Cody on "physicality"

lukin

I am not trying to stir something up here but I see quotes from Brian Cody today that he fears "the physicality is being taken out of hurling".
He comes out with this every year before the start of the championship and it's getting a bit boring to be honest. He seems to be obsessed with the subject.
Is it not a greater concern the number of disgraceful incidents that have blighted GAA games over the last year (I'm not just talking about Derrytresk)?
I don't hear Cody expressing "concern" over this?
Cynics will say he's just trying to put pressure on the ref before Sunday to let the game flow and not give many frees as that would undoubtedly suit KK.
I'm all for hurling being a physical game but rules are there to make the game better to watch surely?
For all of Cody's moaning about the game becoming less physical he hasn't put forward a single example of it.

adrian522

lukin wrote: »

I am not trying to stir something up here but I see quotes from Brian Cody today that he fears "the physicality is being taken out of hurling".
He comes out with this every year before the start of the championship and it's getting a bit boring to be honest. He seems to be obsessed with the subject.
Is it not a greater concern the number of disgraceful incidents that have blighted GAA games over the last year (I'm not just talking about Derrytresk)?
I don't hear Cody expressing "concern" over this?
Cynics will say he's just trying to put pressure on the ref before Sunday to let the game flow and not give many frees as that would undoubtedly suit KK.
I'm all for hurling being a physical game but rules are there to make the game better to watch surely?
For all of Cody's moaning about the game becoming less physical he hasn't put forward a single example of it.

What incidents are these?

I agree with his comments about the way referees are assessed and I think you see a lot of referees being overly fussy and don't let the game flow and as a result you get too many frees.

Sorry to hear you are bored by his comments.

dcr22B

If the "physicality" is gone out of the game then he obviously didn't see how many challenges Barry Kelly let go in Tullamore a few weeks back?

I'd prefer to see a bit more consistency in the standard of refereeing than giving out about physicality!

premierstone

As much as it pains me to say it I agree with Cody Hurling was, is and hopefully always will be a physical game, I think some people are confusing physicality with dirty play, they are not the same thing.

Cynical fouling is a far bigger problem within the GAA and that needs to be tackled ASAP, personally I think the introduction of a red card for professional foul would be a welcome move.

Oh and btw dcr22B referencing Barry Kelly adds no validity to any arguement, unless requesting the introduction of robots to referee games, in over 20 years following hurling he is the worst intercounty referee I have ever seen and not far off the worst full stop, every game he does you hear both sets of supporters complaining, never a good sign!

keane2097

The OP's argument seems to be that Brian Cody should be more worried about isolated incidences of pitch invasions at junior club football matches than undesirable trends in the officiating of Intercounty Hurling, or at least give more media interviews on his views on the former.

Do people really need stuff like this explained to them?

lukin

keane2097 wrote: »

The OP's argument seems to be that Brian Cody should be more worried about isolated incidences of pitch invasions at junior club football matches than undesirable trends in the officiating of Intercounty Hurling, or at least give more media interviews on his views on the former.

Exactly. Stuff that doesn't make the national media. Those of us who live in small parishes know all about this sort of stuff; mass brawls, refs being intimidated etc. It makes the regional newspapers all the time but not the national news.
Cody is only looking after number one as usual.

keane2097

lukin wrote: »

Exactly. Stuff that doesn't make the national media. Those of us who live in small parishes know all about this sort of stuff; mass brawls, refs being intimidated etc. It makes the regional newspapers all the time but not the national news.
Cody is only looking after number one as usual.

I think you misinterpreted my post as agreeing with you when I'm doing the opposite.

He's being asked about what people are interested in hearing him talk about and what he's an expert in as usual.

If Cody came out with something about Derrytresk you'd have vegetables all over the country asking "WTF does Brian Cody have to do with it?", "Who is he to be sticking his oar in?" etc.

lukin

keane2097 wrote: »

I think you misinterpreted my post as agreeing with you when I'm doing the opposite.

He's being asked about what people are interested in hearing him talk about and what he's an expert in as usual.

If Cody came out with something about Derrytresk you'd have vegetables all over the country asking "WTF does Brian Cody have to do with it?", "Who is he to be sticking his oar in?" etc.

