Fringe S04E21 "Brave New World Part 1" [**SPOILERS**]

Otacon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grz8S70oVdk

Bellie's back!

Besides the horrendous product placement at the start, that was a fantastic Walter episode. It had everything; his paranoia, his humour and more of his cooking.

'Alex' better be OK though.

FreudianSlippers

If the future is anything to go by she'll be fine. I didn't think it was that great of an episode to be honest, I expected a lot more. It was just a lead-in to next week with a cliffhanger ending.

Mr E

Good episode, started well but slow overall. DRJ's exit was a bit meh....

The Black Oil

Yeah, it was OK.

John Noble's performance is what elevated this one, really. I hope Astrid is alright. Once you saw Bell's goons you figured something would happen. I didn't catch Nimoy's name in the credits, though.

They seem to go through phases of product placement - some weeks it's in, others not.

CastorTroy

So much for Nimoy's retirement. Though he looks different. May just be the dark hair.

For some reason I was expecting Astrid to get killed. But now I'm thinking/hoping they had a reason for showing Cortexaphan's regenerative properties and it helps her somehow.

Good job Olivia's puppeteering powers were activated at the right moment.

BlitzKrieg

It makes a lot of sense,

Robert Jones's whole goal in the first series was to meet William Bell. So it makes sense that in an alternative timeline where he succeeded that he would then serve William Bell.

ixoy

MUST BUY SPRINT. IT IS THE FUTURE. MUST BUY SPRINT.

Anyway, it was good but not spectacular. Irritating that the Nimoy reveal is spoilt by his name in the credits but I like the fact that the alternate timeline allows him to be around. I suppose we knew it was probably going to happen given "Letters of Transit".

It felt a little disjointed though - DRJ running around from one scheme to the next without any good reasons for doing each of them (may yet be explained but why bother re-directing the sun?).

Top marks, again, to John Noble. Great performance here.

don ramo

WOW that was a well kept secret i must say, and he loaned his voice to the TBBT a few weeks back, id say their pissed that he actually appeared in fringe:D:D:D

it was a good lead into next weeks episode, good to see belly back, i hope nimoy will come aboard for season 5, it would be awesome having him and Walter squaring off for the final season,

although it wasn't really explained why exactly bell is doing what he doing, he faked his death, but why bother, he was the owner of the biggest company in the world, and had access to god knows what kind of tech, why did he decide to go it alone,

also it nice to see olivias powers growing, im really hoping she gets full control of them at some stage, did anyone else think yerone they saved at the start would turn out to be a spy for DRJ,

BlitzKrieg

although it wasn't really explained why exactly bell is doing what he doing, he faked his death, but why bother, he was the owner of the biggest company in the world, and had access to god knows what kind of tech, why did he decide to go it alone,

wasnt he dying? Nina said he had cancer and was dying. Perhaps that plays somewhat into it?

it also explains why Walter had no issue simply chopping belly's hand off in the future episode.

don ramo

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

wasnt he dying? Nina said he had cancer and was dying. Perhaps that plays somewhat into it?

it also explains why Walter had no issue simply chopping belly's hand off in the future episode.

clearly he found a cure,

also im assuming when olivia and peter were talking in bed olivia more or less confirmed she was pregnant, or was she simply telling peter she wants kids with him,

seithon

Well remember, they said cortexafan was a regenerative agent. Bellie's fingerprint had cortexafan on it therefore he started using that to cure himself rather then going to the otherside for treatment.

pixelburp

Fringe was always a little bit on the nose when it came to its product placement, but last nights episode really took the biscuit. To even have one of your characters draw attention to the product & remark on its greatness was just too much too far. Shallow it may be, but it really left a sour taste after that.

I've actually come back to the Fringe party after an absence; I abandoned the show at the start of series 4 - figuring Peter's disappearance to be nothing more than a cheap version of "it was all a dream" by another means - but came back around 5/6 episodes ago when Olivia started 'remembering' Peter.

