Tramore....

blankAs

does the town provide adequatly for you to lead a fun fulfilling life?
is there one community or a gathering of many community's with little links?
what would you like to see in tramore? services, facilitys?
where in tramore is the biggest eyesore?
where is the shining light in the town?
what do you think is the biggest social problem in the town?
where is the biggest social problem?
what would you like to see happen in the town?
do you benefit from tourism? directly, indirectly?

Guramoogah

Who are you and why are you asking so many questions?

looksee

Guramoogah wrote: »

Who are you and why are you asking so many questions?

See the flowrider discussion. This is just another angle on the same topic.

blankAs

im a tramore person who wants to get a handle on what this town actually is and where it is going. there is no community fourm for this town be it in the real world or online so i thought why not use here, there seems to be enough tramore people using it. mabey try and use it as a discussion point as long gone are the days of public discussion over the village pump, also people seem to be better able to express themselves online as it is not standing up in front of a crowd and giving their point of view. im not a serial objector or such like, im a concerned citizen who is looking at what is happening in the country and how other communitys are pulling together and wonder how tramore is unresponsive to the current crisis

wellboy76

https://www.facebook.com/groups/tramore/

tbayers

what would you like to see happen in the town?

See douch bags like you cop on and get up off your arse and have a proper look around for yourself! Tramore has countless amounts of community services, your just so blind you can't see them:rolleyes:

blankAs

oh you think your so clever, such a hilarious boy....
fyi, im not on my arse, iv been looking since birth and fortunately im not blind. im involved in some community services, im just not an 'out there, look at me, im great, im helping people' person. im just looking to find out the views of towns people to feed into a piece of research but all im finding is negitive responses to any of my posts. not constructive discussion. im hoping that this is not a representative cross section of tramore society. if it is im worried.

looksee

I think you might find you are getting negative responses because your own approach is negative. You are the one who is saying how bad Tramore is, you are trying to get answers that suit your own views.

I would be inclined to agree that there are some issues in Tramore, but no more than anywhere. I could quote a couple of instances of things being less than desirable in Tramore, but I would not make a sweeping dismissal of the town on the basis of that. On balance there is a lot going on if you choose to look for it.

You give the impression that you are not entirely upfront about what you are doing, and if you are really doing serious research (for what exactly?) you might find people would take it more seriously if you had a more balanced, and reader friendly approach.

blankAs

i may be blunt and to the point but i make no apologies. im trying to start a discussion on tramore as a whole, the good sides and the bad sides, trying to get peoples views on the town, its past present and the future. the flowrider issue got people talking now why not a discussion on the whole town and not just on one little field?

jack pippy

tramore is a great town with plenty to do if u want every where has its problems we are lucky:) altough the young surfer dudes drinking in the sand dunes during the summer months are giving are small town a bad reputation to some summer holiday makers but hopefully are tidy beach cleaning campaigns can alter such neglections of our beautiful beach we can all work together for a better tramore

jack pippy

let me know what you tramore people think should be done to improve our vast and popular community and i shall contact our constituenccy

Brick Session

jack pippy wrote: »

let me know what you tramore people think should be done to improve our vast and popular community and i shall contact our constituenccy

Are ya on the drugs yourself lad?

jack pippy

fortunatly i have never indulged myself in illegal substances like that and i would reccomend we all discourage are youths in this town from taking any of that rat poison this town is secretly suffering in silence from such drug abuse hopefully the garda will prosecute all those in possesion of such a thing,, i hear theirs already ready been some drug raids in tramore the past few months so hopefully it will be gone from tramorefor good

Brick Session

jack pippy wrote: »

let me know what you tramore people think should be done to improve our vast and popular community and i shall contact our constituenccy

Sorry lad was not making fun of you but if you think that contacting any of our elected representatives is going to do anything to solve such problems then you are dilliousional my friend.

