Wiggle surcharge alert

ashleey

Im not sure why but in pricing a new helmet, wiggle increased the price from 80 quid to deliver to the uk to 98.40 sterling (not euro!)to deliver to Ireland despite 'free delivery'. It might be brand specific differential pricing (kask) but maybe not. Make sure you double check your actual basket price.

kenmc

vat

Beasty

Helmets are not subject to VAT in the UK, but are in Ireland

As Wiggle are registered for Irish VAT (as are CRC), they are required to charge Irish VAT (as they do on all items, which is why most their "Irieland delivery" prices are slightly higher than shown for UK delivery)

ashleey

Uk vat is 20%. Irish is 23%. That difference doesn't account for it! Oops sorry. Thanks for input. Makes me hate the govt even more!

langdang

I think there's a threshold (of value of goods sold into ireland) where these companies have to do this. Or something to that effect.

There are smaller online sellers in the UK that are not subject to this, so they can send you a helmet without applying VAT and it's all legit. Or so I think anyway!

sconhome

langdang wrote: »

I think there's a threshold (of value of goods sold into ireland) where these companies have to do this. Or something to that effect.

There are smaller online sellers in the UK that are not subject to this, so they can send you a helmet without applying VAT and it's all legit. Or so I think anyway!

A lot of the smaller business are trading in Sterling and are UK registered business. They charge as if you walked in the store, paid for the item and asked for it to be posted to your house up the road, so local VAT applies.

These are the transactions that the Customs & Excise are targetting for duty.

Where the bigger companies are registered in the various juristictions for online trading ie Wiggle and CRC they are obliged to apply the local (customers) VAT rules on products.

It should be interesting with the proposed VAT on nutrition in the UK, it will be cheaper for Irish bricks & mortar stores to sell & ship to UK customers.

langdang

amphkingwest wrote: »

A lot of the smaller business are trading in Sterling and are UK registered business. They charge as if you walked in the store, paid for the item and asked for it to be posted to your house up the road, so local VAT applies.

These are the transactions that the Customs & Excise are targetting for duty.

Where the bigger companies are registered in the various juristictions for online trading ie Wiggle and CRC they are obliged to apply the local (customers) VAT rules on products.

It should be interesting with the proposed VAT on nutrition in the UK, it will be cheaper for Irish bricks & mortar stores to sell & ship to UK customers.

I'm sorry, the week has taken it out of me - the first paragraph makes perfect sense, cos that's the way it should be as long as they are not selling over X amount to ireland and required to registered for VAT here.

Irish C&E? Duty on helmets? It originated in the the EU and there's isn't a DUTY (like on booze, cigs etc) on helmets other than VAT is there? What basis have they for targetting these sales?

Like I said, long week, but the smaller sellers seem to be legit and not a "target" as far as I understand?

Beasty

If they are based in the UK and below the Irish registration threshhold, they are correct to apply UK VAT on items delivered into Ireland

On the nutrition point, as I understand it, that's already subject to VAT in Ireland and hence Irish retailers will have to apply Irish VAT on sales to the UK if not VAT registered in the UK

seamus

VAT and duty doesn't apply to products bought in the EU and physically carried to another EU country by the consumer who bought them. If you don't physically carry the goods over the border, then in revenue's terms, you are importing it.

Slightly different rules apply for actually importing goods into Ireland (as opposed to just carrying them in), which is why CRC and Wiggle have to apply Irish VAT rather than UK VAT.
There are some products on which Customs & Excise can be applied when the product is being imported (even from the EU) such as booze and cigarettes, and this is one reason why you can't buy booze and cigs online.

I'm not sure if that applies in this case, but there are circumstances when customs can apply duty to inbound good posted from the EU.

RobFowl

Bleedin Brits caring about head injuries like that, How dare they.......

I for one welcome our decision to charge Vat on helmets.

That war of independence wasn't for nothing you know........

langdang

RobFowl wrote: »

Bleedin Brits caring about head injuries like that, How dare they.......

I for one welcome our decision to charge Vat on helmets.

That war of independence wasn't for nothing you know........

Yes, it's based on the same principle of VAT on condom. Same with safety features on cars such as ABS etc. How dare we take precautions against god's plan for us and others :pac:

ashleey

Father Ted: It's fabulous being a priest - think of all that comfort you bring to the sick and dying. They love it, they can't get enough of it!

sled driver

Who'd have thought the Revenue Commissioners would hold the answer to the question of compulsory wearing of bicycle helmets.

The VAT rate applicable to goods/services is determined to a certain extent on their perceived luxury:

• essential/necessary items being exempt, o% rated or at a reduced rate, and
• perceived luxury items being charged at the standard rate, currently @ 23%.

With bicycle helmets being charged at 23% in Ireland, The Revenue have deemed them to be "luxury" goods.

Ergo, bicycle helmets are not essential items (and the Revenue says so)

(probably just as well its late on Friday evening when this post goes out)

ashleey

In light of my mistake could the mods change the title of this thread to Irish govt surcharge alert please?

Beasty

ashleey wrote: »

In light of my mistake could the mods change the title of this thread to Irish govt surcharge alert please?

That would be inaccurate - how about:

"Irish Government imposes tax shock"

or maybe

"Irish cyclists contribute to the Health Service, and schools, and road infrastructure, and ..."

RobFowl

Beasty wrote: »

That would be inaccurate - how about:

"Irish Government imposes tax shock"

or maybe

"Irish cyclists contribute to the Health Service, and schools, and road infrastructure, and ..."

Or Irish cyclists to pay bondholders bonuses.....

ashleey

I think we should be licensed as its the only way to provide a direct link between local services and zzzzzzzzzzzz.........................