Electric shower install cost

Doodoo

Just wondering can someone give me a breakdown cost of wiring an electric shower. The shower will be mounted and plumbed by others. Price should include labour, 40amp rcbo, 20m of 10sq cable and pull cord.

Any thread I've found has been from the boom times so the prices are a bit steep for today's climate.

mozil

GARO 40 amp rcbo 21E
20m 10sq 50E
45amp DP pull cord 10E

just got these prices off an online wholesalers pm if you want the name

as for labour all your really doing is running a cable, and it seems to me your just fishing for prices, you could probly get that done for 20 quid others might try charging you 80E others more...

M cebee

you're probably supplying yourself by the sound of it

labour depends on cable route and standard of work etc

not much to breakdown

Doodoo

M cebee wrote: »

you're probably supplying yourself by the sound of it

labour depends on cable route and standard of work etc

not much to breakdown

I work for an industrial electrical contractor and dont do nixers to often nowadays. I supplied the materials from stuff i had bought a couple of years ago but just wanted to check whats the going rate for labour and materials in todays climate. The job took me 2.5 hours and was very neat. All cables were fished down plasterboard walls and through attic.

Bruthal

mozil wrote: »

GARO 40 amp rcbo 21E
20m 10sq 50E
45amp DP pull cord 10E

just got these prices off an online wholesalers pm if you want the name

as for labour all your really doing is running a cable, and it seems to me your just fishing for prices, you could probly get that done for 20 quid others might try charging you 80E others more...

20 quid:D:D

2011

mozil wrote: »

you could probly get that done for 20 quid

This work should be carried by a professional and they won't work for 1/2 of the minimum wage.

fred funk }{

mozil wrote: »

GARO 40 amp rcbo 21E
20m 10sq 50E
45amp DP pull cord 10E

just got these prices off an online wholesalers pm if you want the name

as for labour all your really doing is running a cable, and it seems to me your just fishing for prices, you could probly get that done for 20 quid others might try charging you 80E others more...

€20? That might just cover the diesel in his van.

paddy147

Now from the 1st off...Im not saying everyone or refering to everyone....But.......

Theres a few professional sparks ( and other professional trades people) out there,who are sick and tired of being on the dole (after being laid off work through no fault of their own) and would do the work at a lower rate,just for the sake of doing a few hours worth of work.

More so for something to do and keeping occupied and not being bored or becomming depressed (massive increase in this illness in the construction/trade skills sector).



All because the banks not giving money/credit to companies so companies closing down/letting staff go,and also Mr Kenny and Mr Gilmore with their constant lies and total lack of job creation and thus forcing mass emmigration instead.:mad:

fred funk }{

Paddy, what do you think a fair price would be for the above job?

Bruthal

paddy147 wrote: »

Now from the 1st off...Im not saying everyone or refering to everyone....But.......

Theres a few professional sparks ( and other professional trades people) out there,who are sick and tired of being on the dole (after being laid off work through no fault of their own) and would do the work at a lower rate,just for the sake of doing a few hours worth of work.

More so for something to do and keeping occupied and not being bored or becomming depressed (massive increase in this illness in the construction/trade skills sector).

All because the banks not giving money/credit to companies so companies closing down/letting staff go,and also Mr Kenny and Mr Gilmore with their constant lies and total lack of job creation and thus forcing mass emmigration instead.:mad:

I think shower installs are one of the easiest to do. Id would do the plumbing side of it as well, but not a hope id be doing even just the electrical side of it on an already installed shower for €20.

M cebee

Doodoo wrote: »

I work for an industrial electrical contractor and dont do nixers to often nowadays. I supplied the materials from stuff i had bought a couple of years ago but just wanted to check whats the going rate for labour and materials in todays climate. The job took me 2.5 hours and was very neat. All cables were fished down plasterboard walls and through attic.

fishing t+e at random down a plasterboard wall wouldn't be allowed afaik

it'd be ok if it is 'going to a point' or has mechanical protection

i'd have to look up the exact rules on it

Bruthal

M cebee wrote: »

fishing t+e at random down a plasterboard wall wouldn't be allowed afaik

it'd be ok if it is 'going to a point' or has mechanical protection

i'd have to look up the exact rules on it

I thought that would be ok myself. Put up what you find out anyway.

M cebee

doubt it

i would never fish a t+e at random through a stud wall or drylined wall myself

surface pvc trunking

M cebee

doesn't seem to be allowed

within 150mm of corner or ceiling it's allowed

lynchieboy

Is this house a bungalow or 2 story? 2 story makes it an awful lot harder, pulling up floorboards etc etc.

