Runner v Jogger

hot to trot

On the entry form for the West of Ireland womens mini marathon you have to choose if you are a *walker, *jogger or * runner.

So what's the difference between runner and jogger and at what point do you switch from one to the other ?
This annoys me a bit and think that expected finishing time might be more useful for grading or staggering a starting crowd.

I read in some running book lately that anything slower than a 6mm mile is jogging . Well I'm sure a lot of committed runners here doing 7 and 8mm don't consider themselves joggers.

Someone doing 10mm and 60/70 miles per week is obviously committed and focussed and serious about their running. Are they joggers??

Pisco Sour

Anything slower than around 8 metres per second is jogging!

RayCun

hot to trot wrote: »

On the entry form for the West of Ireland womens mini marathon you have to choose if you are a *walker, *jogger or * runner.

In Dublin, the categories are Elite (sub 45 10k), Runner (sub 60), Fast Jogger (sub 70), Jogger (no time requirement), and Walker.

I guess in the West you decide for yourself if you're a runner or a jogger.

Pisco Sour

RayCun wrote: »

In Dublin, the categories are Elite (sub 45 10k), Runner (sub 60), Fast Jogger (sub 70), Jogger (no time requirement), and Walker.

I guess in the West you decide for yourself if you're a runner or a jogger.

Herein lies the answer I guess. Under an hour and you are a runner.

EDIT: Sub 45 being elite has to be a pisstake.

Domer

I often heard it said that the difference between a jogger and a runner is the name on an entry form.

If you race, your are a runner. If you run for fun and fitness, but dont ever race, then you are a jogger. I dont believe you can catagorise based on times.

Can't remember where I heard this definition, but I think anything else is a wee bit elitist... not that you would ever get elitism on boards (tongue firmly in cheek)

ThePiedPiper

In my opinion, it's not about the speed you're moving, it's about your intention and mindset.

A jogger is someone who is not looking at the watch, is maybe chatting to people or listening to a bit of music. A lot of joggers are doing it to get health benefits

A runner is someone who is absolutely focussed on the running, the goal is more than the health issue, there is a genuine love for pushing yourself, improving and doing your best.

The racer is somebody who is either keeping a strict eye on the people around them for position, or somebody who is locked into an exact time on the clock, after having set this goal time or position a long time in advance.

Rantan

I used get upset when friends would tell me... "oh, I passed you out jogging last night" ... now I dont care anymore.....personally I think you're a little insecure if it bothers you....!

CloseToTheEdge

I think you are a runner when being called a jogger bothers you.

(and its still does)

Dermo09

RunForestRun wrote: »

In my opinion, it's not about the speed you're moving, it's about your intention and mindset.

A jogger is someone who is not looking at the watch, is maybe chatting to people or listening to a bit of music. A lot of joggers are doing it to get health benefits

A runner is someone who is absolutely focussed on the running, the goal is more than the health issue, there is a genuine love for pushing yourself, improving and doing your best.

The racer is somebody who is either keeping a strict eye on the people around them for position, or somebody who is locked into an exact time on the clock, after having set this goal time or position a long time in advance.

This is a fantastic way of seperating the 2...i concur completely...

wrstan

CloseToTheEdge wrote: »

I think you are a runner when being called a jogger bothers you.

(and its still does)

Me too!
I'm only just about learning to cope with the "Run Forrest Run!"

walshb

04072511 wrote: »

Herein lies the answer I guess. Under an hour and you are a runner.

EDIT: Sub 45 being elite has to be a pisstake.

Was thinking that myself. I could do a sub 45 10 K. I am not near elite. I am runner/jogger material.

walshb

A runner to me is a competitive runner. Soemone who competes at a certain standard. I would say sub 40 10 k is a runner, sub 35 is elite.

littlebug

H2T it matters little with regards to the race in Castlebar, I've done it the last two years and there weren't different coloured numbers or anything (well that I noticed anyway). Runners, joggers and walkers started in 3 different sections but you made your mind up yourself. I thought I was being cheeky starting at the back of the runners section (aiming to finish in "about" an hour) but I was already passing walkers before we got off the mall.
With regard to elite...I don't know what's considered elite in International terms but in the west of Ireland mini marathon last year only 11/ 3000 (ish) finished under 45 mins and only 1 under 40 mins. I don't know how that compares percentage wise to the flora mini marathon results.

pconn062

Opening a can of worms with this one!

LarMan

My Garmin connect Training center has a number of Zones ranging from Slow Walk to Max speed. You get into the Slow run Zone at about 5:10 per KM pace and the Run Zone starts at about 4:20 per KM pace.

So I suppose according to it you are a runner as opposed to a slow runner when you can run at 14kph or 8.7mph. This would get you over the 10K line in 43 minutes so I suppose a runner is someone who can complete a 10K in 43minutes.

