N7 death-wish pedestrian

TheBazman

Heading down the N7 from Dublin today, just starting to rain in fairly heavy traffic and out of nowhere there is a guy walking against the traffic in the outside lane. Thing is I looked around for a while and there was no car broken down anywhere, and even if there was I dont know why he would be walking on that side of the road

Ignore the quality and the date/time stamp - I also slowed it down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2gtLJPKyg

ottostreet

Crazy bastard!

Senna

"i'm going to find that hub-cap if i have to walk the whole way to Dublin"

MugMugs

Wasn't this fellow, was it? http://www.thejournal.ie/man-to-walk-from-limerick-to-dublin-hoping-to-form-political-party-446500-May2012/

jwilco

Fool

bijapos

Possibly trying to cross the road and waiting for a break in the traffic?

Looks a bit crazy alright.



(btw in before someone mentions you're in the outside lane when the middle lane is free :pac:)

clappyhappy

How stupid can you get, that is ridiculous,

eringobragh

Jesus! I was just expecting a vid of someone in the hardshoulder but that's just nuts!

CiniO

How does it go in line with rule I heard here, that it's always driver fault if pedestrian is killed in Ireland?

Would a driver be liable if this pedestrian was killed?

MugMugs

CiniO wrote: »

Would a driver be liable if this pedestrian was killed?

Probably

THall04

CiniO wrote: »

Would a driver be liable if this pedestrian was killed?

Hmmmm....its not motorway(N7 not M7)....so it could be argued that he was entitled to enjoy a brisk walk along a country road , and if you knocked him down then its your fault for not driving without due care and attention....:rolleyes:

Love to know how he got there.........sum lad to run across 3 lanes of traffic....

CiniO

THall04 wrote: »

Hmmmm....its not motorway(N7 not M7)....so it could be argued that he was entitled to enjoy a brisk walk along a country road , and if you knocked him down then its your fault for not driving without due care and attention....:rolleyes:

Love to know how he got there.........sum lad to run across 3 lanes of traffic.

I know it's not motorway, but he was still on the wrong side of carriageway:

(4) Subject to sub-article (5), save when crossing the roadway, a pedestrian shall use a footway if one is provided, and if one is not provided, shall keep as near as possible to the right edge of the roadway.

Victor

I agree it isn't sensible for him to be there, but it seems to be legal and he is walking on the right against traffic, which is what pedestrians are instructed to do. He's just doing it all wrong.

TheBazman

Legal or not it certainly was stupid. Also he didnt look like someone who was trying to get across the road - he was just strolling along.

911s

He may have been waiting for you to move from outside overtaking lane into empty
centre lane!!!!!

v240gltse

hi

must be the same guy i saw on my way home on the N7 yesterday . from what i could see he had crossed over from the other side of the dual carriage way and was trying i guess to get to the Poitin Stil for a pint :mad::mad::mad::mad: though i could be wrong.

what a crazy crazy lunatic trying to cross a busy road in the heavy rain, so what if some innocent driver had hit this tool and kills him can you imagine having to live with that for the rest of your days and the fact that it wasn't your fault.

brendan

chughes

Maybe he fell off his sulky and the horse ran off.

MarkR

If you'd only slow down a bit he could have sold you a paper or washed your windscreen..

haminka

I see this kind of muppets crossing the N3 every morning, they don't walk along the motorway, they cross it, even pushing their bikes. Nothing can surprise me anymore.

MugMugs

haminka wrote: »

I see this kind of muppets crossing the N3 every morning, they don't walk along the motorway, they cross it, even pushing their bikes. Nothing can surprise me anymore.

The N3 is not a Motorway. It's a National Primary Route. The M3 is a Motorway. It's not illegal to walk on the N3

The clue is in the first letter.

WhatNowForUs?

TheBazman wrote: »

Heading down the N7 from Dublin today, just starting to rain in fairly heavy traffic and out of nowhere there is a guy walking against the traffic in the outside lane. Thing is I looked around for a while and there was no car broken down anywhere, and even if there was I dont know why he would be walking on that side of the road

Ignore the quality and the date/time stamp - I also slowed it down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2gtLJPKyg

If you slowed the video down it shows that you were to close to the car in front even in dry conditions.

MugMugs

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

If you slowed the video down it shows that you were to close to the car in front even in dry conditions.

What's that got to do with the price of cabbage?

Anan1

MugMugs wrote: »

What's that got to do with the price of cabbage?

For the sake of argument, it would directly effect how late he saw the pedestrian. IMO the biggest danger of tailgating isn't hitting the car in front it's having your view blocked by them.

MugMugs

Anan1 wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

What's that got to do with the price of cabbage?

For the sake of argument, it would directly effect how late he saw the pedestrian. IMO the biggest danger of tailgating isn't hitting the car in front it's having your view blocked by them.

A bit of a pedantic statement though.

Also the level of perspective from those dash cams varies. My one shows me really far back when tailgating. My go pro shows me quite close when far back. Personally I think its hard to accurately call that and furthermore unfair to deviate from the opening post and start slamming the OP. Nobody here is flawless.

Anan1

MugMugs wrote: »

A bit of a pedantic statement though.

