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Would you take Pep ?

  • 30-04-2012 1:06pm
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭


    If your club had the option to sack the manager in the morning and hire Guardiola, would you want that?

    If not, why not?
    If so, why so?

    Would you take Pep? 86 votes

    United Fan - Yes
    0% 0 votes
    United Fan - No
    17% 15 votes
    Liverpool Fan - Yes
    16% 14 votes
    Liverpool Fan - No
    23% 20 votes
    Chelsea Fan - Yes
    6% 6 votes
    Chelsea Fan - No
    2% 2 votes
    Arsenal Fan - Yes
    6% 6 votes
    Arsenal Fan - No
    8% 7 votes
    A.N.Other - Yes
    2% 2 votes
    A.N.Other - No
    16% 14 votes


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭TheTownie


    Would Pep want your club is the first question tbh...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    As a Liverpool fan, it is a no-brainer. Has the tactical nous that Kenny cant even dream of ever having. Has praised our youth process so would obviously help bringing young players through a lot more(Kenny hasnt done too bad here either). Isnt afraid to make substitutions to win a game which is a massive problem with Kenny in my eyes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    TheTownie wrote: »
    Would Pep want your club is the first question tbh...

    Lets imagine he is a whore and will take any job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Would you take Hodgson would be a better thread? He's held in the highest regard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭jacool


    Any club that would take Pep on would need players that can actually play with the ball and be comfortable in possession. That mitigates against most English clubs, with the possible exception of Arsenal at their best, if you can remember back to then, or perhaps Wigan (last 8 games) or Swansea. Both of these last two might be "mouldable", and have players all over the pitch who get the ball down and play. Don't know if either could afford him though, and they would be getting rid of decent managers to take him on board.
    I'd say, in reality, Athletic Club (aka Bilbao) might welcome him to help them push into the Champions League spots next season.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭TheTownie


    Melion wrote: »
    As a Liverpool fan, it is a no-brainer. Has the tactical nous that Kenny cant even dream of ever having. Has praised our youth process so would obviously help bringing young players through a lot more(Kenny hasnt done too bad here either). Isnt afraid to make substitutions to win a game which is a massive problem with Kenny in my eyes.

    Pep lasted 4 years at a club he loves more than any other before needing a break.

    How many years would he last if he managed another club?

    Could he implement his philosophy, which would require a pretty radical change at most clubs, successfully within 4 years?

    Just putting the questions out there...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Chelsea fan, voted no.

    I'd give RDM a year, a year that Pep is taking out of football anyway and see how he gets on, I want to see if RDM got lucky and it was the players who rallied for the end of the season or was it RDM and his tactics and training etc etc etc.

    I can imagine Roman A. is thinking the same, give RDM a year and fire him if it doesnt go well, or even of it does, becasue lets face it, it is Roman and throw a yacht sized load of cash at Pep then to solve the problem.

    I dont think Pep would take the Chelsea job though as it stands so its kind of a mute point.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No brainer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,443 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Hmmm hold on 'til I think about that one. Steve Kean or Pep?:pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    TheTownie wrote: »
    Pep lasted 4 years at a club he loves more than any other before needing a break.

    How many years would he last if he managed another club?

    Could he implement his philosophy, which would require a pretty radical change at most clubs, successfully within 4 years?

    Just putting the questions out there...

    The pressure in Spain is a lot more i think. Just look at Mourinho, he looks to have aged 20 years in his 2 years at Madrid.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    No. The current manager is doing a fine job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭joshrogan


    His next team will be his biggest test no doubt, will he be able to emulate his previous success without an all star team?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Said no to him at Liverpool.

    Unless pretty big money was spent straight away he simply would not have the players available to him that had the capability to play the game even close to the style that is ingrained in Pep.

    He took Barca from being a club that played a nice style of tikka takka football and added an intensity, a hard working off the ball team mentality similar to what Valencia had under Benitez in order to create an amazing Barca team.