jack pippy

i know but something has to be done our representitives have not done much in the past but maybe someday they;ll wake up and smell the roses and stop speeding around in their luxury cars while us as civilians have to do much of the nitty gritty stuff ourselves maybe some day this will happen unfortunatly im not very optimistic my friend

blankAs

People People People, whats going on? Here is a person thats willing to do something and just gets put down... for what?
Something does need to be done, i wouldnt agree with the contacting of representatives, not sure what that will do. but its great that someone somewhere can see the true picture,cares and wants to do something. if only there were more like them.....
The feeling of community is almost non exsistent in this town, just look at the turn out for the fabulous lights turning on event.
With this format i.e boards.ie,we are afforded a great opportunity to discuss issues and begin to propose solutions, lets use it properly and not just whinge at each other.

gnl92

Hi, im thinking of purchasing a holiday home in pebble beach for the family and they are available from as little as 40k, going down to look at some friday as i know that tramore has a lovely beach and there would be plenty of activity for the children but i would really appreciate some honest info on the apartments in pebble beach and some info on the town itself- iknow that nowhere is pristine perfect but im speaking with the happiness of the wife and kids in mind- we dont go really in for the party scene as none of us drink but we like walks and i like to go jogging - thanks very much.

decies

Open the bloody toilets all year round it's a bloody disgrace !!!

Sully

gnl92 wrote: »

Hi, im thinking of purchasing a holiday home in pebble beach for the family and they are available from as little as 40k, going down to look at some friday as i know that tramore has a lovely beach and there would be plenty of activity for the children but i would really appreciate some honest info on the apartments in pebble beach and some info on the town itself- iknow that nowhere is pristine perfect but im speaking with the happiness of the wife and kids in mind- we dont go really in for the party scene as none of us drink but we like walks and i like to go jogging - thanks very much.

I think you wont have any issues and will enjoy having a holiday home in a central location. Its a lovely town, the people are friendly, there is plenty to do, ample shopping, beauty salons, hairdressers, good nightlife scene (for all ages), stuff to do for the kids indoors and outdoors and so on.

Nightlife wise.. you have a good few to choose from including St Leger, Raglan Road (soon to be renamed Sally O'Brien's), Duffy's Bar in the Grand Hotel, The Victoria House (The Vic), The Seahorse, Murph's, O'Shea's Hotel and The Majestic Hotel. Most of the above named pubs have live music throughout the weekend and the Ragland Road, Duffy's Bar, The Vic, the Seahorse, O'Shea's and The Majestic Hotel do food.

There are some fantastic award winning restaurants including The Market St, Raglan Road, The Grand Hotel, The Vee Bistro, The Victoria House, The Seahorse, O'Shea's, Voujon Cafe (Indian) and Sunshine (Chinese) and the Majestic. Spoiled for choice again. Some operate throughout the day if you want lunch or coffee, and most do Sunday lunch.

There is a few indoor entertainment centers including Pirates Adventure, a purpose built indoor family entertainment centre. It offers a wide variety of leisure activities all built around a pirate theme. A glow in the dark Golf, Mini-Bowling lanes, Kids Go-Kart, Bouncy Castle and more. That's close enough. Then you have the outdoor and indoor arcades.

Surfing is also an option and you can go body boarding or kite surfing - Tramore Surf Shop & Surf School and Skyhigh Kitesurfing spring to mind as an option. Perhaps even a tour of the county of Waterford with Tramore Bike Tours?

There are some lovely walks around the town - walk the loop starting at Pebble Beach, down onto the Promenade, up through Riverstown, down along Tivoli, and back to Pebble Beach. Alternatively, walk up along the outer ring road, and along the road to Newtown Cove. You can also walk along the beautiful beach and promenade, popular with joggers and walkers. A long walk down to the Sand dunes is also an option.

Tramore is quiet 9/10 months of the year- its the summer season that things pick up and the influx of tourists adds to the crowds but rarely anything to worry about. You would be living in a busier area during the summer depending on the location within Pebble Beach of the house.

Pebble Beach also rent out apartments, so pop into reception and speak with Cathy and the team for a bit of help if your not familiar with the town and are looking for some advise. She will have Discover Tramore Holiday Maps (walking and driving guides for the town and surrounding areas) and the Town Holiday Brochure.