Not Derrytresk (which I originally said I wasn't talking about); more so some of the outlandish acts of thuggery that are routinely carried out during hurling matches at a junior level at grassroots GAA.
Cody is not too worried about that is he?And he entitled to speak about it as he is a hurling manager.
And btw a few weeks ago Anthony Daly had a very different view to Cody on refereeing:
"you are seen as if you’re ruining it if you do [blow for frees]"

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/refereeing-decisions-bemuse-daly-190738.html

adrian522

lukin wrote: »

Not Derrytresk (which I originally said I wasn't talking about); more so some of the outlandish acts of thuggery that are routinely carried out during hurling matches at a junior level at grassroots GAA.
Cody is not too worried about that is he?And he entitled to speak about it as he is a hurling manager.
And btw a few weeks ago Anthony Daly had a very different view to Cody on refereeing:
"you are seen as if you’re ruining it if you do [blow for frees]"

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/refereeing-decisions-bemuse-daly-190738.html

I really don't get what point you are trying to make, you seem a bit all over the place to be honest. You say you are bored by Brian Cody's comments, but it's not really his place to entertain you with his interviews.

You've made reference to "outlandish acts of thuggery that are routinely carried out during hurling matches at a junior level" You don't cite any examples nor do you explain why Brian Cody should be talking about these as part of the build up to the league final.

Then you quote Anthony Daly as having a different view to Brian Cody, I really don't get the point of this. Are you saying Daly is right and Cody is wrong?

Does Anthony Daly bore you as much as Brian Cody, perhaps not. But do you think that Anthony Daly should also be complaining about "outlandish acts of thuggery that are routinely carried out during hurling matches at a junior level"

What you don't do is offer any opinion what so ever on what Brian Cody has said, maybe you are disagreeing with it simply because of who is saying it.

lukin

adrian522 wrote: »

I really don't get what point you are trying to make, you seem a bit all over the place to be honest. You say you are bored by Brian Cody's comments, but it's not really his place to entertain you with his interviews.

My point is quite clear; Brian Cody is always calling for less frees to be given in hurling (only the ones that involve KK obviously).
We know all about the savagery of KK training sessions, we know Cody refs them and never blows the whistle, everyone is free to take the head off your opponent when he is coming out with the ball and no free will be awarded.
That's OK for them but he seems to be saying that every hurling match should be reffed this way just because that's the way KK do it.

adrian522 wrote: »

You've made reference to "outlandish acts of thuggery that are routinely carried out during hurling matches at a junior level" You don't cite any examples nor do you explain why Brian Cody should be talking about these as part of the build up to the league final.

I don't cite examples because this thread will be locked or my post deleted.
He's the manager of the All-Ireland Champions, when he talks people listen. I'm not saying he should be talking about dirty play in Junior B games or whatever but if he was so concerned about the state of hurling then that's a far greater concern than "letting the game flow".

adrian522 wrote: »

Then you quote Anthony Daly as having a different view to Brian Cody, I really don't get the point of this. Are you saying Daly is right and Cody is wrong?

No, I'm saying Daly doesn't see this terrible problem that Cody sees of referees giving too many frees (the nerve of them), he sees it the opposite way. Other managers don't complain about referees ruining the game, Cody is the only one who does it.

adrian522 wrote: »

Does Anthony Daly bore you as much as Brian Cody, perhaps not. But do you think that Anthony Daly should also be complaining about "outlandish acts of thuggery that are routinely carried out during hurling matches at a junior level"

Daly only said it once as far as I know.

adrian522 wrote: »

What you don't do is offer any opinion what so ever on what Brian Cody has said, maybe you are disagreeing with it simply because of who is saying it.

I disagree with Cody; frees should be given when a foul is committed, Cody clearly doesn't think so.

bruschi

lukin wrote: »

My point is quite clear; Brian Cody is always calling for less frees to be given in hurling (only the ones that involve KK obviously).
We know all about the savagery of KK training sessions, we know Cody refs them and never blows the whistle, everyone is free to take the head off your opponent when he is coming out with the ball and no free will be awarded.
That's OK for them but he seems to be saying that every hurling match should be reffed this way just because that's the way KK do it.

