Any experience with the 170 Hp 2.0 tdi audi engine?

glynf

Hi all,

As above has anyone got one or driven one-especially with quattro?

Its looking like my current car has to go, as its just not big enough, even though the boot is not bad size wise, its too shallow for what I'll be dragging around:( (._.)
Its a 3.0 tdi A5 and so i want to replace it with a 2009/2010 A4 avant, something a bit livelier than the bog standard 120/140hp poverty spec ones available here, so I will have to go to UK for it.

I was looking mainly at the 3.0 tdi as I want something that's fast but it has to be diesel. The lower VRT & Tax for the 2.0 a sounds like a decent compromise.

Would I be right in saying that this is the same engine as the 120 & 140 models?
Can it be chipped up to the 190 mark, or is this a bit ambitious?:)

Any advice or opinions welcome.

cadaliac

You don't have to go to the uk for hem. The skoda superb has that engine too. I think there are some reports of injector failure but I think they are limited to a certain engine code.

-Corkie-

cadaliac wrote: »

You don't have to go to the uk for hem. The skoda superb has that engine too. I think there are some reports of injector failure but I think they are limited to a certain engine code.

Injector failure is now covered under a recall but oil pump problems are still to be careful of.

vectra

Injector problems were with the PD engine though werent they?
the newer CR engine doesn't have that problem. The CR can also be mapped to around 219 bhp without too much hassle
Contact Joe Power about this.

-Corkie-

vectra wrote: »

Injector problems were with the PD engine though werent they?
the newer CR engine doesn't have that problem. The CR can also be mapped to around 219 bhp without too much hassle
Contact Joe Power about this.

Oops I never read the first post properly...:o

The latest CR engine dont give any oil pump problems either so your grand.

glynf

Thanks all, Know SFA re. engine codes, assume the CR refers to this?

219 is impressive for a 4 banger, surely this would reduce the life span/cause other parts to wear faster etc.? The next motor will be doing a lot of mileage & reliability is v. important.

vectra

glynf wrote: »

Thanks all, Know SFA re. engine codes, assume the CR refers to this?

219 is impressive for a 4 banger, surely this would reduce the life span/cause other parts to wear faster etc.? The next motor will be doing a lot of mileage & reliability is v. important.

CR ( Common Rail ) is the newest version of the 170bhp VAG unit.
I have this in my Octavia vRS. No doubt you will feel it sluggish compared to the 3Ltr unit in the a5 but it is fine for what it is.

DPF delete and a remap transforms them I hear. > Again contact Joe Power of chipped Ireland.

One ex member here had an Octavia vRS that he had some few issues with at the start but these were ironed out and never missed a beat thereafter, I think he had it for close on one year and in that time clocked up close on 60k kms.

A remap once done properly and once after care is done along with on the button servicing using recommended oils etc. there is no reason it would not last as long as a standard unit.

Economy on a long run should see high 40's pending driving style.

spank_inferno

We have that engine in our yeti, also with the Quattro / AWD Haldex system.

We were coming from a car with a modest 68bhp so the improvement was noticable.

After 15k kms I'm very happy with it.
Once up to temperature the engine is smooth and quieter than previous diesels I've driven.
The acceleration is very smooth and responsive.
It has adequate torque even in 6th gear, and it still has more to give past 3500rpm.

Its still frugal too, when I want to stick to 100km/ph on our daily commute we get 55mpg on our 28mile motorway/urban commute.

All in all.... very pleased

I cant vouch for the quattro system, 96% of the torque is going to the front wheels, so I cant say how much of an impact it has on the grip/drive.

bazz26

Can the A4's front wheel drive chassis cope with 219bhp? I'd imagine there would be plenty of torque steer.

vectra

bazz26 wrote: »

Can the A4's front wheel drive chassis cope with 219bhp? I'd imagine there would be plenty of torque steer.

Apparently the vRS Octavia does fine with it so I would assume the A4 should be ok'

-Corkie-

bazz26 wrote: »

Can the A4's front wheel drive chassis cope with 219bhp? I'd imagine there would be plenty of torque steer.

I would not really fancy it myself tbh..

Tea 1000

spank_inferno wrote: »

We have that engine in our yeti, also with the Quattro / AWD Haldex system.

We were coming from a car with a modest 68bhp so the improvement was noticable.

After 15k kms I'm very happy with it.
Once up to temperature the engine is smooth and quieter than previous diesels I've driven.
The acceleration is very smooth and responsive.
It has adequate torque even in 6th gear, and it still has more to give past 3500rpm.

Its still frugal too, when I want to stick to 100km/ph on our daily commute we get 55mpg on our 28mile motorway/urban commute.