Loads of information on discovertramore.ie. Pop on here with any questions or send me a PM, happy to help

gnl92

Thanks very much for the info, sounds like there is plenty to do, the only thing really stopping me is that the apartments will become worthless in time and that the place turns into a ghost estate or something but no one can predict these things, i just dont fancy being in my 50s and stuck with a bunch of teenagers overhead drinking throughout a weeks holiday, but i cant see them really falling any lower in value as they are now- thankyou for giving such a detailed reply and your time.

realworld82

do not purchase in Pebble Beach, it is the equivalent to living in a timber garden shed,

blankAs

a timber shed might have a little more insulation than a pebble beach! those places were thrown up in a rush, painters following plasterers etc. They are only ever going to be a source of trouble and even if i was given one i would not take it.
due to the rent allowance rates available, pebble beach is one of the few places in tramore that a person can rent if they want to get rent allowance as the monthly rent is e400 and so the place is quickly filling up with lower income households, im not dissing low income households but it has been proven that this social experiment doesnt work, the word ghetto springs to mind.

gnl92

I went down and actually thought they were ok , bigger than i expected, im thinking of just using it as a getaway holiday home for about the next ten years until the kids grow up, the money is what my mum left me so i really want to put it to good use but im getting mixed messages , i like the thought of being near the beach but would be worried if the area was not being looked after correctly and if there was social problems there- is the area busy in the summer - i would be worried if it was being "let go", i noticed that alot have been sold in the last 3 years and im wondering why, i noticed that one buyer bought in march 2011 and sold again for the same price that august, and another buyer sold 12 months after purchase for the same price, did they realise they had made a big mistake and got out as quickly as possible?, in saying that these were the only 2 cases out of about 60 sales in the last 3 years so it does mean that they sell, _ any info , maybe from a present or previous owner would mean an awful lot, thanks.

wellboy76

gnl92 wrote: »

I went down and actually thought they were ok , bigger than i expected, im thinking of just using it as a getaway holiday home for about the next ten years until the kids grow up, the money is what my mum left me so i really want to put it to good use but im getting mixed messages , i like the thought of being near the beach but would be worried if the area was not being looked after correctly and if there was social problems there- is the area busy in the summer - i would be worried if it was being "let go", i noticed that alot have been sold in the last 3 years and im wondering why, i noticed that one buyer bought in march 2011 and sold again for the same price that august, and another buyer sold 12 months after purchase for the same price, did they realise they had made a big mistake and got out as quickly as possible?, in saying that these were the only 2 cases out of about 60 sales in the last 3 years so it does mean that they sell, _ any info , maybe from a present or previous owner would mean an awful lot, thanks.

Why don't you rent one for this summer and see how it goes rather than going two footed in with a decision. Good luck with whatever you decide to do and welcome to the town

rasper

I think for that money they have great potential however it will require an active management.
Note that other apartments in the town selling at a similar price

sparkling sea

tbayers wrote: »

See douch bags like you cop on and get up off your arse and have a proper look around for yourself! Tramore has countless amounts of community services, your just so blind you can't see them:rolleyes:

Or maybe your just looking through rose tinted glasses.

I live in Tramore and if it wasn't for negative equity I'd be out of there in a flash. Anything positive anyone living in Tramore can pass on to us non original Tramorers would be more then appreciated - by me at the very least.

rasper

sparkling sea wrote: »

Or maybe your just looking through rose tinted glasses.

I live in Tramore and if it wasn't for negative equity I'd be out of there in a flash. Anything positive anyone living in Tramore can pass on to us non original Tramorers would be more then appreciated - by me at the very least.

