Unexplained parking fine

mondeo

Hi guys,

Today in main street Newbridge I was legaly parked and paid and displayed. My ticket was clearly on my dashboard, I was in a dedicated parking space blocking no entrances or anything. I came back to my car after 20 minutes with plenty of time left on ticket and found a 40e fine under my wiper.

I missed the warden by about 5 mins so I walked around looking for them so I could dispute this. I have my parking ticket to prove I paid my parking fee so where this 40e fine is coming from I dont know.. I could not find the warden so I went home.

The 'fine' seems very vague as it does not state the specific offense, just that 'I commited a parking offense' in relation to the pay and display.
What parking offense? Failure to display? double parked?
I reviewed my parking position on google street view and the sign appears to say "pay and display '8:30 - 18:30' Mon - Sat. This happened at 13:18.

What exactly do I do now? If I produce the parking ticket is it written off?
For what other reasons would they fine me being parked in a parking spot?

Here is a pic from google maps as I dont know how to embed it sorry. I was parked behind the passat. Pic of fine and parking ticket also for clarity.

shawnee

Double check that it is your reg nbr and also make sure it is not for display of tax etc :rolleyes:If all above is correct then you will need to dispute it.

Our man in Havana

Notice is legally flawed as the offence details are not in Irish.

Guy:Incognito

All the ticket is proof of is that you have a ticket that someone paid for parking at that time and place, not necessarily you. Do the wardens take a picture of cars they ticket? I assume you'll have to ask for that.

mondeo

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

All the ticket is proof of is that you have a ticket that someone paid for parking at that time and place, not necessarily you. Do the wardens take a picture of cars they ticket? I assume you'll have to ask for that.

Thats what I was thinking. Surely some cctv systems around there will show me walking up to the parking meter and popping money in. I know there is Garda traffic cameras on that street also.

kingofburt

Similar thing happened to me a few years back in Dublin. My car was parked outside my girlfriends house with a DCC visitors permit clearly displayed on the dash but for some reason I got a ticket. I went to the payment office with the permit and the parking ticket and explained the problem. the cashier voided the ticket with no questions. Hopefully you can do the same, definitely go and speak to someone in the fines office before you pay.

cackhanded

Is it possibly because you are parked outside the guide lines on the drivers side and are too far out into the road? That's the only possible reason I can see anyway.

Our man in Havana

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Notice is legally flawed as the offence details are not in Irish.

So ?

mondeo

cackhanded wrote: »

Is it possibly because you are parked outside the guide lines on the drivers side and are too far out into the road? That's the only possible reason I can see anyway.

Thats a google street view image of the location where I parked so it's not actually my car in the picture.

MugMugs

Maybe he didn't see the ticket. Personally I'd just send a copy of it in and tell.them to bog off.

Pkiernan

mondeo wrote: »

Thats what I was thinking. Surely some cctv systems around there will show me walking up to the parking meter and popping money in. I know there is Garda traffic cameras on that street also.

You should go to the cops and ask them to pull copies of their tapes for you.

Please record their reaction and post it up here so we can all have a good fcuking laugh!!

Our man in Havana

RoverJames wrote: »

So ?

The rest of the notice is bi-lingual. It is a good legal point.

Our man in Havana

Our man in Havana wrote: »

The rest of the notice is bi-lingual. It is a good legal point.

Do you think that "good legal point" as you call it would yield any success if used as part of the OP's appeal?

Our man in Havana

In court yes. No to some civil servant in an office.

Do you think the fine would be quashed due to this ?

Our man in Havana

Yes!

Morals and the legal system are mutually exclusive. If KCC can't get their paperwork right it will fail. The fact the OP parked somewhere wrong don't come into it. The law is all about technicalities and loopholes. KCC chose to shoot themselves in the foot by using that form of document. Defective notice=no conviction.

Sending a letter to some one in the council will get no where. It is in court it will count.

mondeo

Ill just ring them up on Monday and see what the situation is. What else can I do? From what I can gather I'm not in the wrong at all here.

what happens if they don't have pictures taken and no proof that I hadn't a ticket?
surely my paid for ticket I have in my hand here is sufficient.

Our man in Havana

Ill just ring them up on Monday and see what the situation is.

"Sir, you must pay" will be their response. I can save you the call there.

what happens if they don't have pictures taken and no proof that I hadn't a ticket?

They take you to court. The judge will consider all the evidence and your defence and make his decision.

People fail to remember that council parking tickets are still criminal matters dealt with in court. There is no obligation for a council to even read appeals.

Kenny Logins

Just call them. I once received a parking fine from Wexford at a time when I was parked at work in Drumcondra.
My car had a very distinctive and short registration number too, which made it an odd mistake to make...

I phoned and the they just ripped it up.

Our man in Havana

Not relevant to the OP. The OP was there.

Guy:Incognito

mondeo wrote: »

surely my paid for ticket I have in my hand here is sufficient.

You could have gotten that off someone else though. There's nothing to prove you bought it or that it was in your car

Kenny Logins

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Not relevant to the OP. The OP was there.

Yes, fair point. Mine was just to call them and explain the situation.

Our man in Havana

They are not obliged to consider any appeals. The council I worked for had a standard letter sent out to every "appeal" which said only the court would consider their case.

Do people go writing letters to the Gardaí about fines? They don't. Councils are no different.