All in all.... very pleased

I cant vouch for the quattro system, 96% of the torque is going to the front wheels, so I cant say how much of an impact it has on the grip/drive.

The A4 has the Torsen quattro, so will behave differently to your Yeti.
OP, I find the A4 very cramped, so I'd be surprised if you have any more boot space at all over the A5. Would you consider an A6 with the 3 litre diesel?

TestTransmission

vectra wrote: »

One ex member here had an Octavia vRS that he had some few issues with at the start but these were ironed out and never missed a beat thereafter, I think he had it for close on one year and in that time clocked up close on 60k kms.

To be fair, he had more than a few issues, he also got rid straight away once his warranty was up.

vectra

TestTransmission wrote: »

To be fair, he had more than a few issues, he also got rid straight away once his warranty was up.

One major issue was not through manufacturers fault.

The rest were not major issues
All problem were sorted under warranty though.

glynf

Thanks for replies, sounds like a decent engine-170bhp should be nippy enough for an A4 avant then & 55mpg is very tempting. The a4 has permanent quattro/Torsen type 60% rear/40% front drive I think so it would be a bit heavier than the yeti, but still should be 50+ on long runs..

I would not touch a FWD Audi, esp if the thing had 219 BHP to the front tyres.:)
I drove a mates Integra DC5 for a few days, it was over 200bhp & fwd, and I thought it was a nightmare of a thing to drive-harsh on the road, floor it in 1st & the front wheels bouncing and horrible around a corner as well...not for me. Basically no way I want a car with that much poke to the front wheels, grand for knocking about in but not if I'm spending most of the day in it...

@ Tea 1000, the boot size of my car is 455 litres, but very limited height wise, the A4 estate boot is 490 ltrs. & 1400 ltrs. w/the seats down, but much easier to get gear in & out. The 08 on model has nearly identical interior to mine, so I'm fine with it.

Have not looked at the Octavia vRS, but might try & get a rip in an awd one. Must say I'm fond of audi, as the a5 has been the best car I've had reliability wise, now all I have to do is sell it-great fun given the governments current trend of fleecing anyone with a motor over 2 liters.:D

TestTransmission

vectra wrote: »

One major issue was not through manufacturers fault.

The rest were not major issues
All problem were sorted under warranty though.

Ah, there was a dpf failure, air con compressor, front shocks, and pretty sure there was more issues aswell.For a low mileage car that isn't acceptable imo.

bazzachazza

I have 110K up on my 09 A6 and other than an exhaust sensor failure nothing bad to report.

50 mpg + easily available on motorways, good pull and acceleration during city driving. Great cruiser on motorways. Far better than a 120 or 140 option.

Still a lot of power for two front wheels in the wet so rotate them tyres regularly for best even wear.

vectra

glynf wrote: »

Have not looked at the Octavia vRS, but might try & get a rip in an awd one. Must say I'm fond of audi, as the a5 has been the best car I've had reliability wise, now all I have to do is sell it-great fun given the governments current trend of fleecing anyone with a motor over 2 liters.:D

Octavia vRS is only FWD.

There is an Octavia with 140 bhp ( L&K model ) AWD
This can happily map to 170

TestTransmission wrote: »

Ah, there was a dpf failure, air con compressor, front shocks, and pretty sure there was more issues aswell.For a low mileage car that isn't acceptable imo.

DPF failure was totally previous owners fault and not a manufacturing fault.

Front shocks went at around 70k I think.. Not sure why but is this a common occurance or a once off?

Air con compressor.. > Isn't this a general VAG issue and not just the vRS?

Tea 1000

glynf wrote: »

I would not touch a FWD Audi, esp if the thing had 219 BHP to the front tyres.:)
I drove a mates Integra DC5 for a few days, it was over 200bhp & fwd, and I thought it was a nightmare of a thing to drive-harsh on the road, floor it in 1st & the front wheels bouncing and horrible around a corner as well...not for me. Basically no way I want a car with that much poke to the front wheels, grand for knocking about in but not if I'm spending most of the day in it...

In fairness, a DC5 is a completely different car designed for a completely different type of driver. And it's actually excellent around corners, would walk all over an A4, quattro or not!
There were certainly plenty of issues early on with the 170bhp diesel, and a couple of VW garages warned someone I know off them at the time of purchasing. They seem to be better of late though.

Dutchie

OP, I've an '09 Quattro A4 S-line Avant 170.
Quattro does rob a lot of power so a remap maybe a good idea.
You will not get over 40mpg out of it no matter how easy you drive.
I love the car; looks good, handles really well but has a very hard ride due to s-line suspension and 19's.

I would have no hesitation in buying another.

Only thing is they are very hard to get hold of.