I'm one of those jon original tramorers and can honestly say at this in time tyere is no where else in the country id rather live

mozattack

Tramore = coldest place on Earth.

blankAs

Aint this a great debate happening in the about the metalman, once again in tramore we have the peoples front of tramore, the tramore peoples front and the popular front of tramore, cant we all just get along and help each other?? or must everything be done behind doors in the form of private meetings and sweet pillow talk! tramore is dieing a death, business' are getting into more and more trouble and many properties in tramore are now in the hands of nama. Even community projects are not safe, the childcare place on the branch road is closing down, from what iv heard from people with kids in there this is an absolute lifeline for them and their children and now it is just being removed. do we realy live in a town where more effort goes into tourism rather than necessary community facility's?!!

Brick Session

blankAs wrote: »

Aint this a great debate happening in the about the metalman, once again in tramore we have the peoples front of tramore, the tramore peoples front and the popular front of tramore, cant we all just get along and help each other?? or must everything be done behind doors in the form of private meetings and sweet pillow talk! tramore is dieing a death, business' are getting into more and more trouble and many properties in tramore are now in the hands of nama. Even community projects are not safe, the childcare place on the branch road is closing down, from what iv heard from people with kids in there this is an absolute lifeline for them and their children and now it is just being removed. do we realy live in a town where more effort goes into tourism rather than necessary community facility's?!!

I could be totally wrong and open to correction (cue Sully) but I think the Metalman and its future has become a victim of an internal Fine Gael feud which is unfortunate for progression in Tramore.

blankAs

dont think its just an internal fine geal feud, think its more like too many people with their fingers in too many holes. just look at the board of directors, how many other things are these people involved in? Yes they are great people blah blah blah but why dont they allow other people to get involved and provide complete transparency for their projects. yes i know theres a town council meeting tonight regarding the metalman but do we realy trust these people? i think its time for a general assembly in tramore and allow the people to make their views known. anyone out there been invloved in the general assembly process? i propose the cannons field as a location.

Yaxihy

blankAs wrote: »

dont think its just an internal fine geal feud, think its more like too many people with their fingers in too many holes. just look at the board of directors, how many other things are these people involved in? Yes they are great people blah blah blah but why dont they allow other people to get involved and provide complete transparency for their projects. yes i know theres a town council meeting tonight regarding the metalman but do we realy trust these people? i think its time for a general assembly in tramore and allow the people to make their views known. anyone out there been invloved in the general assembly process? i propose the cannons field as a location.

The local and European elections are next year, that's when you express your preference for who you want representing you and this decision can be based on how much you trust them.

There is no process that I know of, to arrange a "general assembly" as you're referring to it...

Psychedelic

blankAs wrote:

do we realy live in a town where more effort goes into tourism rather than necessary community facility's?!!

The tourism groups put their effort goes into tourism, community facilities like that childcare place are not their responsibility.

blankAs wrote: »

dont think its just an internal fine geal feud, think its more like too many people with their fingers in too many holes. just look at the board of directors, how many other things are these people involved in? Yes they are great people blah blah blah but why dont they allow other people to get involved and provide complete transparency for their projects. yes i know theres a town council meeting tonight regarding the metalman but do we realy trust these people? i think its time for a general assembly in tramore and allow the people to make their views known. anyone out there been invloved in the general assembly process? i propose the cannons field as a location.

I take it you are part of all this carry-on on Facebook in support of the three Town Councillors (Maxine Keoghan, Ann Marie Power, Pat Finnerty) who have opposed Tramore Tourism's proposal for the Metalman? i.e. spreading lies and misinformation, and trying to fear monger about the so-called 'private' company being set up.

I noticed you are repeating the same accusations as on the Voice of the Metalman Facebook page such as "behind closed doors" etc, well Tramore Tourism has been open about their plans and have now called a public meeting to discuss them, hope that satisfies you. Most things in life get done "behind closed doors" in various meetings, it's not a big conspiracy to keep the public out.

I don't know why you have a problem with Tramore Tourism. Honestly, what is your grudge against them, because it is clear you have a chip on your shoulder about them. If you can't trust them then who can you trust in the town? What exactly are you worried about, that they are going to flog off the Metalman to some billionaire who will turn it into a block of flats?