I don't cite examples because this thread will be locked or my post deleted.
He's the manager of the All-Ireland Champions, when he talks people listen. I'm not saying he should be talking about dirty play in Junior B games or whatever but if he was so concerned about the state of hurling then that's a far greater concern than "letting the game flow".

No, I'm saying Daly doesn't see this terrible problem that Cody sees of referees giving too many frees (the nerve of them), he sees it the opposite way. Other managers don't complain about referees ruining the game, Cody is the only one who does it.

Daly only said it once as far as I know.

I disagree with Cody; frees should be given when a foul is committed, Cody clearly doesn't think so.

pity you didnt post the highlighted nonsense at the start, would have saved me reading the drivel.

you make a lot of assumptions, and put words and thoughts that werent actually said by Cody. I dont think he is the only one who has asked for games to be more free flowing and 2 threads started on here in recent weeks suggest the fans in the majority agree. Obviously if a free is committed it should be given, but not every contact means its a free.

LeoB

I think Cody has a point.

Some fairly handy shoulder charges are getting yellow cards and as a result some lads who play hard are under pressure because some refs will let it go and some wont. We have it in football and Hurling. I dont think there are many bad referees but consistancy is a big problem.. Would Diarmuid OSullivan still get away with his shoulder charge on Ollie Baker? It was one of the highlights and showed great charachter and honesty from the players I think more refs today would pull him up.

The incidents mentioned at Junior matchs are happening all to often because clubs are getting away with it. Its less prevelent at Sernior level as lads there are often more serious about their game.Until we have county boards standing up and taking serious action we will continue to se more incidents which is regrettable

mickmcl09

lukin wrote: »

I am not trying to stir something up here but I see quotes from Brian Cody today that he fears "the physicality is being taken out of hurling".
He comes out with this every year before the start of the championship and it's getting a bit boring to be honest. He seems to be obsessed with the subject.
Is it not a greater concern the number of disgraceful incidents that have blighted GAA games over the last year (I'm not just talking about Derrytresk)?
I don't hear Cody expressing "concern" over this?
Cynics will say he's just trying to put pressure on the ref before Sunday to let the game flow and not give many frees as that would undoubtedly suit KK.
I'm all for hurling being a physical game but rules are there to make the game better to watch surely?
For all of Cody's moaning about the game becoming less physical he hasn't put forward a single example of it.

Just because he doesn't give his view on 'Derrytresk' type incidents doesn't mean he has a view on the subject.
Furthermore why would a hurling manager poke his nose in a football related matter. Ya, ya there's handbags at junior hurling matches, but was he asked his opinion on that? No.
You're sick of hearing his views on the game, what do you expect from the man or any other manager for that matter. Succesful managers have their views on whatever sport they're involved in, views that manage winning teams, so why deviate. As it happened Cody recognised his sides weaknesses in his first 2 years as manager and he addressed them.

Just admit you that you're not particularly keen on the man.
He's a credit to sport, GAA, his county, parish and family. Equally gracious in victory as he is when he loses - a rare enough trait in any walk of life.

LeoB

mickmcl09 wrote: »

Just because he doesn't give his view on 'Derrytresk' type incidents doesn't mean he has a view on the subject.
Furthermore why would a hurling manager poke his nose in a football related matter. Ya, ya there's handbags at junior hurling matches, but was he asked his opinion on that? No.
You're sick of hearing his views on the game, what do you expect from the man or any other manager for that matter. Succesful managers have their views on whatever sport they're involved in, views that manage winning teams, so why deviate. As it happened Cody recognised his sides weaknesses in his first 2 years as manager and he addressed them.

Just admit you that you're not particularly keen on the man.
He's a credit to sport, GAA, his county, parish and family. Equally gracious in victory as he is when he loses - a rare enough trait in any walk of life.

Excellent post above.

I was a little unclear in mine. Hurling and Gaelic football are both physical contact games and the only problem is the inconsistancy in applying the rules. Until we come close to sorting this out we will have the media hammering some handbags stuff which happens most week ends but is blown out of all proportion.

Cody is like a lotof fans, fed up going to games and seeing referees blow up for really silly things, which often causes the team in possession more harm, but this is entering another area the advantage rule which I am sure will come up in the next few weeks.