Should Di Matteo get the Chelsea job full time?

Blatter

He has made a strong case for it, especially if Chelsea win the FA cup, the CL and/or finish 4th, but I'm still not convinced.

There are plenty of examples where managers have had a brilliant first few months in charge but fail to carry it on. Liverpool went on a really good run when Dalglish took over last year but have struggled in the league big time this season. Avram Grant went on a fantastic run with Chelsea; a penalty kick away from winning the CL and a couple of points from a league title but he was shown up at Portsmouth and West Ham.

I'm not saying Di Matteo would necessarily go that way if he got the job, but he could do and still has a lot to prove in my eyes. The real challenge would be how he comes through a sticky patch and how he handles the dressing room when things aren't going Chelsea's way.

I'd personally probably give him the job, but on a one year contract and see how things go next season, mainly because I don't think there's a whole lot of other viable managerial options available for Chelsea at the moment, that would be almost guaranteed to do better.

If Di Matteo got the job full time, do you think he'd succeed and show he's a quality manager over a full season or would he be found out?

Adolf Hipster

If I was him I'd take the job, work for 4-5 months and then take a nice holiday when Chelsea inevitably sack there manager, same as every season :pac:

cgpg5

If he got it my fear would be that he'd be on borrowed time and a run of a few bad games next season and he could see door fairly lively.

Saying that if he wins CL surely he deserves a shot?

missingtime

There are rumblings that Guardiola is going to resign and if that is the case I would imagine that Abramovich would do his best to get him.

Would be a bit unfair on Di Matteo though.

Blatter

missingtime wrote: »

There are rumblings that Guardiola is going to resign and if that is the case I would imagine that Abramovich would do his best to get him.

Would be a bit unfair on Di Matteo though.

I think if Guardiola leaves Barca, the smart money is on him taking some time out of the game as he has suggested on numerous occasions.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

missingtime wrote: »

There are rumblings that Guardiola is going to resign and if that is the case I would imagine that Abramovich would do his best to get him.

Would be a bit unfair on Di Matteo though.

I really don't see Guardiola doing the business at Chelsea. or Ambramavich being any more patient with him than he was wither AVB.

missingtime

Blatter wrote: »

I think if Guardiola leaves Barca, the smart money is on him taking some time out of the game as he has suggested on numerous occasions.

I would agree with this as well and posted as much in the Liverpool thread.

He definitely needs a break.

GavRedKing

I'd like to see RDM get it, Roman could offer him a one year contract with the option of a second year if the first year goes well. *

I think he has earned it anyway as the players have pulled together and out in decent performances under him.

* All depends on what Roman A. considers doing well.

ROCKMAN

should he get the job? Yes ! deserves a shot.
Do I think he'll get it ? No

kryogen

Dunno, he has steadied the ship, but has it been him or has he just ceded to the senior players in the main?

Either way his reputation has been enhanced but I don't see him lasting a full season there as permanent manager for some reason, so if he was to leave now, his reputation is greater then it was, he could get himself a nice job with realistic expectations on him. If he stays I think he goes the same way as all other recent Chelsea managers.

OctavarIan

gavredking wrote: »

* All depends on what Roman A. considers doing well.

Winning the Champion's League seems to be all he cares about. Anything less is cause for a sacking.

Redzer7

I think he deserves it but he probably won't get it.
Would be good to see how Chelsea pick themselves up under Di Matteo if/when they go on a bad run of form.

Leiva

Blatter wrote: »

There are plenty of examples where managers have had a brilliant first few months in charge but fail to carry it on. Liverpool went on a really good run when Dalglish took over last year but have struggled in the league big time this season.

You have answered for me in this paragraph .

The "bounce-back" is good at the moment and there has been a great reaction from the players for him .

But as we all know the season peaks and troughs for all teams, and a manager that gets his team out of a trough the quickest usually is successful .
Chelsea (imo) have not seen what RDM can do when things aint going to plan .

another thing is it could be dangerous for Chelsea in the long term if they stick with him . He seems not to rock the boat with the "senior" players, so I cant see much youth being introduced into the starting 11.

JP Liz V1

He deserves a shot but dont think he will get it

bullpost

If he beats Bayern he will get it, if not he probably wont.

kryogen

OctavarIan wrote: »

Winning the Champion's League seems to be all he cares about. Anything less is cause for a sacking.

