H.dip in England - grade in undergraduate degree?

carolzoo

Hi,

Just wondering what grade teachers who trained in England in recent years got in their undergraduate degree? pass, 2.2, 2.1 etc?

Can you get in with a pass degree or a low 2.2.?

A sister of a friend is thinking of doing the h.dip in two years time and so far is just passing her exams.

Do most people do the h.dip in England if they cannot get in in Ireland or do people choose England over Ireland for any other reason?. I would imagine it's the former but just doing some research for her as asked!

rainbowtrout

From anecdotal evidence most people go to the UK to do the dip because they can't get it in Ireland. Have no idea of what kind of grades people have going there or what is accepted over there.

Millem

carolzoo wrote: »

Hi,

Just wondering what grade teachers who trained in England in recent years got in their undergraduate degree? pass, 2.2, 2.1 etc?

Can you get in with a pass degree or a low 2.2.?

A sister of a friend is thinking of doing the h.dip in two years time and so far is just passing her exams.

Do most people do the h.dip in England if they cannot get in in Ireland or do people choose England over Ireland for any other reason?. I would imagine it's the former but just doing some research for her as asked!

I know someone who only got a pass degree went to the uk to do hdip and got paid, I think £3000. Now they are teaching in Ireland, their hdip was not graded, so only get pass hdip allowance and only get pass degree allowance. So they do get paid less. I don't know about how easy it is to get a job though, as their is fierce competition and a lot of applications ask for your teaching practice grade which in their case is a pass.

raytray

I think some people also train in the UK for financial reasons. I was going to train in the UK but then found out I would be entitled to a grant in Ireland so I stayed. But my subjects are science so I would have gotten about £10,000 to train in the UK at the time but figured the grant in Ireland would do if i lived at home!
With regard to pay when you return home: You can get the honours dip allowance once you can show that you have attained over 55% (or whatever it is for a 2:2) during the dip in England even though you have been given a 'pass' degree. I know people who have done this. Basically your degree is either pass/fail. So even if you get a 1st, its still as pass.
Your TP is graded though. It is graded the same as OFSTED- outstanding, good, satisfactory, unsatisfactory. You are given proof of this.
With regard to how easy it is to get in- It depends on the subjects and the college. There are so many colleges that do teacher training that it probably would be possible to get in somewhere with a pass degree.However, places like Edge Hill, with a very good rep, will only take very strong candidates, not necessarily top students academically, but definitely would have to show an aptitude for teaching. You would still be expected to have a 2:2 at least.
Having said that, I teach in the UK and we had a student teacher last year who had a 2:2 sports science degree and she was allowed train as an A level biology teacher as it's a subject in demand. She was in quite a good college too. She ended up failing though as she didn't have the subject knowledge (plant biology mainly) but they let her on the course in the 1st place!
There are a lot of colleges in London so if the person is expecting low grades I would look into a few there. When applying, she should look at the OFSTED report for the teacher training colleges as some of the quality of the training can be quite poor.

Millem

raytray wrote: »

I think some people also train in the UK for financial reasons. I was going to train in the UK but then found out I would be entitled to a grant in Ireland so I stayed. But my subjects are science so I would have gotten about £10,000 to train in the UK at the time but figured the grant in Ireland would do if i lived at home!
With regard to pay when you return home: You can get the honours dip allowance once you can show that you have attained over 55% (or whatever it is for a 2:2) during the dip in England even though you have been given a 'pass' degree. I know people who have done this. Basically your degree is either pass/fail. So even if you get a 1st, its still as pass.
Your TP is graded though. It is graded the same as OFSTED- outstanding, good, satisfactory, unsatisfactory. You are given proof of this.
With regard to how easy it is to get in- It depends on the subjects and the college. There are so many colleges that do teacher training that it probably would be possible to get in somewhere with a pass degree.However, places like Edge Hill, with a very good rep, will only take very strong candidates, not necessarily top students academically, but definitely would have to show an aptitude for teaching. You would still be expected to have a 2:2 at least.
Having said that, I teach in the UK and we had a student teacher last year who had a 2:2 sports science degree and she was allowed train as an A level biology teacher as it's a subject in demand. She was in quite a good college too. She ended up failing though as she didn't have the subject knowledge (plant biology mainly) but they let her on the course in the 1st place!
There are a lot of colleges in London so if the person is expecting low grades I would look into a few there. When applying, she should look at the OFSTED report for the teacher training colleges as some of the quality of the training can be quite poor.

Ray tray I think it depends where you do hdip as two people I work with said where they went to college it was pass or fail and now get pass hdip allowance.

raytray

Oh no, your right. I think it always is pass or fail. In most colleges anyway/ But just because it's pass doesnt mean the person only got 40%. So I know people who sent in their assignment results to the DES to show that they had got 60% (but were still awarded a pass) overall so that would be equivalent of a 2:1 or whatever and then they were given the honours allowance. But sure it's gone now anyway!

El Inho

i was applying with a discretionary 2.1 and getting alot of rejection so i just gave up.

Millem

eldwaro wrote: »

i was applying with a discretionary 2.1 and getting alot of rejection so i just gave up.

Not to worry eldwaro, to be honest I don't think there are any jobs! My friends' school is losing 5 teachers next year. The teachers left will be teaching a bit of everything next year as hours will be absorbed!

El Inho

Millem wrote: »

Not to worry eldwaro, to be honest I don't think there are any jobs! My friends' school is losing 5 teachers next year. The teachers left will be teaching a bit of everything next year as hours will be absorbed!

well my plan b is masters to get the extra points and then hdip in ireland. failing that, i think ill just become a historian...cant be that hard!