Would you like to see Kidney appointed Head Coach of your province?

clsmooth

I know both Ulster and Munster have now had their new head coaches confirmed, but would you have been happy to see him appointed as head coach at your province? Would also like to hear from the Connacht and Leinster fans, if for arguments sake, Elwood and Schmidt were leaving this summer.

Fishooks12

He's on contract with Ireland for another year


/thread

Tox56

Would I like to see Joe Schmidt replaced with Declan Kidney?

In short, no.

clsmooth

Tox56 wrote: »

Would I like to see Joe Schmidt replaced with Declan Kidney?

In short, no.

It's a a no for me also. But I'm just interested as at the end of the 6 nations there was a poll where quite a few people were happy for him to stay on. Just wonder if these same people would want him at their province

clsmooth

Fishooks12 wrote: »

He's on contract with Ireland for another year


/thread

Hypothetically. We all know hes going no where

part time punk

Ah misread thread title about your province so as a Leinster fan voted yes for Munster.

Teferi

In all honesty a good head coach should be moving on to bigger and better things while also leaving their former team in good shape.

Nick Mallet is an example of a coach who's stock has grown from coaching Italy. He done his best with a largely limited team and instilled an admirable passion and loyalty in his team. He should be aiming for another big job.

Joe Schmidt is another coach who will have the pick of jobs after his time at Leinster has finished. A good coach who brought an already good team onto another level of greatness.

Kidney, like Eddie before him will find it hard to get a decent job in world rugby after the Irish job. His tactics and game plan are limited and he is getting poor results from an Irish side that should arguably aiming for a Top 3 world ranking at a time when rugby in Ireland has never been stronger.

So my answer is simply no. I wouldn't want him anywhere near Leinster. Munster and Ulster are quite welcome to him though

Banbridgeman

Don't make me sick!

Foxtrol

The streets of Dublin 4 (and the rest of the province) will run red with blood if Kidney was ever appointed coach of Leinster again.

leeroybrown

Definitely not. I'm a Connacht season ticket holder and I'd rather have a coach who tries to play decent rugby to win than the negative risk mitigation mentality he brings to the game.

RoundBox11

Teferi wrote: »

Kidney, like Eddie before him will find it hard to get a decent job in world rugby after the Irish job. His tactics and game plan are limited and he is getting poor results from an Irish side that should arguably aiming for a Top 3 world ranking at a time when rugby in Ireland has never been stronger.

I think the fact that himself and Eddie both experienced the same issues as head coach highlights the fact that it is more so the IRFUs fault that the Irish team is in this rut rather than the sole fault of Kidney himself.

The IRFU have been getting away with this rubbish for ages now and it's the head coach who is always going to face the music for them. It's about time that the IRFU took responsibility for the hole that they've dug.

Eddie O'Sullivan said it himself after Kidney took over that the IRFU pushed him for results and made it clear that winning each individual game was the number 1 priority. This meant that developing young players and using our full squad was impossible. Neither coach could afford to take risks.

We saw it then with Eddie that the same players were being picked week in week out and now were seeing it again with Kidney. We see it when the likes of D'arcy and O'Callaghan, the tried and trusted players are being picked ahead of young talent like Tuohy and McFadden. Kidney knows that if he risks introducing these players in big games he risks losing these "must win" games due to lack of experience etc.

As long as the IRFU are relying on these international games to make their money, winning will be their primary concern and whoever the coach is will be forced to make conservative, short term decisions.

I feel sorry for Kidney tbh because this was bound to happen really

Banbridgeman

Kidney's selections are one thing, his game plan is an entirely different matter. At least under EOS we played some magnificent rugby, under Kidney we've been awful AND the selections have been conservative. No one is forcing kidney to play the players he does except Kidney. Even if kidney is solely dedicated to winning every game he is still not picking the best 15 (O'gara and Murray in the QF was a disaster and that was definitely a game he had to win!)

clsmooth

RoundBox11 wrote: »

I think the fact that himself and Eddie both experienced the same issues as head coach highlights the fact that it is more so the IRFUs fault that the Irish team is in this rut rather than the sole fault of Kidney himself.

The IRFU have been getting away with this rubbish for ages now and it's the head coach who is always going to face the music for them. It's about time that the IRFU took responsibility for the hole that they've dug.

Eddie O'Sullivan said it himself after Kidney took over that the IRFU pushed him for results and made it clear that winning each individual game was the number 1 priority. This meant that developing young players and using our full squad was impossible. Neither coach could afford to take risks.

We saw it then with Eddie that the same players were being picked week in week out and now were seeing it again with Kidney. We see it when the likes of D'arcy and O'Callaghan, the tried and trusted players are being picked ahead of young talent like Tuohy and McFadden. Kidney knows that if he risks introducing these players in big games he risks losing these "must win" games due to lack of experience etc.

As long as the IRFU are relying on these international games to make their money, winning will be their primary concern and whoever the coach is will be forced to make conservative, short term decisions.

I feel sorry for Kidney tbh because this was bound to happen really

I feel sorry for players who deserve better than his dated gameplans. I feel sorry for the fans who pay to watch Ireland play conservative rubbish. I don't feel sorry for Kidney in the slightest.

RoundBox11

I think Kidney picked Murray and ROG purely because ROG was tried and tested if he was picking ROG he had to pick Murray to provide the physicality that ROG lacks.

Picking ROG also dictates the type of game they play. In the games where weve had our best 15 (with reddan-sexton-BOD) the style of play hasnt been as bad.

I do agree with you tho. But i still think the IRFU are far and away the biggest reason for the trouble the team is having.

