Dublin Airport in the news today.

ScouseMouse

I understand if this gets locked, but will have a go.

Does anyone know what all this controvery is about today. Apparently Dublin Airport failed some security test and, if you believe what you read in the Herald, people who started their journey, transiting other airports, will be singled out rescreened.

Muggins here transits Gatwick to Florida in a fortnight with a one hour transit time. Arrive and leave same terminal with baggage interlined.

ScouseMouse

Can I add, while I appreciate it could be sensitive info that could cause this to be locked, does anyone know if I could realistically be delayed in a fortnight.

PM would be fine !

munchkin_utd

superscouse wrote: »

I understand if this gets locked, but will have a go.

Does anyone know what all this controvery is about today. Apparently Dublin Airport failed some security test and, if you believe what you read in the Herald, people who started their journey, transiting other airports, will be singled out rescreened.

Muggins here transits Gatwick to Florida in a fortnight with a one hour transit time. Arrive and leave same terminal with baggage interlined.

in practice though it often wont mean any difference.

If I remember correctly, when I flew Germany to Dublin and vice versa with connection in Geneva, Zurich, Heathrow or Frankfurt I had to (annoyingly) re-do security checks - which seemed pointless and wasteful to me at the time.

Especially the swiss feckers who take you into a curtained compartment and give you such a frisking that even the security at Belfast City during the troubles wouldnt get near for invading your intimate zone(s) on seeing your irish passport.

ScouseMouse

munchkin_utd wrote: »

in practice though it often wont mean any difference.

If I remember correctly, when I flew Germany to Dublin and vice versa with connection in Geneva, Zurich, Heathrow or Frankfurt I had to (annoyingly) re-do security checks - which seemed pointless and wasteful to me at the time.

Especially the swiss feckers who take you into a curtained compartment and give you such a frisking that even the security at Belfast City during the troubles wouldnt get near for invading your intimate zone(s) on seeing your irish passport.

Are you "in the know?" I know the UK are a bit stricter than here, but once you bring in the yanks, they go overboard!

thebourke

was flying back from Cyprus to Dublin through Stanstead last week...we had to get screened at Stanstead!!...it's getting ridiculous at this stage...looks like every airport is going to enforc the rule if you land at an intermediate airport for your journey home you will get checked again!

I used to love going to airports..now i can't stand it with all the checks

in london stanstead we had to have the liquids,toothpaste etc in a plastic bottle..in cyprus airport there was no check!!
different standards at different airports

Lapin

RTÉ News.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0515/dublin-airport-security-eu-audit.html

Are you changing flights in Gatwick or Dublin OP ?

Either way you'll be fine.

ScouseMouse

Lapin wrote: »

RTÉ News.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0515/dublin-airport-security-eu-audit.html

Are you changing flights in Gatwick or Dublin OP ?

Either way you'll be fine.

Flying aer lingus from DUB to LGW, and changing to Virgin. Arrive about 10.05am and Dep 11.15. I have been assured its plenty of time - then this !

Sean9015

superscouse wrote: »

Flying aer lingus from DUB to LGW, and changing to Virgin. Arrive about 10.05am and Dep 11.15. I have been assured its plenty of time - then this !

Never done a transfer at LGW, but that looks on the tight side to me even without any additional checks. Certainly I would have gone for a minimum 2 hour transfer time.

galwayjohn89

Sean9015 wrote: »

Never done a transfer at LGW, but that looks on the tight side to me even without any additional checks. Certainly I would have gone for a minimum 2 hour transfer time.

I'd say 1hr 15 is grand. I have a 60 minute connection time in LHR after ORD->LHR->DUB flight never had any issues with it.

ScouseMouse

Booked through touramerica and they tell me Virgin have a special tranfer desk for us. In and out the same terminal, they assure me it will be fine. On our return, we have to do security and have a couple of hours.

Lapin

superscouse wrote: »

Flying aer lingus from DUB to LGW, and changing to Virgin. Arrive about 10.05am and Dep 11.15. I have been assured its plenty of time - then this !

In the same terminal 70 minutes is a fair amount of time. I'd prefer an extra hour myself just to relax between getting off one plane before getting on another.

You're at the mercy of Aer Lingus getting you to Gatwick on time, but they have a good record of punctuality between Dublin and London.

