Question about handicap changes

ForeRight

This has probably been covered lots of times but I couldnt find a thread on it.

I was just wondering how it works if you play one day and shoot 39 or 40 points for example and know you are getting cut but on the systems the next morning your handicap is unchanged still.

Do you need to say that you should be playing off a stroke less if you think thats what your cut will be or do you just play off the handicap that the system says you are until it is updated?

newport2

You play off your new handicap whether system is updated or not. Phone club and ask for CSS for the day you played and apply your cut from that

ForeRight

newport2 wrote: »

You play off your new handicap whether system is updated or not. Phone club and ask for CSS for the day you played and apply your cut from that

This is what I thought thanks alot.

I assume alot of people dont do this and are playing off the wrong handicap the day after a good score.

Jul3s

ForeRight wrote: »

This has probably been covered lots of times but I couldnt find a thread on it.

I was just wondering how it works if you play one day and shoot 39 or 40 points for example and know you are getting cut but on the systems the next morning your handicap is unchanged still.

Do you need to say that you should be playing off a stroke less if you think thats what your cut will be or do you just play off the handicap that the system says you are until it is updated?

If you beat CSS you must cut your handicap immediately, in order to do so you need to know what CSS is and you also need to know your exact handicap, in the event you cannot find out (rare but it does happen) what the CSS was then you use SSS which is always printed on the card and cut your handicap accordingly.
Remenber you can not be DQ for playing off a lower handicap, bu you will be automatically DQ for playing off an incorrect higher handicap.

Jul3s

ForeRight wrote: »

This is what I thought thanks alot.

I assume alot of people dont do this and are playing off the wrong handicap the day after a good score.

I'd say you assume incorrectly.

ForeRight

Jul3s wrote: »

I'd say you assume incorrectly.

Ok fair enough

I will never assume again

Jul3s

Lol assume away to your hearts content, but remember assumption is the mother of all f@@k ups.

ForeRight

Ok so can you help me out here.

Im sorry if I sound like a simpleton but I am only new enough to all this GUI and official handicap business so trying my best to play to the rules.

My handicap today at start of play was 12.5

I had 39 points and the CSS is 71

Im playing in the morning again so want to make sure I am 100% certain of what I should be playing off as the results are nowhere to be found on the club site or howdidido.

What shoul my handicap be tomorrow?

cackhanded

Your new handicap will be 12.0.

Edit: Misread your post, need to know what par on the course is to work out your exact handicap, I worked it off a par of 72.

k.p.h

Whats the par of the course ..?

I actually developed a little android app that calculates this, didn't bother uploading it to the android market as i though no one would use it. Maybe I should ?? What ye think ..?

ForeRight

I was par 71 lads

cackhanded

Then your new handicap will be 11.8 - playing handicap is 12.

k.p.h

36 - (Points scored) + (Par of Course) - (Competition Scratch Score) = Nett Differential of -3

(Cat 3) 1 * 0.3 + (Cat 2) 2 * 0.2 = 0.7 Cut

It's actually pretty confusing when it's right between category's..!

ForeRight

cackhanded wrote: »

Then your new handicap will be 11.8 - playing handicap is 12.

Sorry for annoying you here pal but can you explain how you worked that out?

Do I get .3 back for each point over 36 while my handicap is over 12 and then only.2 when it goes under 12???

Am I understanding that correctly?

ForeRight

k.p.h wrote: »

36 - (Points scored) + (Par of Course) - (Competition Scratch Score) = Nett Differential of -3

Cat 3 so it 3 * 0.3 = 0.9 Cut

Excellent! Simple as that

So I "assume" that I should be playing off 11.6 according to you?

ForeRight

11.8 now :eek:

My head is spinning here but I think I understand how that was worked out.

While off 12.5 I was playing off 13 which put me in cat 3.
When I got the first .3 taken off for today that put me in cat 2 so the subsequent 2 strokes under today were only .2 each????

thats a total of .7 off my original 12.5 so new handicap of 11.8 playing off 12.

Please tell me I am understanding this correctly?

cackhanded

ForeRight wrote: »

11.8 now :eek:

My head is spinning here but I think I understand how that was worked out.

While off 12.5 I was playing off 13 which put me in cat 3.
When I got the first .3 taken off for today that put me in cat 2 so the subsequent 2 strokes under today were only .2 each????

thats a total of .7 off my original 12.5 so new handicap of 11.8 playing off 12.

Please tell me I am understanding this correctly?

Yep, that's correct.

k.p.h

Yup that's spot on I was not paying attention. I hear it get's a lot easier to work out when in Cat 1

ForeRight

k.p.h wrote: »

Yup that's spot on I was not paying attention. I hear it get's a lot easier to work out when in Cat 1

I dont think ill ever need to worry about that

Thanks for the help

charlieIRL

Just a quick reminder as well - you can cut your handicap after a competition but you can't add the 0.1 back if you are outside your buffer zone.

charlieIRL

ForeRight wrote: »

Sorry for annoying you here pal but can you explain how you worked that out?