Podge_irl

I'm bemused anyone thinks that Kidney wouldn't voluntarily make all the selections he's made regardless of IRFU interference.

its_phil

If Elwood was leaving, Nigel Carolan is the man I want put in charge.

leeroybrown

RoundBox11 wrote: »

I feel sorry for Kidney tbh because this was bound to happen really

I have to disagree. It's true that the IRFU mandate a relatively short-term policy at international but it doesn't make Kidney's individual selections or tactical choices necessary.

He doesn't have to pick O'Callaghan ahead of Ryan in the second row. It's the opposite at Munster and (for me) Ryan clearly adds some second row mobility and ball carrying that we badly need at international level. D'Arcy may be past his best but he still does a decent job in a Leinster shirt. We should be getting the best out of him too.

As it stands (or stood before the 6N) he's a long-term coaching choice with no real suggestion of the IRFU moving him along. His own innate conservatism is holding him back from making the choices that would help manage the transition of his own squad. You often feel like the only way he'll seriously look at an alternative player is through injury and even the you expect the old guard to hobble back in regardless.

irishbucsfan

its_phil wrote: »

If Elwood was leaving, Nigel Carolan is the man I want put in charge.

Would you not be ecstatic at a potential Parks-Kidneyfest?

its_phil

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Would you not be ecstatic at a potential Parks-Kidneyfest?

I just don't think the rest of the team could handle the innovation that would be brought!

lologram

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Would you not be ecstatic at a potential Parks-Kidneyfest?

Not enough kicking for my taste.

clsmooth

lologram wrote: »

Not enough kicking for my taste.

Get TOL in at scrum half

lologram

clsmooth wrote: »

Get TOL in at scrum half

Tony Buckley at TH

PhatPiggins

Another pointless Kidney thread clogging up the forum

clsmooth

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Another pointless Kidney thread clogging up the forum

Excellent post. Would read again

OldRio

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Another pointless Kidney thread clogging up the forum

So why clog up the forum with an answer????

RoundBox11

RoundBox11 wrote: »

I think the fact that himself and Eddie both experienced the same issues as head coach highlights the fact that it is more so the IRFUs fault that the Irish team is in this rut rather than the sole fault of Kidney himself.

The IRFU have been getting away with this rubbish for ages now and it's the head coach who is always going to face the music for them. It's about time that the IRFU took responsibility for the hole that they've dug.

Eddie O'Sullivan said it himself after Kidney took over that the IRFU pushed him for results and made it clear that winning each individual game was the number 1 priority. This meant that developing young players and using our full squad was impossible. Neither coach could afford to take risks.

We saw it then with Eddie that the same players were being picked week in week out and now were seeing it again with Kidney. We see it when the likes of D'arcy and O'Callaghan, the tried and trusted players are being picked ahead of young talent like Tuohy and McFadden. Kidney knows that if he risks introducing these players in big games he risks losing these "must win" games due to lack of experience etc.

As long as the IRFU are relying on these international games to make their money, winning will be their primary concern and whoever the coach is will be forced to make conservative, short term decisions.

I feel sorry for Kidney tbh because this was bound to happen really

This might make sense of Kidney hadn't done THE EXACT same thing at Munster previously.

Blut2

Have to wonder who the one Leinster fan who'd take him back is. And if they voted while drunk. Shame the poll isnt public!

PhatPiggins

OldRio wrote: »

So why clog up the forum with an answer????

Because despite having the majority of the posters on this thread on my 'ignore' list you can't put an entire thread on ignore.

clsmooth

Blut2 wrote: »

Have to wonder who the one Leinster fan who'd take him back is. And if they voted while drunk. Shame the poll isnt public!

I meant to make it public to name and shame but must have clicked the wrong option

clsmooth

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Because despite having the majority of the posters on this thread on my 'ignore' list you can't put an entire thread on ignore.

You should really stop bumping the thread then unless you're some sort of forum masochist

Sandwlch

Great thread. Intersting that it is Munster people who by a long shot would choose to have Kidney coach their team. It must be said that his style, and the way Munster plays at the moment probably do complement each other well.

clsmooth

Well there was a thread about a month ago where 1 in 3 wanted Kidney to stay on with Ireland for some bizarre reason. Funny how no one wants him at their province though

CIARAN_BOYLE

clsmooth wrote: »

Well there was a thread about a month ago where 1 in 3 wanted Kidney to stay on with Ireland for some bizarre reason. Funny how no one wants him at their province though

because the thread title was should kidney be fired now and it was started after the wales game in the six nations. A lot of people thought it wouldn't do any good to fire him mid competition so voted no.

leeroybrown

clsmooth wrote: »

Well there was a thread about a month ago where 1 in 3 wanted Kidney to stay on with Ireland for some bizarre reason. Funny how no one wants him at their province though

Exactly as CIARAN_BOYLE says above. I was one of those 1 in 3 who voted to keep him because the thread was about sacking him immediately in the wake of the Wales game. However in the medium term I think Ireland would be far better off with a coach willing to expand out game plan to use the great players we have available and start games with a pursuing victory rather than preventing defeat. If there was a suitable coach available to replace him I'd rather see him gone now.

CoDy1

Sandwlch wrote: »

Great thread. Intersting that it is Munster people who by a long shot would choose to have Kidney coach their team. It must be said that his style, and the way Munster plays at the moment probably do complement each other well.

Ah come on now, its a stupid thread! Its clearly a trolling thread given the success of the provincial teams in the latter stages of both comps. I can confidently say that there is not many left who actually want kidney coaching the national team let alone a provincial team.