Bruthal

So the belief is, a picture being hung, and a plastic wavin will protect the double insulated cable?

Doodoo

M cebee wrote: »

fishing t+e at random down a plasterboard wall wouldn't be allowed afaik

it'd be ok if it is 'going to a point' or has mechanical protection

i'd have to look up the exact rules on it

All existing cables from the attic to the board in the house are ran in the exact same way.

Bruthal

If you were wiring a house, and a few circuits are going up inside a studded wall from downstairs to attic, wavin is needed around them?

M cebee

robbie7730 wrote: »

So the belief is, a picture being hung, and a plastic wavin will protect the double insulated cable?

no

cables drop to a point generally

if they're hidden randomly behind a slab etc,that's a different matter

you don't expect them to be there

Doodoo

lynchieboy wrote: »

Is this house a bungalow or 2 story? 2 story makes it an awful lot harder, pulling up floorboards etc etc.

Standard 4 bed semi.


Any chance of an answer to the original question - a price for the job.

M cebee

robbie7730 wrote: »

If you were wiring a house, and a few circuits are going up inside a studded wall from downstairs to attic, wavin is needed around them?

armour or conduit or surface pvc trunking

that's the rules afaik

always thought this was common knowledge unless i'm hugely mistaken

building voids and cavity walls aren't covered by this rule

and there's special rules for bathrooms

Bruthal

M cebee wrote: »

armour or conduit or surface pvc trunking

that's the rules afaik

always thought this was common knowledge unless i'm hugely mistaken

building voids and cavity walls aren't covered by this rule

and there's special rules for bathrooms

Well i should of said partition wall rather than studded as thats what i meant.

lynchieboy

Without looking at the job I'd say around €200. Pulling up floor boards and getting cable up to attic could be messy depending on where the consumer unit is located.

Bruthal

M cebee wrote: »

robbie7730 wrote: »

So the belief is, a picture being hung, and a plastic wavin will protect the double insulated cable?

no

cables drop to a point generally

if they're hidden randomly behind a slab etc,that's a different matter

you don't expect them to be there

It must be the thinking behind it. If its ok to "randomly" put the cable within 150mm of the corner without conduit, (a rule that has come up here before), then putting it down the middle if the wall requiring conduit is because it is more likely to be nailed etc.

M cebee

robbie7730 wrote: »

Well i should of said partition wall rather than studded as thats what i meant.

'concealed' wires in solid walls,hollow walls and partitions

must have armour or conduit unless dropping to a 'point'

or ran within 150mm of corner or ceiling

that's the basic jist of it as far as i can tell

i always assumed it was the case without checking

2011

M cebee wrote: »

'concealed' wires in solid walls,hollow walls and partitions

must have armour or conduit unless dropping to a 'point'

or ran within 150mm of corner or ceiling

that's the basic jist of it as far as i can tell

i always assumed it was the case without checking

If the cable is running vertically to a socket, switch etc. it is not considered "concealed". Because if somebody sees a socket they should know not to nail a picture above it. This is how it was explained to me by an inspector.

paddymick

Doodoo wrote: »

Standard 4 bed semi.


Any chance of an answer to the original question - a price for the job.

I would always give a price for doing a shower and not time+materials.
Usually around €300+vat +or- depending on hardship involved..

But it can often work out more because its usually an older house that hasnt got an electric shower installed and people always fail to look at the most important fact first which is what size are the mains tails.

A lot of houses are still fed with a 6sq mains so these will need to be upgraded which means giving the ESB €161 after the electritian has given a cert and probably had to stick an earth rod in aswell..

Then the electrician has to come back to replace his tails and what ever other work is needed at the board for the change over..

All this has to be paid for and thats before we get on to doing the shower..

Pricing a job without looking at it is near impossible as every job is unique and you never know whats actually involved till you see it..

paddymick

paddy147 wrote: »

Theres a few professional sparks ( and other professional trades people) out there,who are sick and tired of being on the dole (after being laid off work through no fault of their own) and would do the work at a lower rate,just for the sake of doing a few hours worth of work.

More so for something to do and keeping occupied and not being bored or becomming depressed (massive increase in this illness in the construction/trade skills sector).

I sorta agree with this because if I found myself on the dole Im sure I would do some jobs for cash at lower price just to keep going and to get out of the house too.

But unfortunatly this has the very bad side effect of putting legit lads out of business therfore putting more lads on the dole.

Its a very difficult subject as altough I understand why people would do it I still would have to be against it..