The changes at Dublin airport won't affect you at all. Only passengers transferring flights in Dublin.

BrianD

superscouse wrote: »

... but once you bring in the yanks, they go overboard!

And therein lies the problem. If the yanks hadn't of been asleep at the wheel in the past the rest of us would not now be going through these tedious security screenings.

Suits

I went through Cork a year or 2 back about 20 mins after they failed a security test......my girlfriend was almost on the rape whistle....

I was told my belt was a "potential weapon" but was allowed on when I suggested that my pants falling down may reveal another "concealed weapon"....although in retrospect that sort of thing turned out not to be too out of place with Cork people....:D

whyulittle

Lapin wrote: »

The changes at Dublin airport won't affect you at all. Only passengers transferring flights in Dublin.

Is it not passengers transferring flights from Dublin in another European airport - passengers like the OP?

RTE News wrote:

Passengers transferring through another European airport will have to be re-screened when they land at those airports from Dublin.

ScouseMouse

whyulittle wrote: »

Is it not passengers transferring flights from Dublin in another European airport - passengers like the OP?

I think you are right. MOL was on the radio picking apart the announcement. "There will be practically no disruption to people at Dubln airport". He is right, its when I land in London that I may/will have trouble. MOL reckons Dublin flights will be treated on par with flights from Afghanistan and Somalia. If his aircraft have to wait to be searched in every foreign airport, his schedules will go out the window.

There is still no mention about what exactly the problem is. Lots of talk about searching people and planes, but no mention why. Perhaps they are weary to expose the issue before they fix it ?????

L1011

This may explain why it very recently took three security agents a good five minutes to decide if my car keyring was allowed on board, despite the fact it'd probably have Gold Circle Elite status if I'd ever registered it... never been queried in DUB, or anywhere else, before since the day I started using it.

dercu

Well in the last 2 months security for staff has been a nightmare. There are some very arrogant people working for the DAA ASU. I have have it down to a fine art of what i need to remove before screening. The odd time I get a random screening and then the row will start with one or two individuals. My belt, ID, boots never have set the machine off. But when I get a random these people jump down your throat, remove your boots, etc.
What gets up my nose is who screens them at the start of there shift or when they come back from break? They walk thru the metal detector, it beeps, and there colleague barely bats an eyelid.

Run_to_da_hills

The only real terrorists we have to fear are the CIA underwear bombers.

Madpaddy79

Anyone going to spill the beans on what's going on?😉

Fulton Crown

It's another fcuck up by the lazy goons in the DAA.

European Airports are audited on an annual basis to check if they are adhering to agreed European security standards.

Dublin Airport failed on two counts and were give a time frame to rectify the issues.

They failed to rectify the issues in the stipulated timeframe and there fore DAP passangers may have to undergo extra security checks at other Airports.

These cnunts at DAA are a real embarrisment....what can be done ...no wonder RyanAir are kicking them in the nuts.

But hey! let's not embark on another "public service bashing" exercise .

Madpaddy79

But whats failing at Dub?

lord lucan

Madpaddy79 wrote: »

But whats failing at Dub?

Even if some people know what's going on i doubt they'll divulge it on an internet forum.

dercu

We'll never know the failings!! Don't want to have another security breach!!!

parsi

Every time I've transited through Heathrow , Frankfurt and Amsterdam (from Cork, Luxembourg and Berlin) I've had to go through security again so why are they mentioning that folk _may_ have to go through it when transiting ?

Fulton Crown

parsi wrote: »

Every time I've transited through Heathrow , Frankfurt and Amsterdam (from Cork, Luxembourg and Berlin) I've had to go through security again so why are they mentioning that folk _may_ have to go through it when transiting ?

Cause the stupid lazy cnunts at the State run Airports in Ireland do not adhere to agreed European safety standards.

But why should they ?

Can't be sacked ...plenty of time off for Golf....Cartier Watches for the Board !

It's a fcukin joke !

parsi

As I said - it also occurred travelling from Berlin and Luxembourg - airports that aren't operated by DAA. Also happened coming from Barcelona.

lynchie

superscouse wrote: »

Booked through touramerica and they tell me Virgin have a special tranfer desk for us. In and out the same terminal, they assure me it will be fine. On our return, we have to do security and have a couple of hours.