Sully

So much negativity lately, its depressing.

blankAs

The tourism groups put their effort goes into tourism, community facilities like that childcare place are not their responsibility.
it seems the people who are involved with the tourism groups are also involved with the community groups, not nameing names but a quick look at the board of directors will show up the same names again and again. all well and good looking great on all these boards but do some work!

i am part of no carry on on facebook, ha love that phrase 'carry on', i dont have a grudge against tramore tourism just dont see why so much effort should be going into tourism when there are citizens of this town in need of help and services that arnt being provided. i on the fence on the metal man issue, the queen of england can take it into her ownership for all i care, its not realy the most pressing issue at the moment when you take away all of the media/facebook hype.
what makes me chuckle is the no bad media policy of TT, is this why noone wants to talk about the poverty, hunger, heroin and housing problem in this town?? the people of this town are failing and the place on the branch road, the meeting place its called was providing help and support to people that realy need it and now heres another service being removed but all the councillers are too busy to care because of a pillar with a lump of metal on it. take care of people first, then metal.
yeah yeah it could create jobs and all that bollox but deal with the crisis' at hand first, ensure the people of the town are doing alright. tramore has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country, yet noone wants to talk about the problem, is this due to TT no negitive media policy?

Brick Session

blankAs wrote: »

The tourism groups put their effort goes into tourism, community facilities like that childcare place are not their responsibility.
it seems the people who are involved with the tourism groups are also involved with the community groups, not nameing names but a quick look at the board of directors will show up the same names again and again. all well and good looking great on all these boards but do some work!

i am part of no carry on on facebook, ha love that phrase 'carry on', i dont have a grudge against tramore tourism just dont see why so much effort should be going into tourism when there are citizens of this town in need of help and services that arnt being provided. i on the fence on the metal man issue, the queen of england can take it into her ownership for all i care, its not realy the most pressing issue at the moment when you take away all of the media/facebook hype.
what makes me chuckle is the no bad media policy of TT, is this why noone wants to talk about the poverty, hunger, heroin and housing problem in this town?? the people of this town are failing and the place on the branch road, the meeting place its called was providing help and support to people that realy need it and now heres another service being removed but all the councillers are too busy to care because of a pillar with a lump of metal on it. take care of people first, then metal.
yeah yeah it could create jobs and all that bollox but deal with the crisis' at hand first, ensure the people of the town are doing alright. tramore has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country, yet noone wants to talk about the problem, is this due to TT no negitive media policy?

I think you will find that the same peoples names are cropping up again and again is because they have an interest in developing Tramore on many fronts. It could very well be that they have vested interests for example, they might run a business that may benefit from any given project, well that can not be a bad thing because somewhere along the line it will benefit someones family in Tramore by generating a job perhpas that will in turn generate income that may be spent in Tramore. That surely can't be a bad thing.

As for Tramore Tourism and Community Facilities, is that not like suggesting that the Depratment of Health should get involved with issues concerning the Department of Transport? 2 completely seperate entities with seperate briefs.

Now in my opinion, issues such as the one you have mentioned, the Childcare facility on the Branch Road, and if I could add my own, the Gael Scoil now in its 28th year waiting for a permanent school building are issues that should be brought to our local representatives and TD's. We should get off our own arses and speak up, we have a vote and its important we use it. Voter turnout is dismaly poor in recent elections but yet we then complain when we don't like what the current administration is doing. I include myself in that comment too by the way (although I did vote for Fine Gael in the last election

Psychedelic

blankAs wrote: »

i am part of no carry on on facebook, ha love that phrase 'carry on', i dont have a grudge against tramore tourism just dont see why so much effort should be going into tourism when there are citizens of this town in need of help and services that arnt being provided. i on the fence on the metal man issue, the queen of england can take it into her ownership for all i care, its not realy the most pressing issue at the moment when you take away all of the media/facebook hype.

All fair enough, I just thought you might have had something to do with it.

blankAs wrote: »

what makes me chuckle is the no bad media policy of TT, is this why noone wants to talk about the poverty, hunger, heroin and housing problem in this town??

