London Irish v Gloucester Brawl

Flincher

It's going to be interesting to see what comes out of this. You can see Hamilton give Paice a shove off the ball, and Paice reacts by clearing him out, and they start trading blows.

It will be interesting to see what sort of suspensions players pick up.

I also came across this statement by Brian Smith. Its a bit much to be blaming Hamilton for the cut on Paice's head sustained after the yellow cards, when it looks like Paice is the one who re-starts the fight and throws the first punch.

http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2011-12/rugby/story/163736.html

CatFromHue

Check out the London Irish full back at 1.21 :cool:. Not in the slightest bit interested in getting involved :pac:

Chucky the tree

Pacie didn't throw a punch. he shoved him in the chest and then Hamilton re-act completely over the top with 2 huge punches. You can tell from Paice's body language he wasn't going to throw a punch, Hamiltion decided to though. In saying that it was stupid of Paice to go over a second time after the yellow but Hamilitons reaction to being pushed was ridiculous. Obviously the 4-5 uppercuts Paice attempts after that won't help him but I can understand his reaction.

It's not mention in the report about the LI number 8 being citied which if he isn't is crazy. He comes in at 3:04 and just T's off on Hamiliton with 3 or 4 punches, then punches the gloucster number 18 when he tries to stop it and then smacks the Gloucester number 9 and dazes him. Also LI number 11 tries a dirty cheap shot on the Gloucester number 18 aswell. Complete scummy behaviour by both of them and I think the LI 8 should be the one to get the longest ban of the lot.

Pete_Cavan

The person who deserves the longest ban in the LI no.8. First he starts punching the Gloucester second row when he is being held and so unable to protect himself, then he hits two other Gloucester players. He was just trying to get cheap shots in at anyone in a red and white jersey but showed what a coward he really is when he jumps back as the fists come his way. That guy shouldnt be allowed near a rugby pitch.

irishbucsfan

Paice and Hamilton walking off the field, neither no longer involved in the game. Hamilton had his back to Paice. Paice starts shouting at Hamilton and then walks over and shoves him. He's absolutely in the wrong there.

errlloyd

I think the real loser here is English rugby. Even though thats needlessly philosophical.

Flincher

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

The person who deserves the longest ban in the LI no.8. First he starts punching the Gloucester second row when he is being held and so unable to protect himself, then he hits two other Gloucester players. He was just trying to get cheap shots in at anyone in a red and white jersey but showed what a coward he really is when he jumps back as the fists come his way. That guy shouldnt be allowed near a rugby pitch.

Just realised that is Ofisa Treviranus, who used to play as a winger for Connacht a while back. He has bulked up a lot since.

thebaz

Soccer tougher than rugby ! - can you imagine if that fight took place at Old Trafford , Sky would have it as headlines for a month

CatFromHue

Arsenal and Man United had a right good brawl in the 90's and both teams ended up getting points deductions.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/pictures-infamous-pitch-brawls-2998567.html?ino=3

That would of course never happen in football now but certainly the FA let it be known with the points deduction given that it should not happen again.

The above clip is a bad image for the game, for example does anyone know the final score?

it was 52-18 to Irish with 8 tries being scored and 4 of em coming when both teams were full strength

Monty Burnz

thebaz wrote: »

Soccer tougher than rugby !

Strictly speaking, that wasn't actually rugby.

.ak

Is that the second time Hamilton has been involved in something like this during the season?

thomond2006

.ak wrote: »

Is that the second time Hamilton has been involved in something like this during the season?

He reminds me of Caldwell, he's a bit of an eejit but a really good player. IIRC he gave away some really stupid penalties in this years' Six Nations.

.ak

thomond2006 wrote: »

He reminds me of Caldwell, he's a bit of an eejit but a really good player. IIRC he gave away some really stupid penalties in this years' Six Nations.

Agreed. He's a really good lock, and I like the bloke, but he always seems to get baited in games quite easily.

totallegend

Paice started the whole thing, then kicked it off again after getting carded and deserves everything he gets, whether that's just a solid clatter from Hamilton or a suspension as well. A player I never had much time for.

Last game of the season for both sides, not sure if there's much point suspending people.

Bob Casey's last ever game by the way.

