Too close to terminal at Kerry Airport

kfk

Ryanair plane gets a bit to close to the terminal at Kerry Airport. Start of the video is funny where they try to push back plane! It must have been heavier than they thought!

Too close at Kerry Airport

ScouseMouse

MOL trying to save on tug costs maybe?

"Could all passengers get out and push"

Bearcat

That is a classic vid.....brill. That'll go viral.

Hilarious

whyulittle

Two questions;

1. How would the pilot get things that wrong?!
2. Why does it say 'Pride of Scotland' on the side of the plane?

Turbine

whyulittle wrote: »

Two questions;

1. How would the pilot get things that wrong?!

Its just a tight apron.

whyulittle wrote: »

2. Why does it say 'Pride of Scotland' on the side of the plane?

Its a promotional livery for their Scottish routes. But aircraft aren't dedicated to certain bases and get juggled around due to scheduling, so its been seen at airports all over Europe.

Ryanair also offer advertising on their planes, and European tourist boards have paid to have promotional stickers put on the side of their aircraft. Below are a few examples:

Comunitat Valenciana
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ryanair/Boeing-737-8AS/2098663/L/&sid=4df88cb8b6502373a582e522ec1139fa

City of Nykoping
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ryanair/Boeing-737-8AS/2064514/L/&sid=fcedd4cb5b747b77f1eeed76f711713e

Costa Brava/Cataluyna
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ryanair/Boeing-737-8AS/1805011/L/&sid=d27a1165167d96e42e3bf6d83b29f648

Lleida
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ryanair/Boeing-737-8AS/1956561/L/&sid=99e54f4e1fcae69d2f318f849f7505ae

Fuerteventura
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ryanair/Boeing-737-8AS/1952520/L/&sid=31002494d13ca9385c3f1f58c3d68d73

Cessna_Pilot

That's a 4 year old video, I don't think DAQ is even in service with Ryanair anymore!
Kerry has a tiny apron, I fly in there very regularly, find you put a lot of faith in those marshallers! Especially when there's more than just one aircraft on the apron!

andy_g

Ah there testing the new push back system its ok its being rolled out this summer in Dub.

All airlines will follow suit in the cost saving of it.

Plowman

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boredbaby

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

That's a 4 year old video, I don't think DAQ is even in service with Ryanair anymore!
Kerry has a tiny apron, I fly in there very regularly, find you put a lot of faith in those marshallers! Especially when there's more than just one aircraft on the apron!

As far as I recall, registration EI-DAQ was never in service with Ryanair. The aircraft in question looks more like EI-DAO to me.

Suits

All's well that ends well I suppose!..some nice close up shots anyhow!

kub

I can't believe they thought they could push it manually. They must have checked first to see who had weetabix for breakfast that morning. I am also surprised that they did not have a tractor to hand.

Bearcat

It's how it got so close to the terminal in the first place. Agree the ramp is very tight there but that does not absolve the skipper of parking it in such a tight fashion that the video shows. The afters though are comical and embarrassing for those involved.

Sterling Archer

kub wrote: »

I can't believe they thought they could push it manually. They must have checked first to see who had weetabix for breakfast that morning. I am also surprised that they did not have a tractor to hand.

Reminds me of this pic

xflyer

kub wrote: »

I can't believe they thought they could push it manually. They must have checked first to see who had weetabix for breakfast that morning. I am also surprised that they did not have a tractor to hand.

No tractor at Kerry, it's got a big long runway but not a lot of traffic to justify a tractor.

That's why all that stuff about keeping on the centreline is important. It don't matter when it's a 150 but a big deal when it's a 737.

cson

That is so embarrassingly Irish.

I mean even thinking logically about it; if they were able to apply enough force to move it manually via pushing the engines you'd probably have compromised the mountings or at least stressed them beyond safety.

Delta Kilo

cson wrote: »

I mean even thinking logically about it; if they were able to apply enough force to move it manually via pushing the engines you'd probably have compromised the mountings or at least stressed them beyond safety.

No, the engine mounts would be more than able to take it. They get much worse of a hammering when the aircraft is airborne. It is retarded though, especially if the passengers were still on-board. No way you would push it back.

Suits

If you look at the trees behind the aircraft they are bending as the engines spool up to taxi...so unless these fine specimens from kerry can push a tree over?...alas...no hope!:D

It really is something you'd only see in Ireland........

Bearcat

It's grimacing to watch

run_Forrest_run

ye are all missing the most astonishing part in the video, blue skies in Kerry:eek:

Suits

God imagine being a tourist and that being your 1st impression of our country!:mad:....pilot with no parking skills and the locals trying to push an airliner...

I should certainly hope none of those pushing were ground crew/engineers...otherwise a revision course of basic airline ops/mass and balance is needed....

MacOwen

There is actually 3 tractors at kerry airport and alot more machinery there too. The captain just messed up by not turning tight enough to clear the building!

cocoshovel

Suits wrote: »

God imagine being a tourist and that being your 1st impression of our country!:mad:....pilot with no parking skills and the locals trying to push an airliner...

I should certainly hope none of those pushing were ground crew/engineers...otherwise a revision course of basic airline ops/mass and balance is needed....

Call me stupid, but I wonder if it is even remotely possible to push an empty 737 with a good number of people. I dont know how much they weigh, but tis fairly easy to push a single engine piston plane :P even push down the tail on your own.

Suits

cocoshovel wrote: »

Call me stupid, but I wonder if it is even remotely possible to push an empty 737 with a good number of people. I dont know how much they weigh, but tis fairly easy to push a single engine piston plane :P even push down the tail on your own.

Could be wrong but empty op mass is somewhere in the region of 41500kg.

An empty PA-28 is 544kg.