M cebee

2011 wrote: »

If the cable is running vertically to a socket, switch etc. it is not considered "concealed". Because if somebody sees a socket they should know not to nail a picture above it. This is how it was explained to me by an inspector.

the rules don't put it that way

paddy147

paddymick wrote: »

I sorta agree with this because if I found myself on the dole Im sure I would do some jobs for cash at lower price just to keep going and to get out of the house too.

But unfortunatly this has the very bad side effect of putting legit lads out of business therfore putting more lads on the dole.

Its a very difficult subject as altough I understand why people would do it I still would have to be against it..

I never said anything about anyone not being legit.

There are many professionals who go to the SW office and declare when they get a days work or even a few hours work.

So lets not just presume and taint everyone with the 1 brush.

Regards.:)

M cebee

paddy147 wrote: »

I never said anything about anyone not being legit.

There are many professionals who go to the SW office and declare when they get a days or work or even a few hours work.

So lets not just presume and taint everyone with the 1 brush.

Regards.:)

paddymick

paddy147 wrote: »

I never said anything about anyone not being legit.

There are many professionals who go to the SW office and declare when they get a days work or even a few hours work.

So lets not just presume and taint everyone with the 1 brush.

Regards.:)

Nobody is tainting anyone with any brush.

I took it as you where referring to lads on the dole do some work on the side
and if thats not what you where talking about then my mistake..

2011

M cebee wrote: »

the rules don't put it that way

In my opinion they do.

'concealed' wires in solid walls,hollow walls and partitions

must have armour or conduit unless dropping to a 'point'

To me a point is a socket, switch etc.
According to your post above wires do not not require armor or conduit when feeding "a point".

I have wired inspected installations without using conduit or armor for vertical drops in partition walls.

What kind of conduit would you suggest?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

I did a similar job recently. Im a 4th year apprentice and it was a nixer. 3 or 4 bedroom semi d, ran 10sq T&E from CU in plastic trunking up tight to the ceiling above the stairs and up into the attic where the landing is, to pull cord switch then from switch to shower. 40a rcbo in CU. Took me 3 hours including soup and sandwich and as I was only providing labour the cost was €80

meercat

522.6.5
wiring concealed in hollow walls and partitions shall be protected by an earth metal screen,armouring,metal conduit or trunking,against damage by penetration or impact by nails or drills except where the following conditions apply

a) the distance measured horizontally between the wiring and the reverse surface of the walls is not less than 50mm

b) the wiring is installed :

in a straight vertical or horizontal run going directly to a point,accessory or switchgear mounted on a wall or partition,or

within a vertical distance of 150mm from a ceiling,or

within a horizontal distance of 150mm from a corner formed by two adjoining walls

M cebee

2011 wrote: »

M cebee wrote: »

the rules don't put it that way

In my opinion they do.

'concealed' wires in solid walls,hollow walls and partitions

must have armour or conduit unless dropping to a 'point'

To me a point is a socket, switch etc.
According to your post above wires do not not require armor or conduit when feeding "a point".

I have wired inspected installations without using conduit or armor for vertical drops in partition walls.

What kind of conduit would you suggest?

you've lost me 2011
see meercats post

2011

M cebee wrote: »

you've lost me 2011
see meercats post

I agree with his post.

No conduit required within a partition wall if a cables are feeding socket, accessory etc.

M cebee

2011 wrote: »

I agree with his post.

No conduit required within a partition wall if a cables are feeding socket, accessory etc.

yes of course not!

maybe you should go back and read my posts

2011

M cebee wrote: »

maybe you should go back and read my posts

I did and saw this:

i would never fish a t+e at random through a stud wall or drylined wall myself

surface pvc trunking

I guess that I took a different meaning from it, apologies.
It seems we agree

meercat

M cebee

2011 wrote: »

I did and saw this:



I guess that I took a different meaning from it, apologies.
It seems we agree

no problem

Bruthal

meercat wrote: »

Feck that, i love causing trouble, who`s next:mad::mad:
Jokin of course

meercat

robbie7730 wrote: »

Feck that, i love causing trouble, who`s next:mad::mad:
Jokin of course

robbie7730
manys a truth said in jest
time for a leg update:D

Bruthal

meercat wrote: »

robbie7730
manys a truth said in jest
time for a leg update:D

:D
I had a little hidden bit in white, just in case someone believed me for once:D

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Doodoo wrote: »

Just wondering can someone give me a breakdown cost of wiring an electric shower. The shower will be mounted and plumbed by others. Price should include labour, 40amp rcbo, 20m of 10sq cable and pull cord.

Any thread I've found has been from the boom times so the prices are a bit steep for today's climate.

Forgot to mention doodoo, i didn't buy the materials but as far as i know they were approx €100