Not strictly true, didnt sack Ancelotti when he failed to win the champions league

Owen_S

I doubt he has what it takes to bring long-term success. The short-term success we see now is down to him putting the likes of Terry, Lampard, Cole and Drogba back in the team after AVB tried to phase them out.

RDM doesn't look like he would be able to phase those players out of team(something which will need to happen in the future if the club is to succeed).

Sgt Pepper 64

Now, dont shoot the messenger but I did see an article comparing RDM and AVB and pointing out that when AVB left we were in 4th place (now 6th with RDM) and that AVB had a better points record with his first 8 league games in charge.

So is Robbie just a cup specialist?

We haven't translated our cup form to the league (Even QPR and Norwich beat the spuds!)and we looked weak against Arsenal.
Maybe because he has prioritised the cups rather than the league?


Just keeping it real! :eek:

I can create an alternative "Is RDM and Chelsea done" thread if you like!

PeterTwo

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Now, dont shoot the messenger but I did see an article comparing RDM and AVB and pointing out that when AVB left we were in 4th place (now 6th with RDM) and that AVB had a better points record with his first 8 league games in charge.

So is Robbie just a cup specialist?

We haven't translated our cup form to the league (Even QPR and Norwich beat the spuds!)and we looked weak against Arsenal.
Maybe because he has prioritised the cups rather than the league?


Just keeping it real! :eek:

I can create an alternative "Is RDM and Chelsea done" thread if you like!

Also, the league teams we are playing all get the advantage of a week's break, I can't even remember the last time Chelsea have had such a luxury.

Redzer7

PeterTwo wrote: »

Also, the league teams we are playing all get the advantage of a week's break, I can't even remember the last time Chelsea have had such a luxury.

Shouldn't really be used as excuse tbf.

PeterTwo

Redzer7 wrote: »

Shouldn't really be used as excuse tbf.

So you're saying that playing Barca on Wednesday evening is not a disadvantage when having to play Arsenal on Saturday morning? Especially given the fact that Arsenal didn't have a match for a week.

Redzer7

PeterTwo wrote: »

So you're saying that playing Barca on Wednesday evening is not a disadvantage when having to play Arsenal on Saturday morning? Especially given the fact that Arsenal didn't have a match for a week.

Obviously it's a disadvantage but it shouldn't be used as an excuse. That's why Chelsea have a squad of players not just 11 players. The squad is there to be used and that's why it shouldn't be used as an excuse IMO.

Barr

I think he should be given a chance - his worked wonders since AVB left.

Sgt Pepper 64

If RDM wins both cups and doesnt lose in the league and STILL isnt hired, RA will make us even more of a laughing stock than before.

If RDM achieves that, he has earnt the right to manage full time, if only on a one year contract.
He may NOT prove to be the right man for the job, but he would have certainly earnt the right to be given the chance and if he isnt, even without a cup, we will be castrated in the press for not doing so and it will put off some other candidates

monkey9

If Abramovich isn't sure about Di Matteo, offer him a one year deal with a review to renew and see if he accepts it. With all the money he's spent to bring in big name managers, it'd be funny if Abramovich just stumbled upon the right one by accident!!

bullpost

This would be the logical thing for an "interim" manager to do.
Robbie may have taken the approach that, since there is a possibility that he will not around next year, why give a ****e where we finish in the league if he can have the honour of leading Chelsea to an FA cup or more extraordinarily, a CL victory. Also given the well-publisised obsession RA has with winning the CL, he would be a fool not to concentrate on it?

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Now, dont shoot the messenger but I did see an article comparing RDM and AVB and pointing out that when AVB left we were in 4th place (now 6th with RDM) and that AVB had a better points record with his first 8 league games in charge.

So is Robbie just a cup specialist?

We haven't translated our cup form to the league (Even QPR and Norwich beat the spuds!)and we looked weak against Arsenal.
Maybe because he has prioritised the cups rather than the league?


Just keeping it real! :eek:

I can create an alternative "Is RDM and Chelsea done" thread if you like!

jive

I don't think he should. Grant got the job after Mourinho and got players like Anelka and Ivanovic who were (and Ivanovic still is) very important players for the club. He got to the league cup final and the champions league final (losing on penalties) and still got the sack. He was got a 4 year contract at Christmas '07 and got the sack after the champions league in May '08.

