Sanctuary & Dogs

German pointer

Any help on this one?

Friend of mine said it was illegal to walk dogs in game sanctuarys in or out of season even without guns. Is this true or false?

lb1981

German pointer wrote: »

Any help on this one?

Friend of mine said it was illegal to walk dogs in game sanctuarys in or out of season even without guns. Is this true or false?

It is not technically "illegal" but a lad with a dog should have the kop on and repect for the person who made it a sanctuary to stay out of there.

German pointer

lb1981 wrote: »

It is not technically "illegal" but a lad with a dog should have the kop on and repect for the person who made it a sanctuary to stay out of there.

We are not walking in them but It came up in conversaition as to could a dog could go into one to retrive a bird that was shot outside one. Like going in to a state forrest to retrive a deer shot outside it.

rabbit assassin

Dont you need permission to enter the land even just to retrieve wounded game? sanctuary or no sanctuary !!
And if you were to enter a sanctuary to honestly retrieve a bird or any other animal, sanctuary's are usually thriving with wildlife so unless you have a very well controlled dog it could be likely to run wild flushing and chasing.

German pointer

rabbit assassin wrote: »

Dont you need permission to enter the land even just to retrieve wounded game? sanctuary or no sanctuary !!
And if you were to enter a sanctuary to honestly retrieve a bird or any other animal, sanctuary's are usually thriving with wildlife so unless you have a very well controlled dog it could be likely to run wild flushing and chasing.

Alot of the river where I live is a sanctuary and I respect that but below the sanctuary I have a foreshore permit from the state to hunt for wildfowl. Now the question is can I walk my dog on the river bank in or out of season and can my dog enter the sanctuary to retrive game shot outside it when in season? All of the river bank has public access with walkways on some of it. ALSO MY DOG COMES WHEN HE IS CALLED.

Tawny Owl

German pointer wrote: »

Alot of the river where I live is a sanctuary and I respect that but below the sanctuary I have a foreshore permit from the state to hunt for wildfowl. Now the question is can I walk my dog on the river bank in or out of season and can my dog enter the sanctuary to retrive game shot outside it when in season? All of the river bank has public access with walkways on some of it. ALSO MY DOG COMES WHEN HE IS CALLED.

My understanding is if you shot a Bird and it landed or fell on sanctuary ground the Dog can get it you dont want to leave a Bird that may still not be dead same as Coillte forest land they express you use a dog to recover birds

Birdnuts

There was serious aggro here last year when a chap insisted on training his gundog during the off-season right in the middle of the conservancies duck ponds. I saw him recently at the same craic in a another part of the conservancy near the pheasant feeders:rolleyes:

blackstairsboy

Really winds me up people hunting dogs smack in the middle of the breeding season. Even young pups should not be allowed to hunt in areas where gamebirds might nest in my opinion from mid March though until the end of August. Give the dogs a break work on obiedience and the like. Nesting gamebirds have enough to worry about without being hunted by dogs on top of everything else.

meathstevie

blackstairsboy wrote: »

Really winds me up people hunting dogs smack in the middle of the breeding season. Even young pups should not be allowed to hunt in areas where gamebirds might nest in my opinion from mid March though until the end of August. Give the dogs a break work on obiedience and the like. Nesting gamebirds have enough to worry about without being hunted by dogs on top of everything else.

And it'll be the same genius that'll give out that there's no birds come November. It's not only stupid letting your dogs run free and hunt during the breeding season, you can also be committing offences when they disturb nests.

As for the sanctuary thing; if it's just a club sanctuary you should ask around at a club meeting what the craic is, can it be used for dog training purposes without guns ? Does the landowner allow club access on the condition that there's no actual hunting ? As for land that's "sanctuary" by law as in national parks and certain SAC's it's whatever the legislation or area specific rules say.

djflawless

meathstevie wrote: »

As for the sanctuary thing; if it's just a club sanctuary you should ask around at a club meeting what the craic is, can it be used for dog training purposes without guns ?

this is the confusion with our club
chairmen say after march we can't run dogs on the land..club offences with club disciplinary measures etc
but every so often theres a high up club member i meet on the land.when i approach him about it he says that the rule wasnt applied for this season
and if i raise it at a club meeting theres the 'ah well hes been on the land for years' excuse.it should become a dedicated rule or be 100% ruled out IMO

meathstevie

djflawless wrote: »

this is the confusion with our club
chairmen say after march we can't run dogs on the land..club offences with club disciplinary measures etc
but every so often theres a high up club member i meet on the land.when i approach him about it he says that the rule wasnt applied for this season
and if i raise it at a club meeting theres the 'ah well hes been on the land for years' excuse.it should become a dedicated rule or be 100% ruled out IMO

That's entirely a club problem. You can still remind him that disturbing and interfering with nests is an offence hich is highly likely to be committed if he lets his dog(s) hunt during breeding seasons. By the way, it's not only game birds' nests, it's all birds' nests.

snipe02

while in the hide today saw three springers and setter followed about 500 yards back by a man and there are no rabbits in the area .. anyway this thread popped into my head and was thinking i hunt rabbits during summer with my dogs and would certainly train pups on rabbits now my dogs are well under control and i would only be in places alive with rabbits and to be honest never came on any nests or disturbed too many hens the odd one of coarse and the odd cock have disturbed mallard from nests while fishing now never thought too much about this but now its come up could someone give us an idea of the more likely spots too find them like long grass and the wood floor etc so they can be avoided or is it better avoided all together i would hate to think i was doing damage

meathstevie

I'd try to avoid altogether.