Time for Orange?

murpho999

Just wondering in light of so many players now going to miss the Champions League final due to cards picked up is it not time for a change to the system.

Think it's sad that great players can miss the biggest game of their career for silly indiscretions. Clubs and fans suffer too.

Quick look back shows Roy Keane, Baresi, Ribery, Alves, to name but a few have missed out on finals in recent times.

Rather than change system of 2 yellows that would encourage cynical play, would it not be an idea to introduce a lesser Orange card (or whatever colour you fancy) for lesser off ball offences such as taking jersey off,, minor free kicks,timewasting, kicking ball away which in my eyes are a lot more harmless than fouling, diving etc.

Yellows would then be given for more serious fouls etc

Either way I think something should change: big finals should have the best players.

Renn

murpho999 wrote: »

1 assist every 2 games is hardly brilliant is it?

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murpho999

Renn wrote: »

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Nothing to do with it and taken out of context as I explained it later.

monkey9

I actually agree with this. Yellow and red cards are a bit outdated considering the amount of new rules and laws that have come into the game down the years.

People get yellow cards for horrible tackles and also yellow cards for something that's honestly mistimed. It's too easy to get suspended these days!

dreamers75

Nope changed from 2 cards to 3 to accomadate this.

As i said earlier, when Ribery broke on the left and Arbeloa took him out, would he have done it knowing he had 2 yellows and wouldnt miss the final.? Would he fcuk he would have stabbed him ffs.

Helix

murpho999 wrote: »

Just wondering in light of so many players now going to miss the Champions League final due to cards picked up is it not time for a change to the system.

absolutely not

players who miss the CL final due to suspension deserve to miss it due to suspension (for the most part). it's part of the game, it's the rules, and you can't just ignore suspensions because the final is coming up. sure why not do away with them altogether if that's the case

what would the point of an orange card be exactly?

Ordinary man

I often thought a sin bin style of punishment could help. Yellow= warning, 2 yellows = sin bin for 10/15 minutes, red or third yellow = off.

murpho999

Helix wrote: »

absolutely not

players who miss the CL final due to suspension deserve to miss it due to suspension (for the most part). it's part of the game, it's the rules, and you can't just ignore suspensions because the final is coming up. sure why not do away with them altogether if that's the case

what would the point of an orange card be exactly?

Never said get rid of suspensions.

Still be banned for 2 yellows or a red.

But maybe introduce another card for lesser offences and say you need 3 or 4 of them to get a suspension.

adamski8

Helix wrote: »

absolutely not

players who miss the CL final due to suspension deserve to miss it due to suspension (for the most part). it's part of the game, it's the rules, and you can't just ignore suspensions because the final is coming up. sure why not do away with them altogether if that's the case

what would the point of an orange card be exactly?

i think finals should be an exception, the final is obviously the show case event, everybody tunes in and its a real shame that teams can be missing a lot of their players for possibly undeserved yellow cards that were picked up months/games ago.
Players clearly pay no heed to them and they sacrifice themselves in semi finals for the team, thats why so many get them, so what is the point!

I think the whole getting banned for racking up yellows is completely stupid anyway. red cards fair enough, and depending on the red card incident=how many games you miss but why yellows? yellows are minor fouls so why punish someone for them???? the only thing a yellow should be is warning that another will get you a red. that should be it!

dreamers75

adamski8 wrote: »

i think finals should be an exception, the final is obviously the show case event, everybody tunes in and its a real shame that teams can be missing a lot of their players for possibly undeserved yellow cards that were picked up months/games ago.
Players clearly pay no heed to them and they sacrifice themselves in semi finals for the team, thats why so many get them, so what is the point!

I think the whole getting banned for racking up yellows is completely stupid anyway. red cards fair enough, and depending on the red card incident=how many games you miss but why yellows? yellows are minor fouls so why punish someone for them???? the only thing a yellow should be is warning that another will get you a red. that should be it!

Again point to Arbeloa on Ribery, Ribery gets past and hes tru on goal. Foul happened in his own half so its a yellow. Doesnt change the fact its a professional foul.

Give players the chance to do to that in a semi knowing there is no consequence and they will.

Helix

adamski8 wrote: »

i think finals should be an exception

i couldn't possibly disagree any more

should we also lift bans for the last game of the season in the league too?

Vurnon San Benito

"Silly indiscretions"

Well if they want to avoid a suspension, then they should smarten up a bit!

Seaneh

honestly thought this was going to be about Irelands 3rd kit...

Flincher

Perhaps they could give players a clean slate going into the semi-finals. If a player got booked in both semis, then it seems fair that they miss the final.

Missing the final because of a yellow in the first leg of the quarter combined with a yellow in the the second leg of the semi is a bit harsh, especially as the player may have made it through almost 4 games without getting booked.

Chips Ahoy

I'm all for having a orange card purely on the basis that one day John Terry will get an orange card after tackling a black player and i can be first to have the headline
Terry's Chocolate Orange

smokedeels

Officials are struggling to make correct decisions as things stand and you want to introduce some insane three-tier card system. Bad idea imo

murpho999

smokedeels wrote: »

Officials are struggling to make correct decisions as things stand and you want to introduce some insane three-tier card system. Bad idea imo

Good point, but if not an extra card then maybe a change as in wiping slate at quarter finals.

Xavi6

There should be an amnesty on yellow cards at that stage of the competition starting now and backdated so JT can play in the final.

~Rebel~

I do think something has to change alright though. The number of yellows over the course of the competition required to miss the final is far too low.

