , how can you control/administer something that you know f@@k all about .
I can see an upheaval in the coming years and reci going and a proper gas safe type register and training being forced upon Ireland .

JohnnieK

anuprising wrote: »

I don't think they like you billy lol - they will give credit for nothing or no one nowadays ,
and technically we don't pay thier wages , they are contracted to the cer as a service provider , not us . it's essentially reci running the show .
no accountability . it's not like our British counterparts .they are not an organisation for us , they are an organisation to administer us , but like everything in Ireland , how can you control/administer something that you know f@@k all about .
I can see an upheaval in the coming years and reci going and a proper gas safe type register and training being forced upon Ireland .

Not as long as willy Wilson breaths air. How a completely novice company in regards to gas got this gig and corgi and gas safe who also tendered to the cer didn't is beyond me. It's the strings mr Wilson pulled that done it.

Micky Dolenz

I got de-registered the second year of the scheme for the same reason. I didn't let it happen a second time.

On a personal level, I have always found Mr Wilson more then helpful in most of my dealings with him. He actually helped me out of a hole once and that good turn has not gone forgotten by me.

Micky Dolenz

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I got de-registered the second year of the scheme for the same reason. I didn't let it happen a second time.

On a personal level, I have always found Mr Wilson more then helpful in most of my dealings with him. He actually helped me out of a hole once and that good turn has not gone forgotten by me.

Without a doubt Willie has done some very good things i.e. stopping a second RGI from certifying a installation that the first had not been payed for, But it's the running of RGI that he's let us all down on, it's on his watch that we now have RGI's that have no buisseness working with things that can go bang, he was asked at the start to make the requirement for working with gas more skills based but his opinion is that Irish installers wouldn't be able to pass if it was made difficult, so now we have the super doper 10 day course for everything run by chevron:mad: thank you Willie.

why do we have no clear guidelines for identifying and dealing with unsafe situations like the Corgi book I carry, why does our regs only hint at things rather than clarify and simplify as it should and need to, why can one RGI clear a hazard notice a second has left just by disagreeing with the first and the first can not ask RGII for a second opinion, why do we have a registration system that allows unskilled workers to work side by side installers who are gas engineers, why are we all able to now work on LPG but we have had no training, why is there no real guidelines on LPG, why do i have to police the industry, shouldn't it be done by inspecters inspecting randomly from certs sent in, I could go on but I'm boring myself now:eek:

Micky Dolenz

Yeah things are by no means perfect. There could be better umderstanding between BG and RGII. I had a dispute with BG last year where they refused to fit a meter on a job where we had filled out the pre construction part of cert 1. They said they needed pipe work in place so it could be tested.

What's the point in that part of cert 1 then or even being RGI. Rgii agreed with me that it should be fitted as per cert. I asked BG to send me their reasoning in writing, which they did. I passed this on to RGII and still await their response. I won't hold my breathe.

Normally it's not a problem but when you are doing a changeover from oil to gas I like to make the change in one day and have meter already in place. Is my signed word as a RGI that the works will be done to regs not good enough for BG? Seems so.

DGOBS

What I cannot understand is why there isn't a RTC committee, where elected RGI members committee have a means of communicating on these matters and representation to the scheme works that govern training requirements etc.

Has anyone even been invited to an RGII AGM???
Or could they not find a venue with good enough security or a high enough fence around the stage.

anuprising

DGOBS wrote: »

What I cannot understand is why there isn't a RTC committee, where elected RGI members committee have a means of communicating on these matters and representation to the scheme works that govern training requirements etc.

Has anyone even been invited to an RGII AGM???
Or could they not find a venue with good enough security or a high enough fence around the stage.

there is a commitee of rgi represenatives ,one of them being the head of the aphci !!!!

Current Installer Representative Panel Chris Ahearne, James Brereton,

Pat Kelleher, Sean Giffney, Pat O’Shaughnessy, Jimmy Egan

maybe you spot names that were big with bg years ago ?

you can only go to an agm if your a shareholder in a company or organisation ,or in some cases a member , we are none of the above .
Note: Registered Gas Installers (RGI) are separate entities to RGII i.e. businesses or sole traders and RGII have no control over there methods and practices except in relation to Gas Safety.

JohnnieK

To be honest I think it's the CER who should be put under pressure. Rgii only implement what is put before them.