Good Luck!

TestTransmission

vectra wrote: »

DPF failure was totally previous owners fault and not a manufacturing fault.

Front shocks went at around 70k I think.. Not sure why but is this a common occurance or a once off?

Air con compressor.. > Isn't this a general VAG issue and not just the vRS?

The top mounts had to be replaced due to some knocking and the auxiliary belt came off aswell leaving him stranded....so, yah,ultra reliable.

glynf

Dutchie wrote: »

OP, I've an '09 Quattro A4 S-line Avant 170.
Quattro does rob a lot of power so a remap maybe a good idea.
You will not get over 40mpg out of it no matter how easy you drive.
I love the car; looks good, handles really well but has a very hard ride due to s-line suspension and 19's.

I would have no hesitation in buying another.

Only thing is they are very hard to get hold of.

Good Luck!

Thanks for that Dutchie, thought the weight of a full quattro would dent the MPG alright:)

I'm getting 8.5/100km 33.5mpg normally for 60% county/40% city driving as is (and I tend to drice it on a bit), so the difference is 5 mpg and the much cheaper road tax. What's yours per year btw?

Dutchie

glynf wrote: »

Thanks for that Dutchie, thought the weight of a full quattro would dent the MPG alright:)

I'm getting 8.5/100km 33.5mpg normally for 60% county/40% city driving as is (and I tend to drice it on a bit), so the difference is 5 mpg and the much cheaper road tax. What's yours per year btw?

Road tax is €447 per year. Co2 is about 164. I've had two front wheel drive a4's before, Yes they offered better mpg but they ate tyres and under steered badly. The Quattro just grips and grips and grips.

I do a lot of cycling and the boot swallows the bike no problem. Seats split 60/40. In my experience the bigger the boot you have the more crap you put in it!

vectra

TestTransmission wrote: »

The top mounts had to be replaced due to some knocking and the auxiliary belt came off aswell leaving him stranded....so, yah,ultra reliable.

So is it just his one gave those issues or the whole range of VAG's ?

TestTransmission

vectra wrote: »

So is it just his one gave those issues or the whole range of VAG's ?

I don't know, I couldn't tell ya.I'm not saying Skoda is any worse than any other VAG out there. I was merely arguying this post.

vectra wrote: »

One ex member here had an Octavia vRS that he had some few issues with at the start but these were ironed out and never missed a beat thereafter, I think he had it for close on one year and in that time clocked up close on 60k kms.

vectra

TestTransmission wrote: »

I don't know, I couldn't tell ya.I'm not saying Skoda is any worse than any other VAG out there. I was merely arguying this post.

But weren't those issues ironed out satisfactorily?

Did any of them re-occur?

Can;t paint them all with the one brush you know :P

TestTransmission

vectra wrote: »

But weren't those issues ironed out satisfactorily?

Did any of them re-occur?

We've gone very off topic here but If I was the person to spend that kinda money on a relatively new,expensive (imo) and low mileage car and then have those kind of problems, I'd rather not have the inconvenience of having to drop my car into the garage to have the issues "ironed" out

Says it all when he sold it when the warranty was up and bought a Jap car.

johnos92

tbh if ur goin to the uk for a audi dont get a 2.0 tdi get a 1.9 tdi the 2.0L give problems

vectra

TestTransmission wrote: »

We've gone very off topic here but If I was the person to spend that kinda money on a relatively new,expensive (imo) and low mileage car and then have those kind of problems, I'd rather not have the inconvenience of having to drop my car into the garage to have the issues "ironed" out

Says it all when he sold it when the warranty was up and bought a Jap car.

Any car can give issues and if so I would certainly hope the dealer would sort them

Also
You are way off the mark for the reason for sale and going Jap

bazz26

johnos92 wrote: »

tbh if ur goin to the uk for a audi dont get a 2.0 tdi get a 1.9 tdi the 2.0L give problems

The OP is looking at the B8 A4, not the B7.

glynf

TBH the fuel savings are not huge as most of planned use is extra urban I'm leaning towards the 3.0 B8 avant. Ok the tax is more but I'm paying guts of 1400 now, so its a still few quid cheaper I suppose. I think that with what I would save, i'd miss the v6 tdi too much

I'm thinking something like this 2009 -as soon as I flog mine of course:)

-Corkie-

glynf wrote: »

TBH the fuel savings are not huge as most of planned use is extra urban I'm leaning towards the 3.0 B8 avant. Ok the tax is more but I'm paying guts of 1400 now, so its a still few quid cheaper I suppose. I think that with what I would save, i'd miss the v6 tdi too much

I'm thinking something like this 2009 -as soon as I flog mine of course:)

What a beautiful machine.