Either make that number bigger, or grant an amnesty either going into the knock out rounds, or going into the final. Obviously 2 yellows in a match or a red should still have the same result.

It's just too big a consequence for a potentially innocuous yellow card (as plenty of those received over the past 2 nights were).

dreamers75

smokedeels wrote: »

Officials are struggling to make correct decisions as things stand and you want to introduce some insane three-tier card system. Bad idea imo

ref tonight was brilliant, other than the peno he got nothing wrong. Which in fairness was a peno but it was going wide and Di Maria is a Cnut.

Dont think he should have booked Gustavo as Ozil was going down quicker than leeson street ho.

CSF

Why are people always trying to change football?

Flincher

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It's just too big a consequence for a potentially innocuous yellow card (as plenty of those received over the past 2 nights were).

Exactly. What did Gustavo do to get booked?

He's the real victim here!



Other than his 34 fouls, obviously.

dreamers75

CSF wrote: »

Why are people always trying to change football?

Cos the TV said so.

murpho999

CSF wrote: »

Why are people always trying to change football?

It's called progress!

Years ago there were no cards, subs or squads! Just the way it goes!

steelcityblues

I thought this was going to be about the Dutch NT. :pac:

CSF

murpho999 wrote: »

It's called progress!

Years ago there were no cards, subs or squads! Just the way it goes!

'Just the way it goes' is not an argument for anything. I think football has made enough progress by now. It is what it is and people should enjoy it for what it is instead of trying to constantly change it.

Seaneh

dreamers75 wrote: »

Dont think he should have booked Gustavo as Ozil was going down quicker than leeson street ho.

You are outside of your mind.

Gustavo was constantly making stupid little fouls.

Persistant fouling is a yellow, he should have been booked in the ****ing first half!

spiralism

Leave an option where players can pay a hefty fine on top of their suspension or take an extra match suspension in order to take it at the start of the following year's group stages. Only straight reds(being subject to appeal) would mean you miss the final and if you do, its fair and deserved.

Best way imo. Write this down Mr.Platini.

Terry doesn't deserve to make the final with what he did last night, the ****ing eejit. However Ramires, Ivanovic, Meireles and Alaba don't deserve to miss it at all. (Badstuber and Gustavo should have known better, Badstuber's was a nasty hack and Gustavo took the piss for the whole match-about 10 fouls)

dreamers75

Seaneh wrote: »

You are outside of your mind.

Gustavo was constantly making stupid little fouls.

Persistant fouling is a yellow, he should have been booked in the ****ing first half!

Thought the ref did well but each to their own......ozil was going down too easy and suspect the ref copped that. He did quite well i thought.

Oh feck its Seaneh.....feck im wrong.....

Dempsey

Referees can barely implement the current rules properly, adding something like this wouldnt help them but just add another layer of bullshít to the their problems

Jesus Wept

Xavi6 wrote: »

There should be an amnesty on yellow cards at that stage of the competition starting now and backdated so JT can play in the final.

lolJT

IncognitoMan

Only thing this will lead to is people asking should it have been a yellow or orange. I think the point Flincher makes is better

super_furry

Just cancel all cumulative suspensions for finals. Red cards suspensions remain.

Dubit10

Nah. I think it adds to the drama tbh.

greendom

personally I think the sin bin should be implemented.

look at this scenario - week 1 team a plays team b. Team a are in a 2 way battle for the league with team c. Team a is through on goal and is brought down by team b's best defender. He gets a yellow which means he will miss the next game which happens to be against team c. Meanwhile he continues to play against team a putting in a man of the match performance. Team b are severely hampered with the loss of their best defender for the next game and team c win easily giving them the league.

With a sin binning the team that is sinned against gets the benefit of the suspension and not their rivals.

J Cheever Loophole

Let Graham Poll referee the big games. Problem sorted! :pac:

v3ttel

adamski8 wrote: »

i think finals should be an exception, the final is obviously the show case even

So if this foul was in a semi final, the player would deserve to play in the final?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1waQJ3dC5ro

The current system is fine for the most part. The players know the rules.

However, have a review panel for any cards in the semi's to ensure they were warrented.

For example, the penalty that Fletcher gave away vs Arsenal in the CL semi final where he cleanly got the ball, yet not only got the decision against him on the night, but also suspended for the biggest match of his career is a ridiculous.

adamski8

dreamers75 wrote: »

Again point to Arbeloa on Ribery, Ribery gets past and hes tru on goal. Foul happened in his own half so its a yellow. Doesnt change the fact its a professional foul.

Give players the chance to do to that in a semi knowing there is no consequence and they will.

yeah and? they do it anyway? there are players that have no previous yellows and do this in semi finals knowing they can get a yellow as they wont miss the finals, it does not stop them! it didnt stop the 6 or so players who are now suspended for the champions league final did it? some of them very unjustly! so the attitude is severly punish as many as possible even though half of them may have been innocent with no chance of an appeal like there is with a red card!

Helix wrote: »

i couldn't possibly disagree any more

should we also lift bans for the last game of the season in the league too?

last game of the season might mean nothing, you often see players purposly getting a yellow card so that they miss a less important game which is ridiculus.
a final is a different thing all together and you know it, thats why famous suspensions are still mentioned today and why players mention it in their autobiographys are great lamented regrets of missing them, to lose out because of a yellow is totally weak!

Rooney10 wrote: »

So if this foul was in a semi final, the player would deserve to play in the final?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1waQJ3dC5ro

what the hell are you on about? thats a clear red! i said reds should be punished with a suspension. picking up two yellows in separate games is completely different.