    Liverpool just don't have enough players good enough to even attempt one of those styles let alone the brilliant amalgamation of styles that Pep used to make his Barca team.

    I think after Barca he would need a club that either already has enough technically good players or the money to bring in enough of them. Him going to a team without one or the other would be a big risk both for Pep and the team hiring him as I simply cannot guess how good or bad he would be with technically inferior players than what he is used to.

    I'm not trying to knock Pep in any way or form, just that he is unproven in terms of having to use players that are not top class and that he has worked with for a time before being their manager.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Pep to Newcastle and to bring Messi with him and turn Newcastle from nearly rans to all conquering within 3 years, you heard it hear first.

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭cadaliac


    Chelsea fan and I voted no also.

    I think you need to give RDM a crack at the whip as was mentioned earlier and see whether or not it was the manager who got the team playing again.

    Also, Pep is an attacking coach. He would completely change the Chelsea team if he were to have his way. The transition would get him fired.

    It's a poison chalice anyway with Roman A. in such control.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Liverpool fan - voted YES

    A few years ago Rafa Benitez saw that the academy was not delivering and made some major changes in personnel the most notable of which was the hiring of two Barca coaches who helped oversee the development of players like Messi, Fabregas, Iniesta, Pique - Jose Segura as Technical director and particularly Rodolfo Borrell as Under 18 coach, since promoted to Reserve Head Coach. I reckon that the good work they are doing would be best served in the future by working under the ultimate control of Pep Guardiola.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭MUSEIST


    I voted no as a chelsea fan.

    He would not get the time to build a team in his image (3-5 years at least) and chelsea don't have the messi, xavi and co like he had avaliable to him at barca.

    He has an amazing record but for me there will always be question marks until he achieves success at a club with less quality than barca. You could give a lot of average managers the barca job and they would deliver trophies. I'm not saying he is average (he's feckin amazing) but I'm not convinced he would be a success in england.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,813 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Hmmm hold on 'til I think about that one. Steve Kean or Pep?:pac:


    McLeish or Pep, I'll get back to you.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    JPA wrote: »
    McLeish or Pep, I'll get back to you.

    McLeish or Kean?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,813 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    Melion wrote: »
    JPA wrote: »
    McLeish or Pep, I'll get back to you.

    McLeish or Kean?

    Death?


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    No from a Chelsea fan , too much expectation on him to walk in and do the wonders he done with Barca , when in reality Chelsea are no where near the same standard of Barca and I think he would struggle with us.

    Just like AVB.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Man City fan, very unsure. Not sure even if City were to lose tonight I would want to dump Mancini.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Jagera


    Chelsea fan. Currently No.

    Maybe at a different time. Maybe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 941 ✭✭✭yomtea98


    United fan NO


  • Site Banned Posts: 175 ✭✭jimjimjimmy


    Inter fan, voted No.

    Stramaccioni deserves a full season in charge, especially if he guides us into the CL. He led our youth team to become the best in Europe. Likely to bring some of the young stars along, which is badly needed as the average age of the first team is too high.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Owen_S


    United fan, no. Not until he has proven himself with another club.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Villa fan, and no thanks. We're fine with McLeish imo. Until Heskey takes over as player manager.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,762 ✭✭✭jive


    He's clearly an intelligent man and any club would be lucky to have him. I don't feel he needs to be proven at another club. He did it at a low level with Barcelona B and then at a much higher level with Barcelona, where he molded arguably the greatest club team of all time. I don't think it's fair to say the way Barcelona play is the only way he knows how to operate. I'm sure he has the brain and experience to know how to adapt to different teams even if the goal he wants to achieve is essentially another Barcelona-esque outfit. With the way he carries himself and the way he speaks I think he is an intelligent individual not only with regards to football. For this reason I think he has the ability to be successful anywhere albeit not as successful as he has been with Barcelona (too difficult to repeat 13/16 trophies or whatever it is).


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