It may be a little tight. Once you are off the plane dash ahead of everybody if possible. Just before the transfer desk there is a full security screening area. Just the one metal detector / scanner for everybody transferring so you dont want to be delayed here. Also, the virgin transfer desk usually has one person on it and it can be slow depending on any issues of those passengers in front of you. When we arrived a few weeks back, there was 4 in front of us, 2 were processed quite quickly, the third took 10-15 mins to sort. Once you get through that you should only be 10 min walk from your gate.

ScouseMouse

lynchie wrote: »

It may be a little tight. Once you are off the plane dash ahead of everybody if possible. Just before the transfer desk there is a full security screening area. Just the one metal detector / scanner for everybody transferring so you dont want to be delayed here. Also, the virgin transfer desk usually has one person on it and it can be slow depending on any issues of those passengers in front of you. When we arrived a few weeks back, there was 4 in front of us, 2 were processed quite quickly, the third took 10-15 mins to sort. Once you get through that you should only be 10 min walk from your gate.

Nice tip thanks.

But I am not sure how fast we can go with a 2 year old and a nine year old.:(

Tenger

Madpaddy79 wrote: »

But whats failing at Dub?

According to the news articles the test failure at DUB was NOT related to passenger screening........

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/failure-to-track-shop-supplies-at-airport-will-cause-traveller-misery-3109984.html



.....so lets stop going on about how that must be the problem. Security worldwide is a up and down system. Depends on you, the screener, their supervisor, the moods of people involved, the attitude of the previous pax through the screening point.

@MadPaddy: You just asked a question, but the rest of the posters are going on about pax screening when it was in the news 2 days ago that the failure was not pax related

Elessar

dercu wrote: »

Well in the last 2 months security for staff has been a nightmare. There are some very arrogant people working for the DAA ASU. I have have it down to a fine art of what i need to remove before screening. The odd time I get a random screening and then the row will start with one or two individuals. My belt, ID, boots never have set the machine off. But when I get a random these people jump down your throat, remove your boots, etc.
What gets up my nose is who screens them at the start of there shift or when they come back from break? They walk thru the metal detector, it beeps, and there colleague barely bats an eyelid.

That's just blatantly not true and you know it. Everyone is screened, even security staff. Quite often people just don't know how the system fully works and proceed to think the staff have it in for them as a result, or pick and choose who to screen, as you are implying. This is simply not true. Of course there are some arrogant people working in the job, just as there are everywhere else, but there are far more decent people who are just doing their job and if you are nice to them they'll be nice to you (and vice versa).

If the detector goes off, you must agree to be searched to proceed. It's simple. No matter how many times you've worn the same belt, if the detector activates it must be resolved. No one is there to make life difficult for anyone. Security staff have no say in what the machines do, but have to follow their procedures just like anyone who does their job. Your belt or boots obviously did set off the machine, if you were requested to remove them.

In my time in the airport, not once has a security staff member "rowed" with anyone. 100% of the time it's the other staff or passengers who have the problem, and the attitude and think security has it in for them, or that they are somehow exempt because "it didn't go off last time".

Airport security is one of the, if not THE most tested industry in the world. Constant audits and tests are carried out, by the airport, dept of transport, the EU and the ICAO. Even the xray machines continuously and automatically test the staff. As the news report pointed out, passenger screening is not affected and dublin airport is 100% compliant and safe in this regard.

donvito99

I've always found security at DUB to be more efficient than others, with much friendlier staff; certainly compared to Stanstead or Gatwick.

basill

Yep I would 2nd that and much more pragmatic about things as well on the staff security side of the terminal. Now LHR well that is another matter altogether, but lets not go there.

Solair

While it is internationally embarrassing, I don't think it would have any impact on Ryanair anyway.

Ryanair do not provide any through-ticketing. So, if you're flying with Ryanair from say Dublin to Stansted to Wherever, you have to collect your bags, and effectively go through check-in again anyway.

The issue is clearly that other EU airports are not going to be satisfied with the standards at Dublin Airport for passengers/bags that have been per-screened there, thus they'll have to go through again.