Di Matteo has done well but all he has done is revert to the Chelsea of old, the Chelsea that AVB was trying to phase out. AVB wasn't given the time to do what he had planned so instead Chelsea are now looking at a short-term fix. Roman likes big name managers regardless of how well these caretaker managers do. Maybe the fact that he is a previous Chelsea player will help his cause as a decision to keep him on would be a decision fans would like. I'd rather the likes of Hiddink, Pep or Rafa being given time to build a team that could go the distance in Europe consistently. I reckon Bielsa could be a good outside bet to be the next permanent manager at 28/1! Roman would enjoy that kind of football and it's bringing Bilbao success.

Hank Scorpio

He deserves a year contract imo, I think he`ll definitely get it if he wins the CL final

counterlock

jive wrote: »

Di Matteo has done well but all he has done is revert to the Chelsea of old, the Chelsea that AVB was trying to phase out. AVB wasn't given the time to do what he had planned so instead Chelsea are now looking at a short-term fix. Roman likes big name managers regardless of how well these caretaker managers do. Maybe the fact that he is a previous Chelsea player will help his cause as a decision to keep him on would be a decision fans would like. I'd rather the likes of Hiddink, Pep or Rafa being given time to build a team that could go the distance in Europe consistently. I reckon Bielsa could be a good outside bet to be the next permanent manager at 28/1! Roman would enjoy that kind of football and it's bringing Bilbao success.

Bielsa is a great manager but the system that is played in Bilbao has been there long before he turned up at the club. There is no way Abramovich would take a risk on a manager like him because he has won nothing of note in 14 years (but that could change soon!) and Chelsea would need to change 6/7 players to begin to try to implement the system Bilbao play. It would take longer to build a squad like that than AVB's plans.

sReq | uTeK

PeterTwo wrote: »

So you're saying that playing Barca on Wednesday evening is not a disadvantage when having to play Arsenal on Saturday morning? Especially given the fact that Arsenal didn't have a match for a week.

Barca had just come off a grueling encounter with Real Madrid, in the evening i may add, 8 hours after your game.

You can't use that as an excuse, it's the same for ALL the top teams that are in numerous competitions.

MUSEIST

Yes he absolutely deserves at least a 1 year contract IMO, the transformation in chelsea has been remarkable and we finally seem to be playing with some passion.

As for those saying how he would manage the inevitable ups and downs of a full season, you could say that about any manager except maybe the big names (i.e. mourinho) so I don't see that as an issue. I also don't see any alternative thats avaliable that would do a better job.

GavRedKing

theres also the question of would RDM take the job? He knows full well that even if he wins the UCl and FA cup that if he loses a few games next year and we're 4th by Christmas that he could be out on his arse by January.

It would be brillant though if he won the UCL for Chelsea after all the managers ROman went through.

I personally think hes after having a positive effect on the lads and that a lot of the teams return to form is down to the fact there playing for themselvs and hes just encouraging them.

We seen similar turn around when Scolari and Grant both got the sack.

Not taking anything away from RDM though, I'm delighted with the job so far but he could have done better in the league but if we win the UCL then I'd happily lose every game until the Final. :pac:

MUSEIST

gavredking wrote: »

theres also the question of would RDM take the job? He knows full well that even if he wins the UCl and FA cup that if he loses a few games next year and we're 4th by Christmas that he could be out on his arse by January.

It would be brillant though if he won the UCL for Chelsea after all the managers ROman went through.

I personally think hes after having a positive effect on the lads and that a lot of the teams return to form is down to the fact there playing for themselvs and hes just encouraging them.

We seen similar turn around when Scolari and Grant both got the sack.

Not taking anything away from RDM though, I'm delighted with the job so far but he could have done better in the league but if we win the UCL then I'd happily lose every game until the Final. :pac:

But are you taking into account that this is easily the worst chelsea team under abramovic by some distance I would say.

PeterTwo

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Barca had just come off a grueling encounter with Real Madrid, in the evening i may add, 8 hours after your game.

You can't use that as an excuse, it's the same for ALL the top teams that are in numerous competitions.

I was referring to the league game against Arsenal, Arsenal had not been in a cup match for weeks and thus were less tired than us.

plasmaguy

Yes of course he should.

But this is Abramovic we are talking about, he knows nothing about football, so you just can't be sure.

He's always wanted to play the Barcelona way and with Guardiola now a free agent, I'm sure he'd try tempt him to Chelsea.