Fringe S04E20 "Worlds Apart" [** SPOILERS **]

FreudianSlippers

The teams on both sides fight on for a common cause, and there are shocking developments tied to the Cortexiphan children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7uMocumLsw

Antar Bolaeisk

Hi Freudian Slippers,

I think you've got the episodes mixed up as this is clearly not a continuation of last week's episode which it had damn well better be :mad:

FreudianSlippers

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

Hi Freudian Slippers,

I think you've got the episodes mixed up as this is clearly not a continuation of last week's episode which it had damn well better be :mad:

I know... I know :madsad:

libra02

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

Hi Freudian Slippers,

I think you've got the episodes mixed up as this is clearly not a continuation of last week's episode which it had damn well better be :mad:

Hate to break it to you if you don't already know but this weeks Fringe jumps back to 2012 and will stay in 2012 till end of season. Have to see how it concludes with DRJ

Apparently Letter's of Transit storyline is an opening for Season 5 story line - that is if we get a Season 5.

VinLieger

libra02 wrote: »

Hate to break it to you if you don't already know but this weeks Fringe jumps back to 2012 and will stay in 2012 till end of season. Have to see how it concludes with DRJ

Apparently Letter's of Transit storyline is an opening for Season 5 story line - that is if we get a Season 5.

If we dont after Letters of Transit i call Firefly fiasco all over again

Antar Bolaeisk

libra02 wrote: »

Hate to break it to you if you don't already know but this weeks Fringe jumps back to 2012 and will stay in 2012 till end of season. Have to see how it concludes with DRJ

Apparently Letter's of Transit storyline is an opening for Season 5 story line - that is if we get a Season 5.

This is lies, next week's episode is set in 2036 as well.

[Yes, I know I'm only deluding myself ]

OwaynOTT

Seriously back to this timeline!

The Black Oil

I hope they give a decent explanation as to DRJ's motivation re what he intends to do. If they don't it'll be a bit of a waste.

mrkite77

The Black Oil wrote: »

I hope they give a decent explanation as to DRJ's motivation re what he intends to do. If they don't it'll be a bit of a waste.

They spell it out, but it's certainly insane.. but that fits DRJ, he *is* insane.

I wonder why no one thought to just gather up the cortexiphan people from the other universe and just bring them over.. wouldn't that prevent the plan from working? I guess they figured tracking down 28 people in 6 hours was impossible, but I would've at least liked to hear the idea shot down.

I didn't tear up when the two Walters were at beside each other talking. No-siree-bob.

Antar Bolaeisk

mrkite77 wrote: »

I wonder why no one thought to just gather up the cortexiphan people from the other universe and just bring them over.. wouldn't that prevent the plan from working? I guess they figured tracking down 28 people in 6 hours was impossible, but I would've at least liked to hear the idea shot down.

Or maybe just putting a bullet in their alternate's head.

Very good episode this week, kept the pressure and interest throughout. Infuriating ending though, that eight minutes is going to feel like eight days waiting to see what happens next.

libra02

Really good episode tonight.

Excited to see how next week goes. Though does anyone think they might have fallen into Jones trap - he will have a Plan B as he knew they would turn off the machine, I bet you he banked on it.

Felt myself welling up at the end when they were all saying their goodbye's. Even earlier in the ep when the 2 Olivia's were talking about Rainbow's. I really hope this is not the last we see of the Alt Verse and Lincoln. Bad enough the killed off his Alt and now me might not get to see him again. Depressing stuff.

iguana

mrkite77 wrote: »

I wonder why no one thought to just gather up the cortexiphan people from the other universe and just bring them over.. wouldn't that prevent the plan from working? I guess they figured tracking down 28 people in 6 hours was impossible, but I would've at least liked to hear the idea shot down.