Do I get .3 back for each point over 36 while my handicap is over 12 and then only.2 when it goes under 12???

Am I understanding that correctly?

You get 0.1 back, regardless of category.

Dammo

charlieIRL wrote: »

Just a quick reminder as well - you can cut your handicap after a competition but you can't add the 0.1 back if you are outside your buffer zone.

You have to wait for the computer to do it?

charlieIRL

Dammo wrote: »

You have to wait for the computer to do it?

your home club will adjust it and upload it for you.

Dammo

Why can you do one (cut yourself) and not the other (add the .1)?

Would it really be abused that much?

k.p.h

Dammo wrote: »

Would it really be abused that much?

Who knows.. But the rule removes all doubt, which is good in a self regulated game.It's very black and white compared to some rules.

newport2

Dammo wrote: »

Why can you do one (cut yourself) and not the other (add the .1)?

Would it really be abused that much?

Not sure.

Perhaps because a cut is quite likely to change your playing handicap, maybe even significantly so.
The .1 added back will only change 1 in 10 handicaps and even then only by 1 shot.

TheDoc

I was always under the impression if you get cut you play of your new handicapp asap, if you go out you play off your lower one till end of month.

Seemingly thats been changed since I came back golfing, and in fairness howdidido sends me emails the night of a game of golf, with my new handicapp adjustment.

cackhanded

TheDoc wrote: »

I was always under the impression if you get cut you play of your new handicapp asap, if you go out you play off your lower one till end of month.

You do have to play off the new handicap asap - even if your handicap on golfnet hasn't updated, it depends how often your handicap secretary brings in the away scores.

TheDoc wrote: »

Seemingly thats been changed since I came back golfing, and in fairness howdidido sends me emails the night of a game of golf, with my new handicapp adjustment.

Howdidido is not the definitive guide to your exact handicap, it can often take weeks for handicap adjustments for away scores to show up.

TheDoc

cackhanded wrote: »

You do have to play off the new handicap asap - even if your handicap on golfnet hasn't updated, it depends how often your handicap secretary brings in the away scores.



Howdidido is not the definitive guide to your exact handicap, it can often take weeks for handicap adjustments for away scores to show up.

Yes I always knew your lower handicapp came into effect, but wasnt it that when you were adjusted upwards, you didnt play of your new handicapp until the next month ( thats how i remember it being told anyway)

I believe now though you play of your exact every game, after updates

Tones69

I got cut an extra stroke at the wknd cos ive scored over 40 points in 2 of my last few comps, this new "exceptional scores" thing has been introduced by congu..

From Congu site

An Exceptional Score Adjustment is also being introduced. If two 'exceptional' scores (4 under CSS) are returned within the period between annual reviews, a calculation can be applied to a handicap taking both scores and the time between the scores in to account.

PhilipMarlowe

TheDoc wrote: »

Yes I always knew your lower handicapp came into effect, but wasnt it that when you were adjusted upwards, you didnt play of your new handicapp until the next month ( thats how i remember it being told anyway)

I believe now though you play of your exact every game, after updates

Yes, upwards adjustments use to take place at the end of the month but now they are done as soon as the competition is closed for home competitions and as soon as the scores are processed for away competitions (which means a "few" days in practice).

scout353

Remember too that sometimes you may get cut even though you think you were outside the buffer zone. This happens in strokeplay under Clause 19, where for handicap purposes, the worst score that can be recorded on a hole is a net double bogey.

So if you have a 10 on a hole (say a par 5 without a shot!) and that gives you a nett 74 and you think you are in the buffer zone (with a CSS of 72), the actual C19 adjustment would allocate only a 7 to that hole and give you a nett 71 and you would be cut!

AldilaMan

scout353 wrote: »

Remember too that sometimes you may not get cut even though you think you were outside the buffer zone. This happens in strokeplay under Clause 19, where for handicap purposes, the worst score that can be recorded on a hole is a double bogey.

So if you have a 10 on a hole (say a par 5) and that gives you a nett 74 and you think you are in the buffer zone (with a CSS of 72), the actual C19 adjustment would allocate only a 7 to that hole and give you a nett 71 and you would be cut!

Nett double bogey (important distinction)

In your example the score would be 8 if you had a shot on the hole

GreeBo

scout353 wrote: »

Remember too that sometimes you may not get cut even though you think you were outside the buffer zone. This happens in strokeplay under Clause 19, where for handicap purposes, the worst score that can be recorded on a hole is a nett double bogey.

FYP

scout353

AldilaMan wrote: »

Nett double bogey (important distinction)

In your example the score would be 8 if you had a shot on the hole

Yes sorry about that!