So based on that it seems I am a slow runner/Jogger......I'll get my coat:o

average_runner

walshb wrote: »

A runner to me is a competitive runner. Soemone who competes at a certain standard. I would say sub 40 10 k is a runner, sub 35 is elite.

Wouldnt agree with this. A 39:45 10 k runner is not really competitive or put any one under pressure in a decent race.


To me a runner is someone who trains regularly to reach a target in time.

Pisco Sour

If you asked this question on letsrun the answer would be that anybody below 16 minutes for 5k is a runner.

average_runner

04072511 wrote: »

If you asked this question on letsrun the answer would be that anybody below 16 minutes for 5k is a runner.

Actually i changed my mind, anyone who runs with a garmin is a runner:D

Pisco Sour

average_runner wrote: »

Actually i changed my mind, anyone who runs with a garmin is a runner:D

Anybody who spends more time analysing data from garmin's, heart rate monitors etc than actually running is a runner.

nerraw1111

I thought this was decided by the length of your shorts?

Short shorts = runner.
GAA shorts = jogger.
Bermuda shorts = ledgebag
Swim shorts = American
Combat shorts = hipster
denim shorts = hippie
Run skirt = WTF

solovely

The OP was female, so based on times, do you think there's a difference for males and females? Sounds like most of the "runners" on this forum are male, so it may be biasing things somewhat! While sub 45 for a female might not quite be elite, it's still a hell of a good time and deserves to be classed as runner at least.

RayCun

About 130 women were sub-45 in the Great Ireland Run. Out of 5 or 6 thousand women on the day. That includes the invited elite athletes, and I don't think there are any in the mini marathon. So it certainly makes sense as a wave division.
It's like the sub-20 wave in the Donore (?) 5k, or the sub 40k start at Donadea. It doesn't mean the organisers think people there are going to run any world records, but it's a simple way of making sure that the fastest runners there aren't going to be impeded by people who are less experienced and would line up in the wrong place.

thehack

04072511 wrote: »

If you asked this question on letsrun the answer would be that anybody below 16 minutes for 5k is a runner.

That sounds fast. Are you a runner?

Pisco Sour

thehack wrote: »

That sounds fast. Are you a runner?

Nah, I'd be a jogger so for those distances.

Interested to know what a slower sprinter is called. Can't really use the phrase "jogger" for slower sprinters. A new phrase will need to be coined. Suggestions?

Pisco Sour

RayCun wrote: »

About 130 women were sub-45 in the Great Ireland Jog. Out of 5 or 6 thousand women on the day.

FYP

walshb

average_runner wrote: »

Wouldnt agree with this. A 39:45 10 k runner is not really competitive or put any one under pressure in a decent race.


To me a runner is someone who trains regularly to reach a target in time.

Yes, absolutely. A runner is always trying to improve, but what happens when they reach their best and don't go lower, are they then not a runner?

A competitive person who also reaches a certain standard is a runner. The elite are the ones who reach a standard that is top class, worthy of major competititon nationally or internationally, worthy or records, medals or awards.

So, maybe I need to lower the standard. A runner is sub 35 and elite is sub 30/31?

BTW, my good friend is not a runner as such, as in he is not in a club, and never specifically trained for running, but he did a 36:03 for the ten K run in the park last week. He does runs, but more for the buzz and training. Not competing, well, at least not for plaudits or medals.

Mr Slow

For me a runner is someone focused on pace, distance and time. A jogger isn't!

Pisco Sour

This chap managed to get a lot of mileage out of this question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibllRBZfEfk

couerdelion

04072511 wrote: »

This chap managed to get a lot of mileage out of this question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibllRBZfEfk

terrible accent:rolleyes:

RandyMann

04072511 wrote: »

This chap managed to get a lot of mileage out of this question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibllRBZfEfk

I had to watch that 6 times to take in all the interesting points he made

lway

So a runner is someone who can run long distances for a long time, looks good and is slim.:D

az2wp0sye65487

04072511 wrote: »

thehack wrote: »

That sounds fast. Are you a runner?

Nah, I'd be a jogger so for those distances.

Interested to know what a slower sprinter is called. Can't really use the phrase "jogger" for slower sprinters. A new phrase will need to be coined. Suggestions?

Sprunner???

madon

I did call myself a jogger until I had this conversation with my boss last year after I jogged/ran a local 10k (and I was chuffed after it because I finally broke an hour)
Boss: Well what did you do the weekend
Me: I done that 10k down the town
Boss: Awww that was a good walk for you
Me: ah no I jogged it.
Boss: Ohh my daughter ran it but she'd be fairly fit.

I checked the results and her daughter ran it 15 minutes slower than I jogged it.
So now I just say run too.