Muddy ball moved after clean and replacing on green

whatstherush

The below happened me yesterday and am just wondering is it a penalty shot?

Basically chipped a ball onto the green that had a good lot of mud stuck to it and it came to rest in the middle of slope. I marked the ball and cleaned but when I put it back, it moved away from the marker. It seems that the mud was keeping it in position and once it was cleaned, the slope and lack of mud were enough to move it from its marked position.

uberwolf

I think you're fine as long as you haven't removed your marker.

PhilipMarlowe

Can't press it down to make it stay anyway... As far as I know, you can move it to a nearby position where it will come to rest in equity (no penalty).
On the mobile here so not searching but look up decisions on the rules of golf (rule 20).

PhilipMarlowe

PhilipMarlowe wrote: »

Can't press it down to make it stay anyway... As far as I know, you can move it to a nearby position where it will come to rest in equity (no penalty).
On the mobile here so not searching but look up decisions on the rules of golf (rule 20).

Actually don't need decisions -

d. Ball Fails to Come to Rest on Spot

If a ball when placed fails to come to rest on the spot on which it was placed, there is no penalty and the ball must be replaced. If it still fails to come to rest on that spot:

(i) except in a hazard, it must be placed at the nearest spot where it can be placed at rest that is not nearer the hole and not in a hazard;
(ii) in a hazard, it must be placed in the hazard at the nearest spot where it can be placed at rest that is not nearer the hole.

If a ball when placed comes to rest on the spot on which it is placed, and it subsequently moves, there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies, unless the provisions of any other Rule apply.

fearruanua

apologies for hijacking but i have another rule query.
ball pops out of its plug mark just off the green. can i repair the plug mark before i chip?

k.p.h

fearruanua wrote: »

apologies for hijacking but i have another rule query.
ball pops out of its plug mark just off the green. can i repair the plug mark before i chip?

That a good one. You can repair pitch marks on the green but off the green.. I'm going to put my neck on the line and say possibly..

*Scampers to the randa website

Paulusmaximus

You are allowed to repair any/all pitch-marks on the green irrespective of if you are on the green.

Pitchmarks off the green, you are allowed to repair any pitchmarks made after you have played your shot. Pitchmarks made prior to your ball coming to rest cannot be repaired, so since your own pitch mark is made before the ball coms to rest, you cannot repair it.

PhilipMarlowe

No, can't repair off the green because that is classed as improving your lie. Can fix it after you chip on of course

fearruanua

thanks paul.

Paulusmaximus

fearruanua wrote: »

thanks paul.

note my edit, i had gotten interpretation wrong!

k.p.h

Rule 13-2 specifically states that you are not permitted to improve your line of play unless your ball is on the putting green and you are repairing a pitch mark or an old hole plug.

Also

Q.A player's lie or line of play through the green is affected by a pitch-mark made by his partner's, his opponent's or a fellow-competitor's ball. Is the player entitled to relief?

A.If the pitch-mark was there before the player's ball came to rest, he is not entitled to relief without penalty.

If the pitch-mark was created after the player's ball came to rest, in equity (Rule 1-4), he may repair the pitch-mark. A player is entitled to the lie which his stroke gave him.

Also

Q.A pitch-mark made by the ball as a result of the previous stroke interferes with a player's backswing. Before playing his next stroke, the player steps on the pitch-mark, improving the area of his intended swing. Is this permissible?

A.No. The player was in breach of Rule 13-2 which prohibits improving the area of the intended swing by eliminating irregularities of surface.

PhilipMarlowe

Paul, you can't repair your own off the green. The only time you'd be allowed to repair off the green is if you had hit your shot and it was at rest say on the fringe - then another player hit their shot and made a plug mark just in front of your ball (still off the green) that interfered with your play of your next shot. You are entitled to the lie you originally had so in this very rare circumstance you can repair his but you have to know it wasn't there when your ball came to a stop.
(edit)Once you've played your shot then of course you can repair to maintain the course...

TheDoc

However

If a sprinklr head is within your line to the hole , regardless of impeeding your stance, you can claim relief.

So you might be behind a sprinkler yet yourstance is not impeeded , you can now take a drop.

This rule was changed recently and was printed in our clubhouse.

Finally , one of the stupider rules in golf was having to chipover a sprinkler when you should be putting

PhilipMarlowe

TheDoc wrote: »

However

If a sprinklr head is within your line to the hole , regardless of impeeding your stance, you can claim relief.

So you might be behind a sprinkler yet yourstance is not impeeded , you can now take a drop.

This rule was changed recently and was printed in our clubhouse.

