Training to fit new water meters?

BONDIred

Does anyone know if you have to have more "formal" training in order to fit the new government planned water meters? Or will being a qualified plumber suffice?

Just rang Chevron training and there are charging 485 if you book before Sunday .

Was wondering if these course will be necessary or if this is even the right one that would be "recognised"?

Cheers

gdavis

what a bargain,485 euro to show you how to cut a pipe and tighten up a couple of nuts!where are they getting their experts that can impart such skills onto mere plumbers?? or taxi drivers,teachers,postmen,or anyone else willing to part with the cash

heinbloed

'Hygene' is propably part of the training.
We have some self-styled plumbers here in the forum who recommend using vegetable oil in drinking water installations.

'Laws of physics' could be another part, the number of frozen pipes in 2o10/11 and 2011/12 speak for a clear language.

Ask your trainer what is involved, sure there is a plan. Well, there should be one.

maradonas

Chevron have a water meter installation tribute on you tube.
No sign of a shovel, mini digger, kango, whacker or cement mixer.

shane0007

heinbloed wrote: »

'Laws of physics' could be another part, the number of frozen pipes in 2o10/11 and 2011/12 speak for a clear language.

So will they be lowering the water mains pipe level completely or will they just slap in a meter at the existing level. You betcha the latter.

Save your money. Bord Gais will have the contract and they will farm it out to Sierra who in turn will farm it out to their installers paying peanuts for the installation. Many installations have been carried out already with only the meter to be screwed in. Levels have not been dropped!

Micky Dolenz

heinbloed wrote: »

'Hygene' is propably part of the training.
We have some self-styled plumbers here in the forum who recommend using vegetable oil in drinking water installations.

'Laws of physics' could be another part, the number of frozen pipes in 2o10/11 and 2011/12 speak for a clear language.

Ask your trainer what is involved, sure there is a plan. Well, there should be one.

A drop of vegetable oil in your water is the very least of your worries.

In my experience, most frozen pipes underground were either frozen at the entry point to the property or the entire section of underground pipe was solid. Dropping a meter deeper will only ensure that the meter doesn't freeze while the rest will.

If you need to be trained on how to fit a meter, you really should be doing something different as an occupation. The hardest part of the job will be making space and making good.

shane0007

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

A drop of vegetable oil in your water is the very least of your worries.

In my experience, most frozen pipes underground were either frozen at the entry point to the property or the entire section of underground pipe was solid. Dropping a meter deeper will only ensure that the meter doesn't freeze while the rest will.

If you need to be trained on how to fit a meter, you really should be doing something different as an occupation. The hardest part of the job will be making space and making good.

+1

DoneDL

heinbloed wrote: »

'Hygene' is propably part of the training.
We have some self-styled plumbers here in the forum who recommend using vegetable oil in drinking water installations.

'Laws of physics' could be another part, the number of frozen pipes in 2o10/11 and 2011/12 speak for a clear language.

Ask your trainer what is involved, sure there is a plan. Well, there should be one.

Considering that we don`t have an existing national water board this is as well thought out an idea as the above post. If there was a countrywide undertaking to provide good quality water to every home and an effort to provide for water consevation as a national issue then fine but the new charges for water are just a form of tax.

Billy Bunting

heinbloed wrote: »

We have some self-styled plumbers here in the forum .

I recon you would be good at meter installation hienblower, even you could cut a piece of pipe, not sure the trainer could put up with your bull though, maybe wait for the septic tank inspectors job to come along, when your full of as much 5hite as you then obviously the job was made for you.

KoolKid

heinbloed wrote: »

'Hygene' is propably part of the training.
We have some self-styled plumbers here in the forum who recommend using vegetable oil in drinking water installations.

Can you give it a rest ?
The plumbers here post a lot of helpful information for others.
They don't spend their time criticising other peoples professions.
Even though some here wont post what their work involves or what their qualifications are.

gdavis

its very sickening that bg get their hands on this.40 euro over 20 years is being bandied about now,u can be sure that after 10 years u will have to fork out again as u will be told they have to be upgraded,if not sooner.absolute joke.Why isnt the effort put in to actually repair and/or replace the pipework that is leaking millions of litres of water every week instead?

gdavis

koolkid,did u not know his profession? its a heating engineer.....obviously !!!

KoolKid

Do you rekon??;)

BONDIred

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

A drop of vegetable oil in your water is the very least of your worries.

In my experience, most frozen pipes underground were either frozen at the entry point to the property or the entire section of underground pipe was solid. Dropping a meter deeper will only ensure that the meter doesn't freeze while the rest will.

If you need to be trained on how to fit a meter, you really should be doing something different as an occupation. The hardest part of the job will be making space and making good.

Not saying it would be difficult to do just that some government agency or business run by a friend of a minister is going to get the contract to train people up on this and only people who have taken the course will be eligible to install. It will then cost money to do the one day course to be "qualified" to install the meter. I would not be surprised at all if this turns out to be the case with the shower of s***s in government.

.243

40 euros a year for water charges!!!! enda kenny may ring trocaire they can supply a whole village for 2 euros a month,and thats without an infrastructure already in place

BONDIred

.243 wrote: »

40 euros a year for water charges!!!! enda kenny may ring trocaire they can supply a whole village for 2 euros a month,and thats without an infrastructure already in place

:D:D:D:D

stonetrower

.243 wrote: »

40 euros a year for water charges!!!! enda kenny may ring trocaire they can supply a whole village for 2 euros a month,and thats without an infrastructure already in place

Siteserve seem to have the job lined up. A Dennis O'Brien owned company bought with a hugh discount of €110 million. Ribeye on politics.ie seems to have the complete story and believe me there are some shocking revelations.

roy rodgers

stonetrower wrote: »

Siteserve seem to have the job lined up. A Dennis O'Brien owned company bought with a hugh discount of €110 million. Ribeye on politics.ie seems to have the complete story and believe me there are some shocking revelations.

