Lack of young drivers Problems down the road 9no pun intended)

seano12

With many young people in college focusing on studies but mostly drinking :L and with very few working there seems to be a lack of money and interest in getting a full license.

Also with petrol nearly hitting 1.70 a ltr Motor Tax rising and crazy insurance prices there is no incentive to drive nowadays

About only 15 % of my friends have full licenses (aged 17 - 20 )

Who's going to drive HGV's Taxi's etc in another few years were gonna have to import drivers from eastern europe etc to fill in these driving jobs

This will really come back to bite this nanny fine gael labour government

CiniO

Hence that importing people from "eastern Europe" might come to an end as well at some stage.

17 to 20 year olds having licences or not has no effect on anything really, nothing to worry about here

AltAccount

I think we'll survive TBH...

kub

That Eastern European drivers demand started a few years ago. The vast majority of drivers working for Irish International haulage companies are Eastern European.
AFAIK, it was not that we as a nation were short of truck drivers but these guys were just cheaper.

So the next time you are on holidays on mainland europe somewhere and see some arctic with Irish plates and Irlande sprawled across the cab, don't get sentimental, the chap driving it is as Irish as the folk in whatever country you happen to be in.

Guy:Incognito

seano12 wrote: »

Who's going to drive HGV's Taxi's etc in another few years were gonna have to import drivers from eastern europe etc to fill in these driving jobs

Maybe they will get licences in the future when they need them to get a job? Your not barred from ever getting one just because you didnt get it before you hit 20.

seano12

Yes very true and willing to drive longer in worse conditions similar to certain taxi drivers.
Chatting to one of my past schoolmates and in many eastern european countries they send off for their full license in the post which covers all categories.

seano12

well procrastinating to leave getting a license to into your twenties isn't a very good idea

langdang

AltAccount wrote: »

I think we'll survive TBH...

Ah now, this type of response won't do! We should be marching on the Dail to evict this Fine Gael Labour crowd apparently. "bring back Bertie, bring back Bertie! Let the good times roll!" .... Or maybe not...

Guy:Incognito

seano12 wrote: »

Chatting to one of my past schoolmates and in many eastern european countries they send off for their full license in the post which covers all categories.

Cinio is coming to get you now

seano12 wrote: »

well procrastinating to leave getting a license to into your twenties isn't a very good idea

What difference does it make if your not driving anyway

Indricotherium

seano12 wrote: »

Yes very true and willing to drive longer in worse conditions similar to certain taxi drivers.
Chatting to one of my past schoolmates and in many eastern european countries they send off for their full license in the post which covers all categories.

"many eastern European countries" I love it.

"My friend says"

Total bull is what I think of that story.

cml387

seano12 wrote: »

well procrastinating to leave getting a license to into your twenties isn't a very good idea

Get a job,save up and get lessons and then when you can afford it you can get a car.That's what I did,It's not a human right to get a driver's license.

smellslikeshoes

seano12 wrote: »

With many young people in college focusing on studies but mostly drinking :L and with very few working there seems to be a lack of money and interest in getting a full license.

Also with petrol nearly hitting 1.70 a ltr Motor Tax rising and crazy insurance prices there is no incentive to drive nowadays

About only 15 % of my friends have full licenses (aged 17 - 20 )

Who's going to drive HGV's Taxi's etc in another few years were gonna have to import drivers from eastern europe etc to fill in these driving jobs

This will really come back to bite this nanny fine gael labour government

Sorry but that whole post is complete bull. There isn't going to be a shortage of drivers. This is just a case of you getting used to something from the Bubble years and when it doesn't continue, thinking the arse has fallen out of the world.

langdang

seano12 wrote: »

well procrastinating to leave getting a license to into your twenties isn't a very good idea

Ya, I dunno how I managed school and college without the expense of a car ;-)

seano12

why are you putting "My friend says" in inverted commas when i didn't say it ? i said "schoolmates" misquoting me ? ask any Irish HGV driver and they'll tell you the antics of some of these drivers

AltAccount

seano12 wrote: »

why are you putting "My friend says" in inverted commas when i didn't say it ? i said "schoolmates" misquoting me ? ask any Irish HGV driver and they'll tell you the antics of some of these drivers

Name the country that gives you a licence for all categoris based on a postal application.

seano12

langdang wrote: »

Ya, I dunno how I managed school and college without the expense of a car ;-)

you must be in an area well served by public transport or by mammy and daddys taxi at your service

people don't understand how much of a necessity a car is in rural Ireland, its a necessity in some areas with cutbacks in transport

many people drive to college as it's cheaper than renting

Indricotherium

seano12 wrote: »

langdang wrote: »