So........

bladeruner

cocoshovel wrote: »

Call me stupid, but I wonder if it is even remotely possible to push an empty 737 with a good number of people. I dont know how much they weigh, but tis fairly easy to push a single engine piston plane :P even push down the tail on your own.

Empty + fuel = 50+ tonnes versus a 1 tonne cessna.
if Ryanair could have cut out buying big push back tugs in favour of a few local gombeens then they would have done so long ago.
:pac:

Mint Sauce

Serious Question, but dont airplanes have a reverse gear when they are on the ground?

Markcheese

irish-stew wrote: »

Serious Question, but dont airplanes have a reverse gear when they are on the ground?

God no, sure if you put the wheels in reverse when yr in the air you could get stuck up there .....

Plowman

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Nissan doctor

irish-stew wrote: »

Serious Question, but dont airplanes have a reverse gear when they are on the ground?

Planes don't have any gears, or drive to the wheels.

They could use reverse thrust but this isn't common practice and would make a mess of a tiny apron like Kerry I would think.

Tropheus

cson wrote: »

That is so embarrassingly Irish.

I mean even thinking logically about it; if they were able to apply enough force to move it manually via pushing the engines you'd probably have compromised the mountings or at least stressed them beyond safety.

Think about it, the mountings can stand the thrust of the engines so should be able to take the weight of the plane when being pushed. Same would go for the landing gear. Not that I'm saying that a few blokes can push a 737 with their sleeves rolled up.

Suits

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Planes don't have any gears, or drive to the wheels.

They could use reverse thrust but this isn't common practice and would make a mess of a tiny apron like Kerry I would think.

They'd also suck up any loose debris and their own exhaust gas and could catch fire.....and make a mess of the apron at Kerry that way:D

I did a quick calculation and found the force to push a 41500kg 737 from a stopped position at 2m/s is 20289N......how fine a gang of men are the fellows in Kerry?:cool:

Run_to_da_hills

MacOwen wrote: »

There is actually 3 tractors at kerry airport and alot more machinery there too. The captain just messed up by not turning tight enough to clear the building!

At least we can give the pilot credit for catching on to it before it was too late.

globemaster1986

Actually the DC-9 and MD-80 can pushback using reverse thrust although I believe it is not used very often.

And of course the C-17 Globemaster III

Suits

globemaster1986 wrote: »

Actually the DC-9 and MD-80 can pushback using reverse thrust although I believe it is not used very often.

And of course the C-17 Globemaster III

They have scoops for reverse thrust though dont they? The clamshell design engine cannot(should not) push back with reverse thrust.

globemaster1986

Suits wrote: »

They have scoops for reverse thrust though dont they? The clamshell design engine cannot(should not) push back with reverse thrust.

Ya the DC-9 and MD-80 series both have clamshell type thrust reversers however the C-17 does not

Joe 90

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Planes don't have any gears, or drive to the wheels.

They could use reverse thrust but this isn't common practice and would make a mess of a tiny apron like Kerry I would think.

In fact I used to know a guy who had been a flight engineer for a cargo outfit. He told me the story abou having reversed a jet away from a stand when the airport were messing about in getting a tug to him. He popped the breakers for the core reversers so that only the fan reversers worked.

Suits

Wasnt there a crash a few years back to the US caused by the reversers being used to push back on a snowy day and a load of ice was ingested so the engines sat down on the climb out.

christy c

Suits wrote: »

Wasnt there a crash a few years back to the US caused by the reversers being used to push back on a snowy day and a load of ice was ingested so the engines sat down on the climb out.

Was that the air Florida 737 that crashed in to the Potomac river? Don't think that was the main cause, there was also snow on the wings but definetly a factor

Suits

christy c wrote: »

Was that the air Florida 737 that crashed in to the Potomac river? Don't think that was the main cause, there was also snow on the wings but definetly a factor

I just have a vague recollection of there being ice ingestion due to use of reverse thrust to push back. I think they selected engine anti-ice off then for some reason...which wouldnt have helped in that case......

bkehoe

Plowman wrote: »

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I've seen the A400M, C130 and a B737-200 reverse themselves.

And this is what happens when you reverse without looking in the mirror!

Markcheese

I thought the plane that ended up
In the Potomac river hit a flock of geese...or am I mixing my crashes up
On the photo's above what's the prob .. I always park like that...:)

Turbine

And you can't forget the South African Airways 737 that clipped its wing against a truck while taxiing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcLo_Z7wiWg

Markcheese wrote: »

I thought the plane that ended up
In the Potomac river hit a flock of geese...or am I mixing my crashes up

That was a US Airways flight in 2009, the Air Florida crash happened in 1982:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yANjWmRS-U

castie

Theres a video somewhere of an Air France A380 spinning another plane when it makes contact with its tail!

Davidth88

globemaster1986 wrote: »

Actually the DC-9 and MD-80 can pushback using reverse thrust although I believe it is not used very often.

And of course the C-17 Globemaster III

I saw an Aeroflot IL62 do this at LHR back in late 70's/early 80's. There was industrial action and the pilot lost patience waiting for a tug . So he reversed himself out , and smashed quite a few windows in T2 at the same time. I was on the Queens Building at the time and we were laughing like drains .


I have also seen C130's doing this a lot at Frankfurt.

Turbine

castie wrote: »

Theres a video somewhere of an Air France A380 spinning another plane when it makes contact with its tail!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSUL46Jdudw

*Kol*

globemaster1986 wrote: »

Actually the DC-9 and MD-80 can pushback using reverse thrust although I believe it is not used very often.

And of course the C-17 Globemaster III

It's not recommended to reverse an MD-80 as it can lift the nose of the aircraft due to the position of the engines.

McWotever

They need this guy!