Hagz

totallegend wrote: »

Paice started the whole thing

Actually, Hamilton started it. He pushed Paice off the ball from behind at 0:13. Paice got up and chased him.

totallegend

Hagz wrote: »

Actually, Hamilton started it. He pushed Paice off the ball from behind at 0:13. Paice got up and chased him.

Yeah, that's true, but what Hamilton did happens 50 times a game, if everybody reacts like that, there'd be anarchy.

RoundBox11

Hagz wrote: »

Actually, Hamilton started it. He pushed Paice off the ball from behind at 0:13. Paice got up and chased him.

Its rugby, ur going to get pushed off the ball, no need to start a fight over it.

Hamilton got on with the game, its Paice's fault for chasing after him and starting the fight

.ak

Hagz wrote: »

Actually, Hamilton started it. He pushed Paice off the ball from behind at 0:13. Paice got up and chased him.

Yeah but Paice certainly threw the first dig. Locks do that kinda niggily stuff all the time.. no reason to start throwing haymakers.

Hagz

.ak wrote: »

Yeah but Paice certainly threw the first dig. Locks do that kinda niggily stuff all the time.. no reason to start throwing haymakers.

RoundBox11 wrote: »

Its rugby, ur going to get pushed off the ball, no need to start a fight over it.

Hamilton got on with the game, its Paice's fault for chasing after him and starting the fight

totallegend wrote: »

Yeah, that's true, but what Hamilton did happens 50 times a game, if everybody reacts like that, there'd be anarchy.

True.

copacetic

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

The person who deserves the longest ban in the LI no.8. First he starts punching the Gloucester second row when he is being held and so unable to protect himself, then he hits two other Gloucester players. He was just trying to get cheap shots in at anyone in a red and white jersey but showed what a coward he really is when he jumps back as the fists come his way. That guy shouldnt be allowed near a rugby pitch.

he could certainly get a ban, but he went after the guy who started it, and far from being a coward when the fists came his way he decked both the guys throwing them.

Sindri

errlloyd wrote: »

I think the real loser here is English rugby. Even though thats needlessly philosophical.

You mean melodramatic.

PhatPiggins

What dissapointed me most about watching this game is that it was Bob Casey's last game of rugby and there is almost no mention of it over here. Here is a guy who under slightly different circumstances would have 70+ caps for Ireland and would have been a Lions starter in 2005. I know we all make our decisions and Casey seems to be and always has been happy with his career but I'll always think that Ireland missed out on a good one there.

CatFromHue

PhatPiggins wrote: »

What dissapointed me most about watching this game is that it was Bob Casey's last game of rugby and there is almost no mention of it over here. Here is a guy who under slightly different circumstances would have 70+ caps for Ireland and would have been a Lions starter in 2005. I know we all make our decisions and Casey seems to be and always has been happy with his career but I'll always think that Ireland missed out on a good one there.

I don't want to knock the guy but when he had chances for Ireland he never took them. He wasn't better than POC, DOC, or MOK who were the mainstays of the Ireland second row for the time he was knocking about and one of the reasons he left Leinster was because of Cullen and MOK.

Why do you think he could have been a Lions starter in 2005?

lologram

PhatPiggins wrote: »

What dissapointed me most about watching this game is that it was Bob Casey's last game of rugby and there is almost no mention of it over here. Here is a guy who under slightly different circumstances would have 70+ caps for Ireland and would have been a Lions starter in 2005. I know we all make our decisions and Casey seems to be and always has been happy with his career but I'll always think that Ireland missed out on a good one there.

Nice try, Bob Casey.

thomond2006

PhatPiggins wrote: »

What dissapointed me most about watching this game is that it was Bob Casey's last game of rugby and there is almost no mention of it over here. Here is a guy who under slightly different circumstances would have 70+ caps for Ireland and would have been a Lions starter in 2005. I know we all make our decisions and Casey seems to be and always has been happy with his career but I'll always think that Ireland missed out on a good one there.

Would he have started ahead of POC or MOK for Ireland in your opinion?

Kidney did bring him back into the setup in 2008, so he did get a chance.

irishbucsfan

Bob Casey was always very limited

PhatPiggins

CatFromHue wrote: »

I don't want to knock the guy but when he had chances for Ireland he never took them. He wasn't better than POC, DOC, or MOK who were the mainstays of the Ireland second row for the time he was knocking about and one of the reasons he left Leinster was because of Cullen and MOK.

Why do you think he could have been a Lions starter in 2005?