It's interesting to watch yet another side of Walter, one that lost Peter not just once but twice, but the show generally feels like it's dragging things out too far & really running out of ideas. So much so that the alternate-timeline just feels like a lazy excuse to invent new twists. Nimoy's reappearance didn't really feel like challenging that feeling.

don ramo

why do people living in Ireland care about product placement in an American show, for an American product,

also i should mention its things like this that has helped bring this show this far,

Dempsey

I felt Fringe became a parody of itself in that episode.

John Noble is usually good but I felt his character was a parody.

As for Olivia controlling Peter, desperate stuff.

somuj

My elation at the renewal of fringe for a final season may have been premature after a facical episode like that. A steaming bucket of giant porcupine
piss I would describe it as.

With all the resources available to him you'd think that Jones would have been at least, able to borrow a gun of one of Bellys toughs. My gawd he could even have thrown a handful of nanites at Peter for feck sake instead of trying to batter him to death with a club.

Olivas shadow boxing moves has to be one of the most cringeworthy scenes I have ever come across on tv. The way they used it get rid of Jones. One of the most enigmatic characters on television in a long time.

Elohim

Such a disjointed episode. Felt like a 5 year old was directing.
It's like they had two b-list ideas for MOTW, nanites and sun beams and joined them into one without any real explanation as to why they happened or anything.

don ramo

Elohim wrote: »

Such a disjointed episode. Felt like a 5 year old was directing.
It's like they had two b-list ideas for MOTW, nanites and sun beams and joined them into one without any real explanation as to why they happened or anything.

well it is a 2 parter, so how can it be resolved when there is still another episode to go, and thatll be the season finale so it still might not be explained till next season,

Elohim

don ramo wrote: »

well it is a 2 parter, so how can it be resolved when there is still another episode to go, and thatll be the season finale so it still might not be explained till next season,

Didn't realize that. Still doesn't make up for the story jumping around the place. Very lazy writing for the death of DRJ too. He can beam the sun down from space but decides to kill Peter with a crowbar.

omniscient_toad

Totally agree. It was bizarre that this enigmatic nemesis figure, having already used the suns rays to almost detonate a city and infected a building full of people with molecular nanites, went out dementedly attempting to batter someone to death with a crowbar like a demonic Gordon Freeman.

What was he planning on doing if a truck-full of SWAT agents got there first, throw crowbars at them from the roof? And this from a man who repeatedly sacrificed others to enact his plans while remaining at a safe distance. Perhaps Nimoy agreed to return last minute and they rushed to write Jones out in order to appoint Bell the great nemesis.

Also, Olivia punching his lights out by proxy gave me unpleasant flashbacks to Hugh Jackman in Real Steel, which is not a good sign for any creative work . I very much hope she doesn't blossom into some all powerful Heroes type psychic warrior, it would just fly in the face of every cortexiphan subjecst the series has shown us, if anything she's been exceptional in not losing her mind/murdering all those around.

Einhard

I think people complaining about the the ease of DRJ's demise are forgetting that he was essentially sacrificed by William Belle. He was "the bishop", as he realises at the end. He was meant to die. Belle decreed it. That being so, it would be somewhat ridiculous for him to have armed himself with a gun and taken in order to take out Peter, thereby saving himself and frustrating Belle's vision. I assume that Belle gave some instruction that Peter was to be beaten or something similar, and counted on the fact that Olivia would get involved and bring about DRJ's demise. As stated, that was his purpose, and for him to survive would have frustrated that purpose, and Belle's plan.

Also, I didn't even notice the product placement! What was it for? And anyway, who cares? If that's how they get the programme on my screen, I'm all for it.

Also also: The senator dude at the end is Irish. Gearard Plunkett from Dublin apparently.

Even more also: the head shrink one was hot. Yowsa!! EDIT: Feckin hell: she's John Noble's daughter!! Brilliant actor, amazing genes!!