I'm wondering if it might be safer / easier to avoid problems to just not book anything with a through ticket and actually just check in from scratch at the airport you're transiting through as otherwise you might get singled out for special treatment or delayed for ages as there might not be sufficient resources to deal with special cases.

If you aren't caught for time, it might bet better to just collect your bags, go back to departures, have a coffee and then go back to the check in desk of the airline you're flying onwards with.

Irish passengers have no visa restrictions for ANY European airport, so transiting is only really handy in terms of getting your bags handled correctly and avoiding security queues.

If you're just flying point to point to another EU destination, it won't make any difference to you at all.

Tenger

Solair wrote: »

........I'm wondering if it might be safer / easier to avoid problems to just not book anything with a through ticket and actually just check in from scratch at the airport you're transiting through as otherwise you might get singled out for special treatment or delayed for ages as there might not be sufficient resources to deal with special cases.......

They say it will be rectified in 2 months, so not a great case for changing your travel habits in the meantime

mary21

superscouse wrote: »

Booked through touramerica and they tell me Virgin have a special tranfer desk for us. In and out the same terminal, they assure me it will be fine. On our return, we have to do security and have a couple of hours.

i booked through touramerica for june and they would not leave me on the 9 oclock flight .they put me on the 6.40 from dublin and the 11.15 to orlando.the only thing is there is a flight at 1 oclock if you miss the 11 oclock flight.

ZENER

Elessar wrote: »

That's just blatantly not true and you know it. Everyone is screened, even security staff. Quite often people just don't know how the system fully works and proceed to think the staff have it in for them as a result, or pick and choose who to screen, as you are implying. This is simply not true. Of course there are some arrogant people working in the job, just as there are everywhere else, but there are far more decent people who are just doing their job and if you are nice to them they'll be nice to you (and vice versa).

If the detector goes off, you must agree to be searched to proceed. It's simple. No matter how many times you've worn the same belt, if the detector activates it must be resolved. No one is there to make life difficult for anyone. Security staff have no say in what the machines do, but have to follow their procedures just like anyone who does their job. Your belt or boots obviously did set off the machine, if you were requested to remove them.

In my time in the airport, not once has a security staff member "rowed" with anyone. 100% of the time it's the other staff or passengers who have the problem, and the attitude and think security has it in for them, or that they are somehow exempt because "it didn't go off last time".

Airport security is one of the, if not THE most tested industry in the world. Constant audits and tests are carried out, by the airport, dept of transport, the EU and the ICAO. Even the xray machines continuously and automatically test the staff. As the news report pointed out, passenger screening is not affected and dublin airport is 100% compliant and safe in this regard.

While I agree the the majority of your post I think you neglected to account for personalities in the ASU. It's not unusual to encounter staff who are over-zelous in their approach to their purpose. Also I'd like to point out "all activations of the screening equipment must be resolved" If you set of the WMD or have items which the operator of the X-Ray machines consider worth investigating then so be it !! It can be extremely frustrating at times, especially when you have to got through this procedure more that 10 times in a shift. But it's there for the safety of all airport users and passengers !

Certain agents at DUB are exempt from screening. For this reason if I were of the terrorist objective then those are the staff I would try to infiltrate !!

There are also other issues regarding security screening which for obvious reasons can not and should not be discussed in an open forum. The issue highlighted by the authorities is being corrected and only effects a certain category of passengers where Dublin is a midway point on their journey.

It's interesting that the first company to bring the whole thing to light was Ryanair. It doesn't effect them or their passengers as they are a point to point airline. But then Mr. O'Leary was never one to ignore any opportunity to avail of free advertising or to take a pop at the DAA. Having experienced his vitriol (and his candid attitude to airport security ) firsthand I consider him an obnoxious human being, a "quality" that alas he permeats through his entire organisation. If his was the last airline flying from a nuclear bomb I would not board one of his planes.

Reviews of security procedures are an ongoing process at Dublin Airport. "Mystery shoppers" are a common occurrence and immediate steps are taken to address their findings. Vigorous screening of vehicles going airside is just one of those steps. As long as such screening is consistent across all airport agencies then there isn't a problem with staff feeling aggrieved.