Ya, I dunno how I managed school and college without the expense of a car ;-)

you must be in an area well served by public transport or by mammy and daddys taxi at your service

people don't understand how much of a necessity a car is in rural Ireland, its a necessity in some areas with cutbacks in transport

many people drive to college as it's cheaper than renting

Sure they can all just post off to diblonia for a full license.

langdang

To school through the fields boy, oh jaysus times were tough before the Celtic tiger. College is as much about living in a dive and having the craic as anything else. You won't learn much about the world living with mammy...

cml387

seano12 wrote: »

you must be in an area well served by public transport or by mammy and daddys taxi at your service

people don't understand how much of a necessity a car is in rural Ireland, its a necessity in some areas with cutbacks in transport

many people drive to college as it's cheaper than renting

Are you the turf guy again?

langdang

Indricotherium wrote: »

Sure they can all just post off to diblonia for a full license.

that must be where I was going wrong, I had Lesbania down on my envelopes!

seano12

cml387 wrote: »

Are you the turf guy again?

Yes I am do you have a problem with that keyboard joker ?

I see your from Clonmel I feel sorry for you living in that forsaken hole. You have Tipperary are the best syndrome.

I hope Kilkenny destroy ye in the hurling and shut ye up for another year

Indricotherium

seano12 wrote: »

cml387 wrote: »

Are you the turf guy again?

Yes I am do you have a problem with that keyboard joker ?

I see your from Clonmel I feel sorry for you living in that forsaken hole. You have Tipperary are the best syndrome.

I hope Kilkenny destroy ye in the hurling and shut ye up for another year

Yeah that'll show ya!!

cml387

Indricotherium wrote: »

Yeah that'll show ya!!

Crushed.

Indricotherium

cml387 wrote: »

Indricotherium wrote: »

Yeah that'll show ya!!

Crushed.

Lol.

To go back on topic though....

I was mad to get on the road when I was a lad sent off for my provisional on my 17 th birthday.

My cousins who are around that age now (ten years later) have no interest in cars or driving. They'd rather the latest iPhone to a car.

I don't think it's going to cause problems on a day after tomorrow scale though.

opinion guy

seano12 wrote: »

About only 15 % of my friends have full licenses (aged 17 - 20 )

I would have thought that percentage is higher than it used to be to be honest. Almost no-one had full licences when I was that age - some of them still don't :rolleyes:

seano12

Indricotherium wrote: »

Lol.

To go back on topic though....

I was mad to get on the road when I was a lad sent off for my provisional on my 17 th birthday.

My cousins who are around that age now (ten years later) have no interest in cars or driving. They'd rather the latest iPhone to a car.

I don't think it's going to cause problems on a day after tomorrow scale though.

Cool Story Bro

opinion guy

Cars will be driving themselves soon enough......


I, for one, welcome our new automotive overlords.....

CiniO

seano12 wrote: »

Chatting to one of my past schoolmates and in many eastern european countries they send off for their full license in the post which covers all categories.

It seems to always be the stories "from the East".
In Ireland by saying that, you most likely mean countries like Poland, Slovakia, Lithuania, Estonia, etc....
We in Poland hear the same stories about Belarus, Ukraine, etc...
But I had some friends from Ukraine, and they were saying the same stories about Kazachstan, Turkmenistan, etc, but not his country.

Generally I doubt any of those.
Doing my B licence in Poland in 1999 was hard enough. 20 hours driving with instructor and proper driving test, including theory, practice parking on specific square equipped with poles and cones by test centre + 45 minutes city driving. I failed once, and then passed by second time.
In 2008 I did bus test. The same story. 60 hours driving with instructor + very difficult test.
No post involved


PS - also worth noting, that no one without full licence is allowed to drive on public road in Poland without supervision of driving instructor, while in Ireland you have plenty of "driving permit" drivers there, often just on their own.


Also just to mention - I got my B licence when I was 17. My test was actually few days after my 17th birthday which was earlierst I could do it. And I agree with OP that it's bad that so many young people don't get into driving at young age. It's a pity, as the later you will start driving, usually the worse driver you are.

Indricotherium

seano12 wrote: »

With many young people in college focusing on studies but mostly drinking :L and with very few working there seems to be a lack of money and interest in getting a full license.

Also with petrol nearly hitting 1.70 a ltr Motor Tax rising and crazy insurance prices there is no incentive to drive nowadays

About only 15 % of my friends have full licenses (aged 17 - 20 )

Who's going to drive HGV's Taxi's etc in another few years were gonna have to import drivers from eastern europe etc to fill in these driving jobs

This will really come back to bite this nanny fine gael labour government

This maybe off thread, but who gives a sh!t of drivers from other eu countries are working in Ireland.

So long as it arrives on time I don't really care who's driving the bus.

Or doing any job for that matter.

Holding onto that kind of xenophobic Ireland for the Irish bull is going to get more difficult in future.