Also the level of perspective from those dash cams varies. My one shows me really far back when tailgating. My go pro shows me quite close when far back. Personally I think its hard to accurately call that and furthermore unfair to deviate from the opening post and start slamming the OP. Nobody here is flawless.

I'd agree that it's hard to say whether the OP was tailgating, for the reasons you gave above. It is true, though, that tailgating gives one a lot less time to react to a situation like the one the OP encountered. I wouldn't so much see it as having a go at the OP as all of us learning as much as we can from the incident.

mitchaul

Silly man, only has to be clipped and he's a gonner. As for crossing, not a chance in that traffic.

Dirkster

chughes wrote: »

Maybe he fell off his sulky and the horse ran off.

Haha, It's the only reasonable answer, I think it's been cracked!!:D

delta_bravo

That stretch of road from Rathcoole to Kill was incredibly dangerous before they redid the N7. The lights at Kill were infamous for accidents. My own grandfather was killed on the road near there in the 80s by a drink driver. This guy clearly has a deathwish.

Jimbob 83

What kind of car are you driving OP, wipers look strange

haminka

MugMugs wrote: »

The N3 is not a Motorway. It's a National Primary Route. The M3 is a Motorway. It's not illegal to walk on the N3

The clue is in the first letter.

I didn't say anything about illegal. But it certainly is dangerous to walk across 4 lanes with cars driving 100/120 km/h /as this happens right where the M3 changes to N3/ and I feel sorry for the driver who will inevitably one day collide with a moron dressed all in dark clothes crossing a four-lane motorway early in the morning when it's still dark.

Joe 90

MugMugs wrote: »

Probably

The fact is that the driver has insurance so he must be at fault. Deepest pocket looses.

MugMugs

Joe 90 wrote: »

The fact is that the driver has insurance so he must be at fault. Deepest pocket looses.

That and the fact that somebody bundling a tonne and a half of metal around a road with a fine engine to assist in the task generally is expected to be a lot more careful than a pedestrian "who your honour, was only trying to get home to his kids"

The laws an ass...

Mycroft H

Anan1 wrote: »

For the sake of argument, it would directly effect how late he saw the pedestrian. IMO the biggest danger of tailgating isn't hitting the car in front it's having your view blocked by them.

+1

Ped takes less then 2 seconds from the rear of car in front to the front of OP's car. Should be 4 or more in those conditions.

Would not have been much of a surprise then

TheBazman

bijapos wrote: »

(btw in before someone mentions you're in the outside lane when the middle lane is free :pac:)

Thanks for that - it didnt take long for that comment. Dont want to go more off topic than this only to say I can guarantee you that I will always more to the inside lane when the opportunity is there to do it. Nothing frustrates me more than people hogging the overtaking lane. The fact is that it was rush hour traffic. There were lots of cars to my left hand side that you cant see

911s wrote: »

He may have been waiting for you to move from outside overtaking lane into empty
centre lane!!!!!

great - again thanks for that - see above

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

If you slowed the video down it shows that you were to close to the car in front even in dry conditions.

As other posters have said you dont always get the correct perspective from these cams. If you notice there was quite a distance from the car in front until the traffic slowed down - I then used the adequate space ahead of me to slow down gradually when the traffic ahead slowed down on seeing the pedestrian, thus not needing to slam on brakes forcing a chain reaction behind me.

Jimbob 83 wrote: »

What kind of car are you driving OP, wipers look strange

5 series

fasttalkerchat

CiniO wrote: »

How does it go in line with rule I heard here, that it's always driver fault if pedestrian is killed in Ireland?

Would a driver be liable if this pedestrian was killed?

I always assumed that meant that "When a pedestrian is killed, the driver must disprove that they are at fault."

What happens if I jump off a bridge and land on a car?
In that case the driver couldn't possibly be at fault.

MugMugs

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I always assumed that meant that "When a pedestrian is killed, the driver must disprove that they are at fault."

What happens if I jump off a bridge and land on a car?
In that case the driver couldn't possibly be at fault.

Point of impact would pretty much wrap that one up there and then.

fasttalkerchat

MugMugs wrote: »

Point of impact would pretty much wrap that one up there and then.

It would be easy to challenge that the driver is at fault in that case, but is their a law that actually says that the driver is automatically at fault? I couldn't find one.

MugMugs

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

It would be easy to challenge that the driver is at fault in that case, but is their a law that actually says that the driver is automatically at fault? I couldn't find one.

If a body came hurtling from a bridge onto a car I think liability may swing the other way in favor of the Driver.

There's no defining law stating that impacting a pedestrian is illegal. Not that I know of.

It is however a general given that when a vehicle strikes a pedestrian that the vehicle wins the immediate argument leading to injuries to the pedestrian. As such, generally outside exceptional circumstances, if it is goes to court then the Insurer is going to be exposed to serious legal costs and damages as the judge will look at the bloke with the broken legs in sympathy. As such, Liability in such cases is generally conceded and the claim settled in favor of the Plaintiff.

Mugs

tayto lover

MugMugs wrote: »

Wasn't this fellow, was it? http://www.thejournal.ie/man-to-walk-from-limerick-to-dublin-hoping-to-form-political-party-446500-May2012/

The Flat Party ?