Ken

roundymac

Why is it that whenever there is a problem at Dublin Airport the press go to Ryanair/Ml O'Leary when they want a quote. Why not go to the airlines that could be affected by it so that the travelling public are correctly aware of the inplications of the problem and not Ml O'Leary's whinging about the DAA. After all he is the person who was complaining about increased security with the ban on liquids.:mad:

globemaster1986

roundymac wrote: »

Why is it that whenever there is a problem at Dublin Airport the press go to Ryanair/Ml O'Leary when they want a quote.

Because they know he won't decline to comment and they know that he will probably give them the headline they are looking for!

Factual reporting when it comes to aviation is terrible. They check nothing, use old photos, wrong type of A/C, call everything a "jet" etc etc etc

lord lucan

roundymac wrote: »

Why is it that whenever there is a problem at Dublin Airport the press go to Ryanair/Ml O'Leary when they want a quote. Why not go to the airlines that could be affected by it so that the travelling public are correctly aware of the inplications of the problem and not Ml O'Leary's whinging about the DAA. After all he is the person who was complaining about increased security with the ban on liquids.:mad:

Without wishing to sound like Run_to_the_hills,i think MO'L may have jumped on this one the minute it broke. FR were taking a lot of flak over their shutdown of their website this weekend(CL Football and HC rugby final weekend) and people possibly getting stung for a hefty charge for printing a boarding card having failed to print it off at home due to the website being down.

That's all but been forgotten now as FR went on the offensive over the issue at DUB. The old adage of if you fling enough **** it will stick still holds through with them. Reading comments on TheJournal.ie about the story saw the same old FR-isms being bandied about by people conditioned to accepting what MO'L says about DUB/DAA/IAA/BAA etc. The usual 'T2 cost €1.2bn' type comments prevail from people who haven't a clue about aviation,it drives me nuts.

I usually stay out of DAA threads as the DAA are my employer. I'm not a cheerleader for them,they have me banging my head with frustration as often as they have me applaud them. But the tripe that comes from FR HQ really gets on my wick sometimes,especially when it's repeated ad nauseum by passengers to me like they're all suddenly aviation experts!

****Deep Breath*****

:):):)

davebuck

lord lucan wrote: »

Without wishing to sound like Run_to_the_hills,i think MO'L may have jumped on this one the minute it broke. FR were taking a lot of flak over their shutdown of their website this weekend(CL Football and HC rugby final weekend) and people possibly getting stung for a hefty charge for printing a boarding card having failed to print it off at home due to the website being down.

That's all but been forgotten now as FR went on the offensive over the issue at DUB. The old adage of if you fling enough **** it will stick still holds through with them. Reading comments on TheJournal.ie about the story saw the same old FR-isms being bandied about by people conditioned to accepting what MO'L says about DUB/DAA/IAA/BAA etc. The usual 'T2 cost €1.2m' type comments prevail from people who haven't a clue about aviation,it drives me nuts.

I usually stay out of DAA threads as the DAA are my employer. I'm not a cheerleader for them,they have me banging my head with frustration as often as they have me applaud them. But the tripe that comes from FR HQ really gets on my wick sometimes,especially when it's repeated ad nauseum by passengers to me like they're all suddenly aviation experts!

****Deep Breath*****

:):):)

More free press for MOL/Ryanair and yes takes away from their own issues.I'm sure it most annoy them AL are the number one carrier at Dublin again....

IngazZagni

I'm surprised people are defending the DAA. This is an inexcusable blunder and heads should roll. The fact that the DAA knew about this security flaw for over a month and failed to rectify it makes it even more worrying.
MOL is right in saying that Ryanair aircraft may be subject to additional security searches when arriving from Dublin. This procedure is currently in place for Ryanair aircraft arriving from Morrocco and Croatia.

davebuck wrote: »

More free press for MOL/Ryanair and yes takes away from their own issues.I'm sure it most annoy them AL are the number one carrier at Dublin again....

If Ryanair wanted to be the biggest operator at Dublin they would be. Ryanair is an economically smart airline and they will go where the money is. At the moment it's not in Dublin but rather elsewhere in Europe so they move their aircraft out there.

Also just as a side note the airport check in fee will be waived this Sat, Sun and Mon. They don't want to publicise this because they want everyone to check in online as it creates extra operational hassles for them to do it at the airport.

lord lucan

IngazZagni wrote: »

I'm surprised people are defending the DAA. This is an inexcusable blunder and heads should roll. The fact that the DAA knew about this security flaw for over a month and failed to rectify it makes it even more worrying.