Even of you live in some sort of backward time warp where there is no public transport and people care about hurling.

seano12

CiniO wrote: »

It seems to always be the stories "from the East".
In Ireland by saying that, you most likely mean countries like Poland, Slovakia, Lithuania, Estonia, etc....
We in Poland hear the same stories about Belarus, Ukraine, etc...
But I had some friends from Ukraine, and they were saying the same stories about Kazachstan, Turkmenistan, etc, but not his country.

Generally I doubt any of those.
Doing my B licence in Poland in 1999 was hard enough. 20 hours driving with instructor and proper driving test, including theory, practice parking on specific square equipped with poles and cones by test centre + 45 minutes city driving. I failed once, and then passed by second time.
In 2008 I did bus test. The same story. 60 hours driving with instructor + very difficult test.
No post involved


PS - also worth noting, that no one without full licence is allowed to drive on public road in Poland without supervision of driving instructor, while in Ireland you have plenty of "driving permit" drivers there, often just on their own.


Also just to mention - I got my B licence when I was 17. My test was actually few days after my 17th birthday which was earlierst I could do it. And I agree with OP that it's bad that so many young people don't get into driving at young age. It's a pity, as the later you will start driving, usually the worse driver you are.

Is the Lithuanian test similiar to the Polish test ?

Indricotherium

CiniO wrote: »

seano12 wrote: »

Chatting to one of my past schoolmates and in many eastern european countries they send off for their full license in the post which covers all categories.

It seems to always be the stories "from the East".
In Ireland by saying that, you most likely mean countries like Poland, Slovakia, Lithuania, Estonia, etc....
We in Poland hear the same stories about Belarus, Ukraine, etc...
But I had some friends from Ukraine, and they were saying the same stories about Kazachstan, Turkmenistan, etc, but not his country.

Generally I doubt any of those.
Doing my B licence in Poland in 1999 was hard enough. 20 hours driving with instructor and proper driving test, including theory, practice parking on specific square equipped with poles and cones by test centre + 45 minutes city driving. I failed once, and then passed by second time.
In 2008 I did bus test. The same story. 60 hours driving with instructor + very difficult test.
No post involved


PS - also worth noting, that no one without full licence is allowed to drive on public road in Poland without supervision of driving instructor, while in Ireland you have plenty of "driving permit" drivers there, often just on their own.


Also just to mention - I got my B licence when I was 17. My test was actually few days after my 17th birthday which was earlierst I could do it. And I agree with OP that it's bad that so many young people don't get into driving at young age. It's a pity, as the later you will start driving, usually the worse driver you are.

That goes full circle because the yanks say it about us!!

CiniO

seano12 wrote: »

Is the Lithuanian test similiar to the Polish test ?

I have no clue actually.
I've never been to Lithuania and don't know any person from there.

seano12

Indricotherium wrote: »

This maybe off thread, but who gives a sh!t of drivers from other eu countries are working in Ireland.

So long as it arrives on time I don't really care who's driving the bus.

Or doing any job for that matter.

Holding onto that kind of xenophobic Ireland for the Irish bull is going to get more difficult in future.

Even of you live in some sort of backward time warp where there is no public transport and people care about hurling.

I'm not being a Shinner now but I think you're acting like a West-Brit living in a commuter town going to a Multi-national corporation job who's missing the essence of Irish life

Victimising rural people for turf cutting or playing hurling won't get you very far in life

Btw i've many foreign friends so don't start making assumptions that i'm xenophobic

AltAccount

When you're finished attacking other posters, please do answer this question

AltAccount wrote: »

Name the country that gives you a licence for all categoris based on a postal application.

Because at the moment you're coming across as a bit of a bullsh1tter...

John_Rambo

seano12 wrote: »

I'm not being a Shinner now but I think you're acting like a West-Brit living in a commuter town going to a Multi-national corporation job who's missing the essence of Irish life

Victimising rural people for turf cutting or playing hurling won't get you very far in life

I don't know what angle you are coming from regarding the subject of professional drivers, but you can forget about the name calling if you want to push your agenda.

There has always been a tradition of young rural people driving at a much earlier age than their urban and suburban well serviced (by public transport) contemporaries. This led to some serious motoring enthusiasm and in some cases some talented motor sportsmen and women. It's a good thing, hardly the essence of Irish life though!

Motoring in Ireland has always been expensive. Previously it was all about the insurance. Now, you have to have a road worthy car (and rightly so), insurance, NCT, tax and large fuel bills.

When I was young my rural family and friends lived a fairly unregulated driving environment. That's all changed now. You can't bang around uninsured, untaxed or with bald tyres. Call it nanny state if you want, but look at the stats when it comes to road deaths in various parts of the country, it make sense.

