Difference between what is at Irish life mall and the National Library?

Menas

Hi All,

Am I correct that at the Irish life mall research room I can look up civil records (death and birth certs)...whilst at the National library I can look up church records (baptisms, marriages)?

I have been using the www.familysearch.org site to get details of the various brick walls that I have hit and now want to go and get the original records to see what additional info I can glean from them.

Below are the records that I need, detail from familysearch.org...have I got the correct locations below, or am I completely off the mark?!


Name: Patrick A Hoskins
Registration District: Cork
Event Type: MARRIAGES
Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1895
Film Number: 101257
Volume Number: 5
Page Number: 110
Digital Folder Number: 4179389
Image Number: 00320
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Name: Patrick A Hoskins
Registration District: Cork
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Jul - Sep 1917
Estimated Birth Year: 1865
Film Number: 0101607
Volume Number: 5
Page Number: 69
Digital Folder Number: 4201711
Image Number: 00154
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Name: Margaret Ahern
Registration District: Cork
Event Type: BIRTHS
Registration Quarter and Year: 1871
Film Number: 101048
Volume Number: 5
Page Number: 212
Digital Folder Number: 4193452
Image Number: 00009
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Name: Margaret Hoskins
Registration District: Fermoy
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1946
Estimated Birth Year: 1870
Age (at Death): 76
Film Number: 101743
Volume Number: 4
Page Number: 378
Digital Folder Number: 4202050
Image Number: 00234
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Name: Margaret Hoskins
Registration District: Cork
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1939
Estimated Birth Year: 1866
Age (at Death): 73
Film Number: 101741
Volume Number: 5
Page Number: 68
Digital Folder Number: 4202048
Image Number: 00234
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Name: Margaret Hoskins
Registration District: Mallow
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Jul - Sep 1924
Estimated Birth Year: 1872
Age (at Death): 52
Film Number: 101736
Volume Number: 5
Page Number: 252
Digital Folder Number: 4202043
Image Number: 00239
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Name: Michael Flynn
Registration District: Carrick-on-Shannon
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: 1874
Estimated Birth Year: 1800
Age (at Death): 74
Film Number: 101587
Volume Number: 18
Page Number: 41
Digital Folder Number: 4200219
Image Number: 00093
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Name: Catherine Flynn
Registration District: Carrick-On-Shannon
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1913
Estimated Birth Year: 1832
Age (at Death): 81
Film Number: 0101605
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 33
Digital Folder Number: 4201709
Image Number: 00614
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Name: Catherine Flynn
Registration District: Carrick-On-Shannon
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1913
Estimated Birth Year: 1831
Age (at Death): 82
Film Number: 0101605
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 39
Digital Folder Number: 4201709
Image Number: 00454
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Name: Michael Flynn
Registration District: Sligo
Event Type: MARRIAGES
Registration Quarter and Year: 1856
Film Number: 101246
Volume Number: 10
Page Number: 204
Digital Folder Number: 4195892
Image Number: 00086
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Groom's Name: Peter Connolly
Bride's Name: Margaret Cassidy
Marriage Date: 13 Jan 1867
Marriage Place: Clones, Fermanagh, Ireland
Groom's Father's Name: Authur Connolly
Bride's Father's Name: Luke Cassidy
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M70237-3

System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 101506
Reference Number: P199 #21
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Groom's Name:





Patrick Mccage
Bride's Name: Anne Slowey
Marriage Date: 23 Feb 1868
Marriage Place: Roslin, Ferm, Ireland
Groom's Father's Name: Patrick Mccage
Bride's Father's Name: Charles Slowey
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M70239-8

System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 101528
Reference Number: 123
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Name: Catherine Slowey
Registration District: Clones
Event Type: DEATHS
Film Number: 101600
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 72
Digital Folder Number: 4201704
Image Number: 00244
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pinkypinky

All of those are civil records except:

Groom's Name: Peter Connolly
Bride's Name: Margaret Cassidy
Marriage Date: 13 Jan 1867
Marriage Place: Clones, Fermanagh, Ireland
Groom's Father's Name: Authur Connolly
Bride's Father's Name: Luke Cassidy
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M70237-3

System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 101506
Reference Number: P199 #21


Patrick Mccage
Bride's Name: Anne Slowey
Marriage Date: 23 Feb 1868
Marriage Place: Roslin, Ferm, Ireland
Groom's Father's Name: Patrick Mccage
Bride's Father's Name: Charles Slowey
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M70239-8

System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 101528
Reference Number: 123

The first of these you will get on a parish register in the NLI. The second looks like it might be a submitted records, in which case you should check the NLI to be sure the transcription is correct.

If you haven't already read our sticky, have a read to understand the difference between church (available in NLI) and civil records (GRO in Irish Life mall)

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056388162

P. Breathnach

If you want that many records, and your time in Ireland is limited, it might be best to apply by post for the civil records (consult stickies). It is possible that the certificates will open up new lines of enquiry for you, and you can advance your project a little further while still at home.

That last record, of which Pinky seems so suspicious, looks questionable to me. I'd bet the groom was Patrick McCabe, and that the marriage took place in Roslea, Co. Fermanagh (just up the road from Clones, where McCabe and Slowey are both local names).

I note the Connolly-Cassidy marriage is located in "Clones, Fermanagh, Ireland". Clones is not in Co. Fermanagh; it's in Co. Monaghan, albeit on the border between the counties (and also on the border between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland).

P. Breathnach

Second thoughts: there is another local name, less common than McCabe, that might be a better guess - McCague.

CeannRua

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Second thoughts: there is another local name, less common than McCabe, that might be a better guess - McCague.

The civil indexes on FamilySearch have matches for Anne Slowey marrying Patrick M'Cage and Patrick M'Cague.

The oddness with the addresses is probably just down to part of the registration district of Clones being in Fermanagh.

OP, if some of the death certs you have listed are possibles for the same person, in case you don't know, if you can narrow it down eg to a specific address you can ask the GRO to only send you the correct one.

Menas

Thanks all for your help, I am based in Dublin so will be bringing a friend along with me to help with the cert allowance thing.
And yes, I will try to narrow it down so I only get the correct cert.
To be honest i am pretty excited about getting these certs as I have been banging my head against this brick wall for some time!