Fringe S04E22 "Brave New World Part 2" [**SPOILERS**]

Richard Dower

DON't MISS IT!!!!!

allen175

Best episode ever! I can't believe that there is only going to be one more season (a short one at that), after that episode it feels like it could go on for 5 more seasons.

Possible spoilers

Everything is coming together for peter and olivia, and the Fringe team getting full funding, things are just falling into place for a fantastic final season! But i can't wait for next season with the observers trying to take control of the worlds. That bit with Jessica creeped the crap out of me, it was really well done!

somuj

WOWWWWWWWW

DeWitt

Jaw. Floor.

FreudianSlippers

I'm a bit speechless so... I'll just leave this here. Wow, would have been a satisfying finale for the entire show except for that last scene with Walter and September. :eek: Roll on season 5!

VinLieger

AMAZING!!!!!!

That last line setting up everything weve all been hoping for since Letters of Transit, i actually threw my fists in the air and did a little dance.

Yes Olivia being shot and then getting resurrected did feel a little forced but i dont care because of what it all means for next season which is gonna be EPIC!!!!

Machismo Fan

That actually would've been a rather nice series finale (I assume if it were their last episode they would've cut out the very last scene). A season for the Observer takeover story should be tremendous.

Redisle

Wow. Wow. That was.. wow. I didn't think they could approach the quality seen in Episode 19 again but wow..

that was awesome
and they started wrapping things up like yer man being shot and warning olivia

expectationlost

if they hadn't got another 10 they would have had to work the observers more into this episode...

CastorTroy

Interesting comment from September about Bell and co not having the knowledge to trap an Observer. Wonder where he got it from.

expectationlost

CastorTroy wrote: »

Interesting comment from September about Bell and co not having the knowledge to trap an Observer. Wonder where he got it from.

i thought he was referring to the observers

CastorTroy

I'm on about when September was trapped by the glyph or whatever and getting shot. Things they shouldn't be able to do to Observers. Or at least not yet

Shlippery

Nightmare fuel.

Stunning finale though. At the start of the season I was slow watching episodes, not bothered..but I'm so glad I gave it a chance and kept watching! Hyped for the ending now!

don ramo

i thought it was a bit tame, it looked like they were ready to wrap it, it seemed more a series finale than a season finale,

now it was good, but i was expecting maybe one or two cities getting wiped off the map at the very least, proper fringe stuff,

i had my suspicions about yer one last week and was happy to find out she was a bad guy all along, it would be nice to know where she got the tech to trap an observer from, did bell make it or what, also it was funny when they reanimated her, it would have been freaky except that they made it look funny,

i wonder is that the end of bells story now or what, id say it was an acievement getting nimoy back for them 2 episodes, hard to see them getting him back for an arch next season, unless they use that soul magnet tech again, did Bell use that bell to transport to another body or did the sound of the bell re-tune his body to move to another universe,

i know they built up the fact Olivia had to die, but i would have preferred she tore the boat apart with her mind rather than her getting shot by Walter, i assume something on the boat was absorbing her power to trigger the transformation,

all in all it was very good, but i thought it be a bit more epic, it was nice to see the set-up for season 5, i hope they go all out and make it great,

The Black Oil

An improvement on last week, particularly the last 10-15 minutes. Jaw hitting the floor was the main thrust of some comments (non-spoilery) I read before watching, but it didn't really have that effect on me.

Supernatural fans will note the similarity re how the Observer was stuck.

Once I had heard about the casting of the Jessica character a few weeks back I knew she was a baddie. Kinda glad they then interrogated her as she was killed rather rapidly. The interrogation was a nice nod to the pilot and a handy way of bringing in Nina. Let's face it, she was only there to explain the universe technobabble. Tbh, I've never been that interested in the Bell character, but he's a pretty good foil for Walter. Jackson and Noble played the scene after Olivia was shot perfectly.

I am a touched confused. Why is it Colonel/General Broyles - I thought military ranks only applied 'over there' and that he'd just be Senior/Special Agent in Charge, but then we're not strictly in 'our' universe, are we?
Thankfully they didn't tack on an extra scene of Bell lurking in the shadows just after Broyles met with the guy who granted extra funding and said searches turned up no sign of Bell.