I was wondering that too but it seemed that Lane's Salem earthquake would have worked even though his doppelgänger was in our universe. So I think it's more tuning into their vibration that starts the quake, and where they are doesn't really matter. Of course killing and cremating the doppelgängers should definitely do the trick. Or maybe the two Walters could sort out a vibration changing chamber or something more humane. Their first step should definitely have been locating them, with the other universes superior technology it would probably have been pretty easy.

Also I assume that regardless of the existence of the bridge, Olivia can still pop back and forth at will?

How Soon Is Now

Promo for next weeks finale part 1 incase anyone aint seen it yet

libra02

iguana wrote: »

I was wondering that too but it seemed that Lane's Salem earthquake would have worked even though his doppelgänger was in our universe. So I think it's more tuning into their vibration that starts the quake, and where they are doesn't really matter. Of course killing and cremating the doppelgängers should definitely do the trick. Or maybe the two Walters could sort out a vibration changing chamber or something more humane. Their first step should definitely have been locating them, with the other universes superior technology it would probably have been pretty easy.

Also I assume that regardless of the existence of the bridge, Olivia can still pop back and forth at will?

Yes Olivia still has the power to cross over and back but not sure if she has mastered that ability in this timeline but if they really need to communicate with the RedVerse they have a possible way.

The Black Oil

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't tear up when the two Walters were at beside each other talking. No-siree-bob.

I didn't, but that scene was top class TV. It seemed just about right. Their relationship started off with complete mistrust, though they still don't fully trust each other, I think there relationship is right where it ought to be.

It was quite a sedate episode and had funeral type feel to it, though I don't view those as negative points. Felt a bit like the very last episode of the show.

I still find it incredibly brave the way they show the Twin Towers standing in the alternate universe.

I guess they figured since capturing yer man who was brainwashed and able to escape didn't work, they'd take a more drastic step
DRJ probably does have a plan for that too though

libra02

bluewolf wrote: »

I guess they figured since capturing yer man who was brainwashed and able to escape didn't work, they'd take a more drastic step
DRJ probably does have a plan for that too though

Yep as I said previously I think they might have fallen into Jones trap. He would bet on them turning off the machine to save the 2 universes and risk the red verse either getting worse, or settling for been somewhat healed.

So he def have a major next step up his sleeve and he still can cross over and back.

J-blk

Wasn't DRJ trying to destroy/disable the machine/bridge anyway? Is that not what he sent alt. Broyles to do awhile back, but was foiled when Broyles decided to turn himself in rather than follow DRJ's orders? So now, he got Fringe division to do it for him... or am I missing something?

J-blk

J-blk wrote: »

Wasn't DRJ trying to destroy/disable the machine/bridge anyway? Is that not what he sent alt. Broyles to do awhile back, but was foiled when Broyles decided to turn himself in rather than follow DRJ's orders? So now, he got Fringe division to do it for him... or am I missing something?

oh yeah :eek::eek:

Could it be possible that DRJ was just completely against the two universes staying in contact with each other, for whatever reason, and was using those attacks to show that they're better off separate?

Redisle

Also couldn't DRJ just use one of those portable bridge devices he has to recreate the link and continue to use the cortexifan subjects?

J-blk

Deleted User wrote: »

Could it be possible that DRJ was just completely against the two universes staying in contact with each other, for whatever reason, and was using those attacks to show that they're better off separate?

I think what Walter described as his plan in this episode is pretty much it really - a bit odd that they had to spell things out so clearly for the audience but I guess it's been hard to put all the pieces together so far. But what Walter described does indeed make sense regarding the porcupine people and that town that got merged/destroyed, etc. So I think that is what DRJ wants - to create his own universe as he sees fit. The whole thing about the "war" against the other universe was just the lie he was feeding the cortexiphan kids (or maybe not even, as Lane stayed loyal to him through it all).

Redisle wrote: »

Also couldn't DRJ just use one of those portable bridge devices he has to recreate the link and continue to use the cortexifan subjects?

I think the portable devices are way too small scale compared to the bridge and can only keep a connection active for short amounts of time for that to work.