Finally , one of the stupider rules in golf was having to chipover a sprinkler when you should be putting

Wha?

dnjoyce

TheDoc wrote: »

However

If a sprinklr head is within your line to the hole , regardless of impeeding your stance, you can claim relief.

So you might be behind a sprinkler yet yourstance is not impeeded , you can now take a drop.

This rule was changed recently and was printed in our clubhouse.

Finally , one of the stupider rules in golf was having to chipover a sprinkler when you should be putting

Sounds a bit odd - what if I'm down the fairway in a divot and I see a sprinkler in my line up by the green - there's no way I could take relief just cos it's on my line - you sure about that one?

TheDoc

If you are around the green and a sprinkler head obstructs your line to the hole , you can now drop.

Believe me when I say there was a detailed FAQ in the clubhouse.

Similar to if you feel your ball plugged or your feet sublerged, call your playing partner and explain that the sprinkler head is interfering with the shot you zish to ply.

A) You will putt from off the green but a sprinkler head is in the way. Playing partner acknowledges and drop taken

The above is the only real scenario this free drop applies. Should the sprinkler head b in your eimated landing spot for a chip or appoach thre is no free drop.

Might be worth investigating but there was a notice up on Sunday. And Ive lost count over the years the little chips ive had to play when ive wanted to put


**Your making me paranoid. This was one of the biggest changes I noticed since returning to golf that was proposed last year and seems it was written in start of this year. I think a notice went u because someone utilisd the rule in our latest medal and questions were asked. Hope I didnt misread the notice wrong but im pretty sure of what it said **

TheDoc

dnjoyce wrote: »

Sounds a bit odd - what if I'm down the fairway in a divot and I see a sprinkler in my line up by the green - there's no way I could take relief just cos it's on my line - you sure about that one?

As your playing partner I'd disagree that the sprinkler is interfeering.

PhilipMarlowe

Rule 24-2 Immovable Obstruction doesn't allow it but a local rule can allow relief if the sprinkler head is within 2 club lengths of the green and also is within 2 club lengths of the ball and also is on the line of play between the ball and the hole

TheDoc

PhilipMarlowe wrote: »

Rule 24-2 Immovable Obstruction doesn't allow it but a local rule can allow relief if the sprinkler head is within 2 club lengths of the green and also is within 2 club lengths of the ball and also is on the line of play between the ball and the hole

Very good, the notice must have been up as a change locally

Sorry for the confusion lads !

relief if the sprinkler head is within 2 club lengths of the green and also is within 2 club lengths of the ball and also is on the line of play between the ball and the hole

That is pretty much nearly word for word what was on the notice

AldilaMan

TheDoc wrote: »

Very good, the notice must have been up as a change locally

Sorry for the confusion lads !



That is pretty much nearly word for word what was on the notice

Doc

That's only a local rule in Hollywood Lakes and the reason for the local rule is that the sprinklers were placed too close to the green in the first place (in the fringe). If they were set back another couple of feet into the rough there wouldn't have been an issue.

TheDoc

AldilaMan wrote: »

Doc

That's only a local rule in Hollywood Lakes and the reason for the local rule is that the sprinklers were placed too close to the green in the first place (in the fringe). If they were set back another couple of feet into the rough there wouldn't have been an issue.

A right cheers. I know it wasnt there few years ago when I was paying and why I took notice

Thanks agan for the clarification , wouldnt like to see the angry pms from people who go DQs and penalties and blaming me haha

GreeBo

k.p.h wrote: »

Rule 13-2 specifically states that you are not permitted to improve your line of play unless your ball is on the putting green and you are repairing a pitch mark or an old hole plug.

Also

Q.A player's lie or line of play through the green is affected by a pitch-mark made by his partner's, his opponent's or a fellow-competitor's ball. Is the player entitled to relief?

A.If the pitch-mark was there before the player's ball came to rest, he is not entitled to relief without penalty.

If the pitch-mark was created after the player's ball came to rest, in equity (Rule 1-4), he may repair the pitch-mark. A player is entitled to the lie which his stroke gave him.

Also

Q.A pitch-mark made by the ball as a result of the previous stroke interferes with a player's backswing. Before playing his next stroke, the player steps on the pitch-mark, improving the area of his intended swing. Is this permissible?

A.No. The player was in breach of Rule 13-2 which prohibits improving the area of the intended swing by eliminating irregularities of surface.

I think there is some confusion here.

You are entitled to repair a pitchmark that is on the green at any time, irrespective of whether or not your ball is on the green or when the pitchmark was created.