Because DOC was a Lions starter in 2005 :pac:

totallegend

thomond2006 wrote: »

Would he have started ahead of POC or MOK for Ireland in your opinion?

Kidney did bring him back into the setup in 2008, so he did get a chance.

He did on his boll*x, in fairness. I've seen this posted a couple of times (NB, not by you, Thomond) that Casey got chances with Ireland, he just never took his opportunities. It's nonsense, a couple of games against the Barbarians and that poxy tour to USA and Canada in 2009 were the sum total of his chances after he left for England.

Make your own judgements on Casey and what he could have become, but he 100% deserved more caps for Ireland than the handful he managed. We capped plenty of vastly inferior second-rows in the period between Casey's first cap and his retirement.

Wow, didn't know I was so passionate about Bob Casey.

Benny Cake

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Because DOC was a Lions starter in 2005 :pac:

Ah now, he really wasn't... He was a Lions tourist, hardly a starter...

irishbucsfan

I've seen Casey plenty enough to know he was not unfairly treated by the IRFU. He was big and physical but very limited. He was never on the level of MOK, POC or DOC. Great player for London Irish and a hell of a bloke, but he was repeatedly overrated here in Ireland by people who clearly didn't watch much of him in the Zurich Premierhsip as it was.

GerM

Benny Cake wrote: »

Ah now, he really wasn't... He was a Lions tourist, hardly a starter...

Eh...

PhatPiggins

Benny Cake wrote: »

Ah now, he really wasn't... He was a Lions tourist, hardly a starter...

Which tour were you watching?

PhatPiggins

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I've seen Casey plenty enough to know he was not unfairly treated by the IRFU. He was big and physical but very limited. He was never on the level of MOK, POC or DOC. Great player for London Irish and a hell of a bloke, but he was repeatedly overrated here in Ireland by people who clearly didn't watch much of him in the Zurich Premierhsip as it was.

Er he's a secondrow not a centre. Big, physical and an excellent lineout operator. Partner him with an athletic lock loke and MOK or POC and I don't see what else you need from a secondrow partnership

irishbucsfan

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Er he's a secondrow not a centre. Big, physical and an excellent lineout operator. Partner him with an athletic lock loke and MOK or POC and I don't see what else you need from a secondrow partnership

Being big and physical is only useful if you can get around the field to put it to use. Like, say, DOC. Especially with a team like ours at the time. DOC was always the better choice.

locum-motion

irishbucsfan wrote: »

... MOK, POC or DOC ...

See, that's the problem: He's Casey not O'Casey. Don't you know the rule?; you can only play 2nd row for Ireland if you're an O'...
Just ask Mick O'Driscoll or Lee O'Cullen!!

Benny Cake

GerM wrote: »

Eh...

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Which tour were you watching?

Oops, thought the post referred to 09 not 05.. My bad

PhatPiggins

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Being big and physical is only useful if you can get around the field to put it to use. Like, say, DOC. Especially with a team like ours at the time. DOC was always the better choice.

A fair point. I think its a pity he didn't stay in Ireland and become a 'proper' professional. He got away with murder being over weight and only having to play 60 minutes a match for LI

castie

locum-motion wrote: »

See, that's the problem: He's Casey not O'Casey. Don't you know the rule?; you can only play 2nd row for Ireland if you're an O'...
Just ask Mick O'Driscoll or Lee O'Cullen!!

That last sentence seems to be sarcastic...Mick does have an O...

justsomebloke

Has there been any citings as a result of this does anyone know?

.ak

justsomebloke wrote: »

Has there been any citings as a result of this does anyone know?

London Irish hooker David Paice and Gloucester lock Jim Hamilton are to appear at an RFU Disciplinary Hearing at Twickenham Stadium today.

justsomebloke

.ak wrote: »

London Irish hooker David Paice and Gloucester lock Jim Hamilton are to appear at an RFU Disciplinary Hearing at Twickenham Stadium today.

I think both teams can count them selves lucky that only those 2 players were cited

markc1184

Both got 7 week bans.

thomond2006

markc1184 wrote: »

Both got 7 week bans.

Won't affect Paice but Hamilton will miss Scotland's summer tour.

locum-motion

castie wrote: »

That last sentence seems to be sarcastic...Mick does have an O...

I know.
Only the Lee O'Cullen bit was a joke.