But like I said above, I think the plan was always to destroy/disable the bridge for whatever reason and he now got what he wanted. The cortexiphan kids were probably plan B after alt. Broyles didn't deliver.

Haven't watched that preview above though, want to go into the finale unspoiled!

Could "The War" be between the universes and the observers and DRJ's fighting the observers?! It would be insane if the fringe dept's were wrong and he was right!

Great episode though, can't wait for the two finale's

expectationlost

so what about mr x, the zepplin man who will kill her, very little info on him only that he appeared in the lsd ep

red dave

Pappa Dolla wrote: »

Could "The War" be between the universes and the observers and DRJ's fighting the observers?! It would be insane if the fringe dept's were wrong and he was right!

Great episode though, can't wait for the two finale's

That's what i thought

iguana

Isn't the 'war' just the one that Belly and Walter were preparing the cortexiphan subjects for back in the 80s. The books that Peter found in the first series that first referenced the cortexiphan trials, were all about preparing soldiers for a coming war.

don ramo

is DRJ building an army to take on the observers, or is he working with them, that i think will be the big question,

somehow i think hes working with them, as both worlds are much stronger when they are connected, and by getting both sides to shut down the bridge each universe now becomes weaker and easier targets for the observers, there is just no way he could be that smart, even Walter seemed surprised as to how smart he is, and that not an easy thing to do,

i loved how they had everyone's alts together, and i really hope it isn't the last well see of them,

a solid episode setting it up nicely now for the 2 part finale, and season 5 of course:D:D

mewso

Yeah was expecting someone to say just in time that maybe closing the bridge was just giving Jones what he wants especially as Walter had mentioned early in the episode how he had underestimated him.

One slight issue with the episode. You are supposed to be at a certain point on the planet at a specific moment so with 20 seconds to go before you need to be there you are still studying a map trying to find this point?

Antar Bolaeisk

J-blk wrote: »

Wasn't DRJ trying to destroy/disable the machine/bridge anyway? Is that not what he sent alt. Broyles to do awhile back, but was foiled when Broyles decided to turn himself in rather than follow DRJ's orders? So now, he got Fringe division to do it for him... or am I missing something?

I wonder would the destruction of the machine have destroyed the bridge or would it have prevented the closing of the bridge.

Einhard

Does anyone think that closing the bridge may have been part of DRJ's plan? And that perhaps the event spoken of in the 2036 timeline last episode about saving one universe at huge cost might have something to do with that? Maybe? Perhaps? Ahem...

don ramo

Einhard wrote: »

Does anyone think that closing the bridge may have been part of DRJ's plan? And that perhaps the event spoken of in the 2036 timeline last episode about saving one universe at huge cost might have something to do with that? Maybe? Perhaps? Ahem...

did you even read the thread

Random_Person

That yellow laser at the end of the Fox Trailer HAS to be from the Observers.. my theory is that DRJ is working with the observers somehow and was trying to sever the link between the two universes. He nearly planted the device but was foiled so used the cortexephan subjects to sever it. Maybe he wasn't planning on destroying the worlds at all..

But most likely I'm completely wrong.. :pac: Whatever happens I can't wait to see it.. goddamn cliffhangers

Einhard

don ramo wrote: »

did you even read the thread

Yeah sorry, I read the first page and it was half past midnight and had to be up at 5am so kinda skipped the rest! Or maybe it's some mysterious form of alternate timeline type thing. I'm going with the latter actually.

expectationlost

Random_Person wrote: »

That yellow laser at the end of the Fox Trailer HAS to be from the Observers.. my theory is that DRJ is working with the observers somehow and was trying to sever the link between the two universes. He nearly planted the device but was foiled so used the cortexephan subjects to sever it. Maybe he wasn't planning on destroying the worlds at all..

But most likely I'm completely wrong.. :pac: Whatever happens I can't wait to see it.. goddamn cliffhangers

i think drj is jsut another big bad trying to use the fringe happenings to his advantage and thye might even disrupt out the actions of the observrs