Bad planning has a lot to do with this. We have a lot of one off housing with no public transport with young people itching to get driving. Cycling or walking is a no-no, too dangerous and out of the question during the winter dark evenings. Thirty years ago, the only ones living in isolation were farmers and they could insure the family on a business policy and people who could actually afford to live where they lived.

Car ownership can mean so so so much to a rural young adult, freedom, socialisation etc... I believe reduced tax and insurance along with deals regarding BHP limits or even GPS monitoring regarding speed could be a way forward. It's not fair that young rural drivers are hammered because of bad planning.

unkel

seano12 wrote: »

in many eastern european countries they send off for their full license

The only country I have lived in where you can get a driving license by just sending off a form is....




...Ireland

You'll find that in most (probably all) countries in continental Europe (west or east) it takes time, vigorous training by licensed instructors, and a lot of money to pass your driving test

No "sure it'll be grand" attitude over there...

haminka

Indricotherium wrote: »

That goes full circle because the yanks say it about us!!

well, they might be just right. where else in europe can you fail your driving test and then drive off? my colleague's sister is such a bad driver, she has so far failed all of her attempts and has been on provisional for years. she is so bad she can't even master driving while changing the gears and is oblivious to the car revving high wnhile she drives 60 in 2. mind you, she is still driving even though she has no license at all at the mom as her old one expired and she is afraid to book another test.
my first lesson was in february and the abandoned carpark was full of ice and snow. at my final test the instructor had to keep quiet and it was managed by two very mean traffic policemen who were ready to fail you on everything, including not buckling your seatbelt before driving off or not driving on red when they told you you can. i could only drive a car with my license in my hands.
just how many drivers in ireland still remember the happy times when they got their full dl for nothing? and how many l drivers here drive all alone? so before you start going on about other countries consider how bad the standards are in ireland.

savagecabbages

seano12 wrote: »

you must be in an area well served by public transport or by mammy and daddys taxi at your service

people don't understand how much of a necessity a car is in rural Ireland, its a necessity in some areas with cutbacks in transport

many people drive to college as it's cheaper than renting

Having a car at a young age is a luxury. I grew up in the country and managed ok without a car till 21/22.

I suppose internet access is also a necessity?

haminka

seano12 wrote: »

Is the Lithuanian test similiar to the Polish test ?

Contrary to what many people might believe, Central and Eastern Europe actually consists of many different countries, with different laws, habits, languages and traditions. I wouldn't be asking you about the driving tests in Liechtenstein or the school system in Switzerland if you are Irish and have never been to that country just because it falls under the general "Western Europe" geographical area.

CiniO

savagecabbages wrote: »

Having a car at a young age is a luxury. I grew up in the country and managed ok without a car till 21/22.

I suppose internet access is also a necessity?

It all depends on country and current economy situation.
When I was born in Poland my parents bought their first car, and even they were in their late 20s and car was crap, owning a car was luxury.
Now me and my wife have two cars, and it's not luxury at all, as everyone has cars.

I started driving at 17, and got my first car at 18, (in Poland) and it was kinda luxury there and then. But at the moment, having a small old car is cheap in Poland, so there is plenty of 17 and 18 years old young lads who has cars and it's not a luxury really.
While in Ireland mostly due to insurance absurdal prices for young lads, owning a car at 17 or 18 is probably a luxury.

Indricotherium

seano12 wrote: »

Indricotherium wrote: »

This maybe off thread, but who gives a sh!t of drivers from other eu countries are working in Ireland.

So long as it arrives on time I don't really care who's driving the bus.

Or doing any job for that matter.

Holding onto that kind of xenophobic Ireland for the Irish bull is going to get more difficult in future.

Even of you live in some sort of backward time warp where there is no public transport and people care about hurling.

I'm not being a Shinner now but I think you're acting like a West-Brit living in a commuter town going to a Multi-national corporation job who's missing the essence of Irish life

Victimising rural people for turf cutting or playing hurling won't get you very far in life

Btw i've many foreign friends so don't start making assumptions that i'm xenophobic

Well you just called me a west Brit so I think I'm safe enough.

Big Nasty

Is this After Hours or Motors?

TestTransmission

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Is this After Hours or Motors?

I'm unsure, this doesn't belong here anyway.Thread closed.

seano12 wrote: »

Yes I am do you have a problem with that keyboard joker ?

I see your from Clonmel I feel sorry for you living in that forsaken hole. You have Tipperary are the best syndrome.

I hope Kilkenny destroy ye in the hurling and shut ye up for another year

seano12 wrote: »

I'm not being a Shinner now but I think you're acting like a West-Brit living in a commuter town going to a Multi-national corporation job who's missing the essence of Irish life

Victimising rural people for turf cutting or playing hurling won't get you very far in life

Btw i've many foreign friends so don't start making assumptions that i'm xenophobic