Those are all social problems which have nothing to do with TT, and it would be inappropriate for them to comment on stuff they don't have knowledge and expertise of. I think their 'no bad media' policy is fine. I think their policy is more to do with things like, say if TT is concerned that a part of the beach is dirty, they won't go to the media criticising the Council and thereby advertise a negative thing to potential visitors. I'd accept though that the social issues you mention need to be talked about.

blankAs wrote: »

the people of this town are failing and the place on the branch road, the meeting place its called was providing help and support to people that realy need it and now heres another service being removed but all the councillers are too busy to care because of a pillar with a lump of metal on it. take care of people first, then metal.

I think it's unfair to blame that on the Metal Man project, and it's only a few councillors who have opposed the project and created this whole furor when there should have been none. But you are right that stuff like the Meeting Place needs councillors and other people to fight for it.

Sully

Don't feed the troll tbh.

blankAs

trust me, this is far from trolling, this is opening a debate, thought you'd be up for a good debate sully, no?!
i do not blame the metalman project for the failures of the town but it is detracting from the real issues in the town. why are the councillers not up in arms about the gealscoil and the meeting place, why is the people of the town not? why are community resources not at the forefront of the main issues?
social issues should be of concern to TT, do people realy want to visit a place with such social issues like unemployment(statistics), poverty (visable and invisable), drug abuse (visit tramore house to view used needles ect), paedophiles living in around the holiday accomidation area (was informed by a reputable source), lack of community facilitys for young people (just have a look around or outside tesco), lack of a cohesive community but then again if we just dont talk about it they wont know about it. however if we just dont talk about it nothing will get done and it will only get worse for the town of tramore.

Sully

blankAs wrote: »

trust me, this is far from trolling, this is opening a debate, thought you'd be up for a good debate sully, no?!
i do not blame the metalman project for the failures of the town but it is detracting from the real issues in the town. why are the councillers not up in arms about the gealscoil and the meeting place, why is the people of the town not? why are community resources not at the forefront of the main issues?
social issues should be of concern to TT, do people realy want to visit a place with such social issues like unemployment(statistics), poverty (visable and invisable), drug abuse (visit tramore house to view used needles ect), paedophiles living in around the holiday accomidation area (was informed by a reputable source), lack of community facilitys for young people (just have a look around or outside tesco), lack of a cohesive community but then again if we just dont talk about it they wont know about it. however if we just dont talk about it nothing will get done and it will only get worse for the town of tramore.

I think your trolling because your refusing to accept that the tourism bodies job is only that (though Tramore Tourism does veer into other areas the council should be working on) - promoting tourism in the town. They feel the trail and Metal Man is important for local tourism and will be asking the council to give them the nod. Tramore relies on tourism. Its the life blood for the town. It always was, well before you and I were born.

Yes the town has other issues that the council / government should be focusing on but you can't expect other important areas of the town to be neglected or ignored. Tramore Tourism should not be offering to take over these issues from the state, because its not their responsibility. Nor is it any other tourism group that is present, locally or nationally.

If you feel so strongly about these issues - create your own body that will campaign and seek to highlight and fund the problems you see. There is nothing stopping you from doing that but don't expect other important areas of the town to be ignored.

tbayers

BlankAs, have you publicly stated who you actually are yet?? You question the amount of directors on all these different boards, yet why isn't your name on them?? Its not as easy as turning up and becoming a director, you must put your time in. And before you ask, I have stated on these forums what my real name is!

however if we just dont talk about it nothing will get done and it will only get worse for the town of tramore.

This is very ironic, you seem to be doing all the talking and no actions. If im wrong then publicly state your name so we can all see the amazing work you do in the community.

Tramore Tourism is probably one of the best organisations in the country. Sully is dead right, tourism is a huge, if not the biggest factor in the economy of Tramore.