Nobody is defending the DAA over the security breech,fact is we don't know what it is and what was and wasn't done. Even the normally bubbling rumour mill in the airport hasn't come up with anything,at least that i've heard.

I think the least that should happen is someone takes the fall for allowing an apparent flaw to go unresolved for a month. A typical "Sorry about that boss,won't happen again" won't suffice given the severity of the flaw and the dark stain its put on Dublin Airport.

I was talking to one of the Search Unit in T2 yesterday and funnily enough he said not one passenger has mentioned the story to him. The only people talking about it where industry staff passing through the staff search area.

Solair

Ryanair - masters of getting free advertising through somewhat unorthodox PR stunts

ScouseMouse

mary21 wrote: »

i booked through touramerica for june and they would not leave me on the 9 oclock flight .they put me on the 6.40 from dublin and the 11.15 to orlando.the only thing is there is a flight at 1 oclock if you miss the 11 oclock flight.

Just had a call from Touramerica. Due to my flight being rescheduled back by 10 mins, I miss the recommended transit time.

So.... 6.40am flight it is. Wake kids at 4.30. Airport 5.30. Florida 8pm (ish)

Oh, THE JOY OF IT.

An Udaras

lord lucan wrote: »

Without wishing to sound like Run_to_the_hills,i think MO'L may have jumped on this one the minute it broke. FR were taking a lot of flak over their shutdown of their website this weekend(CL Football and HC rugby final weekend) and people possibly getting stung for a hefty charge for printing a boarding card having failed to print it off at home due to the website being down.

That's all but been forgotten now as FR went on the offensive over the issue at DUB. The old adage of if you fling enough **** it will stick still holds through with them. Reading comments on TheJournal.ie about the story saw the same old FR-isms being bandied about by people conditioned to accepting what MO'L says about DUB/DAA/IAA/BAA etc. The usual 'T2 cost €1.2bn' type comments prevail from people who haven't a clue about aviation,it drives me nuts.

I usually stay out of DAA threads as the DAA are my employer. I'm not a cheerleader for them,they have me banging my head with frustration as often as they have me applaud them. But the tripe that comes from FR HQ really gets on my wick sometimes,especially when it's repeated ad nauseum by passengers to me like they're all suddenly aviation experts!

****Deep Breath*****

:):):)

Nicely put..

muppet01

A " security breach" involves a prohibited item passing through from landside to airside, as in The Stars headline "Guns and bombs get through airport".
This clearly did not happen, the problem lies with processes used outside passenger and baggage screening.
DUB was the first airport audited this year therefore many more airport issues will come to light.MOL gripes about his transfer pax is rubbish as previously stated by another poster FR is a "point to point " airline
Storm in a teacup/redtab paper

IngazZagni

lord lucan wrote: »

Nobody is defending the DAA over the security breech,

muppet01 wrote: »

A " security breach" involves a prohibited item passing through from landside to airside, as in The Stars headline "Guns and bombs get through airport".
This clearly did not happen, the problem lies with processes used outside passenger and baggage screening.
DUB was the first airport audited this year therefore many more airport issues will come to light.MOL gripes about his transfer pax is rubbish as previously stated by another poster FR is a "point to point " airline
Storm in a teacup/redtab paper

Yes it wasn't a security breach. The airport failed a security audit on two counts which means that an entire process on how something is done is flawed.

Downplaying the seriousness of something like this is the equivalent of defending the DAA imo.
Just because another airport may fail a security audit as well does not make it in any way more acceptable. This is something that I would expect would be more likely to happen in Knock or Kerry, not in our countries biggest airport.

MOL will go overboard on everything and yes I don't think it will have any effect on FR pax. However it may very well have an effect on his aircraft. For example in many cases an FR plane will fly from say Dub to Eindhoven and then continue onwards to Krakow. It's in this situation that the aircraft will be treated as if it has arrived from a "high risk" airport or Country and the extra security checks may delay the turnaround time.

The bottom line is that's it's just not acceptable and if I don't hear of those in charge of this area getting the sack or being demoted then it will just undermine how inefficient the DAA really is. /rant