And did you hear on today fm (owned by denis o brien) today that they are running a competition were you could win a prize of free water for 20 years
http://www.todayfm.com/Competitions/freewater.aspx
I smell a rat or another tribunal :eek::eek:

JohnnieK

roy rodgers wrote: »

And did you hear on today fm (owned by denis o brien) today that they are running a competition were you could win a prize of free water for 20 years
http://www.todayfm.com/Competitions/freewater.aspx
I smell a rat or another tribunal :eek::eek:

The old Ireland is still very much here with us me thinks

.243

what happens if they arrive to fit a meter only to find there is already one in place,"sorry lads i bought my own and fitted it myself",that would knock the 40 euro standing charge out the window

DGOBS

I am just wondering, if I pay for a water meter, and it's installation onto public property, who owns it? who is liable for service/repair/replacement in the event of something going wrong?

What would happen if it leaked and lets say caused damage to another property, who is liable? (if I paid for it to be installed)

If I own it, what happens if it stops working :cool: by some mysterious force, how will they bill for that period? will I then have to pay for the replacement too?

Is it like a BG gas meter, they own it, service, repair it etc?

paddy147

300,000 houses cant be fitted with water meters because of the infastructure and layout of the water mains.

These houses will be charges a "flat rate" instead.

Court case anyone??????

pache

A new water board being set up(IWB)....

The beginning of corruption....

Yet again.....

paddy147

pache wrote: »

A new water board being set up(IWB)....

The beginning of corruption....

Yet again.....

And stupidly over inflated water prices with countless bullsh1t excuses from Bord Gais or Irish Water,or whatever the hell they want to call themselves,about the countless increases in water prices that will come in aswell.. :mad:

JohnnieK

stonetrower wrote: »

Siteserve seem to have the job lined up. A Dennis O'Brien owned company bought with a hugh discount of €110 million. Ribeye on politics.ie seems to have the complete story and believe me there are some shocking revelations.

Just read that thread on politics.ie,it's unbelievable and too coincidental to be anything other than the truth.

Corkbah

JohnnieK wrote: »

stonetrower wrote: »

Siteserve seem to have the job lined up. A Dennis O'Brien owned company bought with a hugh discount of €110 million. Ribeye on politics.ie seems to have the complete story and believe me there are some shocking revelations.

Just read that thread on politics.ie,it's unbelievable and too coincidental to be anything other than the truth.

...... looks like that Denis O Brien "rumour" could be true ...and the smell of corruption gets stronger and stronger !!


http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/siemens-cheaper-water-meter-offer-snubbed-by-minister-hogan-3088254.html

By Roisin Burke

Sunday April 22 2012

Environment Minister Phil Hogan snubbed a private-sector offer to finance water meters that could have saved over €350m.
German infrastructure and energy giant Siemens offered to foot the €810m-plus cost of installing meters in 1.3 million Irish homes back in 2010, but Mr Hogan didn't pursue the option when he took over at the Department of the Environment.
One of the biggest players in the British water meter market, Siemens proposed funding the fitting of water meters through an investment to be paid back through savings made in the multibillion-euro cost of providing water services once the meters were installed.
Instead the National Pensions Reserve Fund will be raided for €450m to pay some of the bill. The loan from its coffers will have to be paid back with interest at commercial rates, Mr Hogan has admitted, which would be at least €350m. Added to the estimated €810m installation fee, that brings the national water meter fitting bill to well over €1bn.
In 2010, Siemens Ireland boss Werner Kruckow made the offer publicly and sought discussions with then Finance Minister Brian Lenihan to follow up. Mr Kruckow also proposed that the multinational's own bank finance other energy saving measures in government departments and public buildings.
Mr Hogan's predecessor, John Gormley was enthusiastic about the Siemens offer at the time but it wasn't progressed under Mr Hogan's tenure.
Siemens told the Sunday Independent that no formal offer was made by the department following discussions with officials.
Big utility companies have done such deals in other countries, including Britain, where United Utilities and Southern Water have provided homes with free water meters as part of service contracts with local authorities.
Siemens appears to still be looking for a piece of the action, however, stating: "We are closely following the developments in relation to the formation of Irish Water and will respond to the Government in due course through the normal public sector procurement process."
In other words it's likely to seek tenders in the potentially lucrative Irish water service market. In other countries households pay as much as €200 a month for water where services are metered.
Siemens is eager to expand internationally in this field. Its website says it provides metering services to over 14 million British homes and businesses and has 25,000 public and private sector clients.
A new utility company, Irish Water, to be operated by Bord Gais is to install water meters in homes by the end of 2014, starting this October, according to the Department of the Environment.
The Government estimates that the entire cost of the water services investment programme is €1.8bn. The installation cost is to be borne by households, and spread over 20 years.
Asked why it hadn't pursued the Siemens offer the Department of the Environment didn't supply an explanation, but said it had chosen the Irish Water option after 12 months of discussions with stakeholders as "the optimal organisational form for water services delivery in Ireland".
- Roisin Burke

To be fair I do believe that the government were too busy and tunnel visioned on figuring out how to extract more money from the ordinary people of Ireland to realise they had an offer on the table - of course ...if the Siemens offer is taken then the government dont have a full database of home owners/occupiers.

JohnnieK

It just gets better and better. We have to live in one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

Black Bloc

Water meters it appears will cost a lot in Ireland. I can buy a basic consumer model in Italy for 20 euro and a good model for 70 euro. I assume if a government is buying one million of these devices, the cost would be very small. Doesn't a procurement agency exist?