You also said that councillors should worry less about a piece of metal than on the state of Tramore itself. Its projects like the metal man that will have a positive impact on the future of Tramore. A fully operational heritage trail will be huge, not only to visitors of Tramore but to the residents of Tramore. Now the "community" will have somewhere to enjoy a nice relaxing stroll on a purpose built trail.

blankAs

well isnt that just what the people need, another place for a nice relaxing stroll!!
yes the councillers should be focusing on the people rather than metal. Having heard more about the meeting place why are they not jumping up and down over this? your a funny boy tho, put time into being a director!! realy seriously have a look at the people on various organisations and ask them how much work they are realy doing for these organisations. i appreciate that some of them named do Trojan work and are fantastic community leaders and for that i am thankful they are here but others just put their name to something just too look good.

due to my involvement with various organisations and my employment i can not state my name as i dont want to be seen representing any organisation with my views. i do identify myself a meetings, publicly etc but on this site i wont be as i think it should be used for debate of issues affecting the place in a more public fourm but with out the fear of reprisals. we all know what tramore is like, say one wrong thing and the place is up in arms, the torch holding villagers will get ya! and please tell me how you know my name is not on one or two of those lists of directors flying around the place?? or is it TT is out to get me over my negitive portrayal of tramore and telling people of all is not well in tramore??!

As for TT being involved in community facilitys i believe that they should, just as the dept of health be involved in the dept of transport then perhaps we might have a more efficent and effective country. fyi its called intergrated planning or collective planing. the state of the community will have impacts upon tourism as people do not want to visit a failing unharmonious community. if the community is provided for then people will want to visit and stay but if the community is ignored it will shine through once they come here.
are you in fact serious about setting up another group?! what should i call it, the popular front of tramore, tramore popular peoples front....... thats exactly what we need is yet another group in the town. i am involved in various organisations and so see the ridiculous of tramore through my workings with these organisations and the ridiculousness of having so many different organisations with no-one working together on issues that affect them all.m

tbayers

How can TT be out to get you if nobody knows who you are?

Look at the end of the day this is a debating forum, I have nothing against you as a person, just maybe what you believe in. I think you are trying to lead people to believe that Tramore is like a third world town. Yes it has its problems but the streets arent being over run by drug lords and the children of Tramore arent falling by the way side. BUT, I am sure there are a few unique cases, and thats all. My reason for saying this, I live in Tramore and involved in a few children organisations.

well isnt that just what the people need, another place for a nice relaxing stroll!!

Well you seem to be against anything positive for Tramore lately, the Flowrider and now this?

Sully

Mod Note:

Can we keep the issue of the Metal Man to the other thread, rather than splitting it over two threads, thanks.

Also I am beginning to think this conversation has gone as far as it can go. Blaming existing community groups for not addressing social issues isn't how society works - that's not and nor should it be their responsibility. Its not how the world or our country operates, and nor can it. Leave Discover Tramore, Tramore Tourism, Failte Ireland etc. work on promoting Tramore - that's their job, and that's all they should be doing. Tourism is the lifeblood of Tramore, without it the town would struggle and you would see many businesses close. The town isn't in the state your describing either.

So, I am going to insist that we step back from the direction this thread has gone and deal with facts and reality. Blaming any of the above named groups for other issues is an irrelevant point and that's that. The council can work on the matter, as can the government state bodies. Blame them, write to them or setup your own dedicated group to deal with the issues you feel are important and you can focus just on that while other groups focus on what they were setup to do.

Its as simple as that so lets leave it like that.

Thanks.

tbayers

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1 does the town provide adequatly for you to lead a fun fulfilling life?
2 is there one community or a gathering of many community's with little links?
3 what would you like to see in tramore? services, facilitys?
4 where in tramore is the biggest eyesore?
5 where is the shining light in the town?
6 what do you think is the biggest social problem in the town?
7 where is the biggest social problem?
8 what would you like to see happen in the town?
9 do you benefit from tourism? directly, indirectly?

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. More money spent on the beach area, our best resource.
4. The present day park, delighted its getting re hashed!
5. The people
6. Not enough pubs = not enough choice!
7. ...
8. Flowrider boi
9. Yes, everybody does, no tourism, no money equals more rates for your average Joe, so we indirectly benefit from it.

Do these answers help?