The pregnancy, no, sorry. Plus, wouldn't her 'dying' have been a bit of a problem for the child's survial?

don ramo

The Black Oil wrote: »

The pregnancy, no, sorry. Plus, wouldn't her 'dying' have been a bit of a problem for the child's survial?

she was only dead for a few minutes, i assume a foetus could survive it, though im wide open to correction

Dempsey

The 1st part of the finale ruined the 2nd part for me.

Reminded me of Lost, probably when Mader was doing that incoherent ramblings when she was dead like her character in Lost did when she was dying.

What would have happened if it was bad weather and that boat was rocking side to side and that bell rang itself. Spock would have beamed back to the enterprise prematurely.

Then you had Nina uttering "I think I know whats going on" anytime the writers wanted to glide over brainfarted plot devices a la Lost.

The series should have ended here imo.

iguana

don ramo wrote: »

she was only dead for a few minutes, i assume a foetus could survive it, though im wide open to correction

I'm not sure if it could in real life but with a mother who's Cortexiphan can regenerate her brain completely (and restart all her vital organs) after a bullet has passed through it and killed her, it's not unreasonable to assume that the Cortexiphan could also regenerate the baby. And we know that Etta has some sort of powers as she can make the Observers see what she wants them to see when they try to scan her, so she's obviously affected by the drug.

VinLieger

don ramo wrote: »

i wonder is that the end of bells story now or what, id say it was an acievement getting nimoy back for them 2 episodes, hard to see them getting him back for an arch next season, unless they use that soul magnet tech again, did Bell use that bell to transport to another body or did the sound of the bell re-tune his body to move to another universe,

Nimoy has actually given interviews for this episode saying this is one of the few projects he has an actual passion for and that he only does stuff now that he cares about. Also we most likely will see him for at least one episode next season to explain how and why he was trapped in the amber with walter, astrid and peter in letters of transit

allen175

Creepy eyes!

tvnutz

fringe forum?

Basq

tvnutz wrote: »

fringe forum?

Merged with existing thread on Fringe forum.. and unsubbed til I catch up!

tvnutz

Basq wrote: »

Merged with existing thread on Fringe forum.. and unsubbed til I catch up!

good idea mate!!! :P

pixelburp

Huh. Did I just watch a series / season finale, of a generally respected TV show, that featured a shameless mad-scientist-destroys-the-world plot? I believe I just did.

I may be a sap, but the final moments with the Fringe 'family' was cool; particularly Astrid & Walter sharing the sweets, it showed what a charming bunch they all were.

Temptamperu

I hated it, awful, awful, awful. There was a show called Fringe years ago that was about the pattern and it had a cool cast. now it has a cool cast and all these half finished stories and commercials for nissan and sprint mobile.

What the hell was that?

****e in a bucket it was.

omniscient_toad

I didn't hate it or anything, I just felt, slightly let down . I think a lot of story got rushed into the last few episodes, for a few reasons; one was the uncertainty over a renewal and another was Nimoy's availability, which was probably leapt on to belatedly turn him into the focal point of the seasons events, (in the process abruptly swatting poor crowbar wielding Jones from the story).

I just felt that this wasn't the same subtle show that carefully uncoiled over seasons I'd come to love. After agonising over the ethics of overwriting a separate Olivia personality everything was bizarrely ok'd and swept under the carpet through the deus ex machina assertions of September that "it's fine Peter, she is your Olivia". It might be just me but it felt as if the end of the season lacked a sense of scope, as if the events were belatedly cooked up late into this season and bore little relevance to the overall arc of the program.

This is again a personal thing, but it started to feel uncomfortably obsessed with the Peter/Olivia love story above all else, absolutely everything tied into it, from their child being central to the future, to their bond saving the world via midair universe hopping helicopter jump (,while holding hands, awww). Even Peter stranded out of his own timeline was effectively wrapped up entirely based on their relationship, the entire world and everyone he knew in it was gone, replaced by something similar but different, but everything was fine the minute he got his old girlfriend back (and had the ensuing relationship blessed by the thoughtful September).

Also, mother of god, those "beyond the grave" eyeballs/little girl chants were disturbing.

FreudianSlippers

I see what you're saying totally.... it's as though the show had to pitch themselves as a different show to the network in order to seem more appealing for another season. If the alternative is no more episodes, then I'll take this TBH. I would be shocked and disappointed if this is the end of the red-verse as well; I've been right about red herrings (no pun intended) before and I think I'm right here too!

don ramo

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I see what you're saying totally.... it's as though the show had to pitch themselves as a different show to the network in order to seem more appealing for another season. If the alternative is no more episodes, then I'll take this TBH. I would be shocked and disappointed if this is the end of the red-verse as well; I've been right about red herrings (no pun intended) before and I think I'm right here too!

well if they did adjust the show to get renewed they can now toss that idea aside and get back to good old meaty sci-fi, im hoping Fringe doesn't turn out like Chuck and just give up due to the fact its the last season,

Spideog Rua

I want to see the other ending. Bit underwelmed for the most part.

Antar Bolaeisk

Spideog Rua wrote: »

I want to see the other ending. Bit underwelmed for the most part.

I'd say the other ending just didn't bother with the Observer bit at the end.

Bit of a roller coaster episode and I can definitely see where people are coming from with it all felling a bit rushed. To a certain extent I can accept it as they were racing to save the world despite some of it being a bit jarring.

With regards to the Red Universe surely they can re-open the doorway now that the threat of Jones/Spock is over?

The dead red head was incredibly creepy, the eyes and expressions going everywhere making her seem like some form of broken robot.

What ever happened to the new form shapeshifters, was that ever wrapped up or are they still at large?

Yakuza

It was ok, there was far too much exposition from Nina. Why would she need a job from Broyles, or is MD defunct in this timeline? Confused.com

Looking forward to S5 with the Observers.

Patty O Furniture

Couldnt resist watching it at the w/end, but better in HD, dead redhead definitely creepy :eek:

Maybe Broyles thought Nina would be the ideal person for leading up this division like none other?

Glad the show won over the execs at Fox with a smaller 5th season order, as they realised they were losing money on the show & finally wrap it up with a decent series ending, compared to the many shows they canned to the unfortunate but devoted fans that followed patiently & passionately every week.

ziggy

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BlitzKrieg

Fringe is over

But I get a fix of peter bishop with the mighty ducks on tv at the moment

Lord TSC

I love Fringe. But if I'm being honest, I wasn't that impressed by that as a season finale for the series. It wasn't bad. It just wasn't amazing like Fringe tends to be.

I HATE stories which revolve around the main character "dying". They always inevitably lead to a cop out ending where a character technically dies but doesn't really, and thus tend to be boringly predictable and annoying. And Fringe's version was made worse by the fact that "Letters in Transit" showed she had to have a kid before she died, which completely spoiled the already obvious fact Olivia was bulletproof in the finale of the series. I also felt that they didn't really spend any time going over the fact that Walter just shot her dead, bullet to the brain. Peter got a bit upset but then they all seemed fine with it afterwards. Maybe they will come back to it, but I thought more should have been made of the fact Walter was so willing to just shoot Olivia and hope she came back.

Honestly, as much as I loved "Letters in Transit", looking back, as already said, it spoiled too much of the current storyline. Even though they tried to remain mysterious about what happened Olivia, the fact her daughter was there gave too much away. I actually think it would have made a better season finale; I would have prefered if it aired NOW, after this episode. In fact, part of my is hoping that next series, we just jump back ahead to the Observer controlled world. My worry is that with only 13 episodes to go, they will have to rush this "invasion", so I think I'd rather that they just move the entire show forward the 20 odd years and supplement the story with occasional flashbacks to show how they got ambered and so forth. That way, we can cover years worth of an invasion story without trying to cram too much in.

Your one from Lost was so obviously a bad guy; you don't cast someone like her not to have her have a bigger role than she had last week. The Observer's Devil Trap (Supernatural reference ftw :P) and the Super-speed gun were interesting but I have a worry we won't go back to them except in a throwaway line.

I just feel that compared to how strong Fringe can be, this episode was really predictable, had no long term affect on the show (as opposed to the alternate universe cliffhangers, Peter disappearing from the time line, etc) and was just a run-of-the-mill episode. I know it's bad that we can complain about an episode only being good, but it's a problem with Fringe; when you deliever a show at a consistantly "Great" level, a dip to "good" hurts and frustrates.