US orwellian travel restrictions on the cards for those that default tax.

Run_to_da_hills

"Provision that allows feds to suspend passports of accused tax delinquents expected to pass Congress".

Efforts to pass a bill that would allow the IRS to deny travel rights to U.S. citizens who the feds merely claim owe $50,000 or more in delinquent taxes represents a de facto move to revoke the citizenship of Americans without due process and in complete violation of the Constitution"

After WW2 Russia restricted its citizens from travel outside the country, it looks as if the USA is following in its footsteps. It will only be a matter of time before different offenses are added and the restrictions are applied to other forms of documentation such as driving licenses and cashless registered smart cards to restrict travel even further to those citizens that dare step out of line.

America is seriously heading down the slippery slope.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2012/04/05/owe-irs-youre-not-going-anywhere/

namloc1980

Stall on a second...this is still only a proposal at the moment. It has yet to go to the House who usually put a halt to a some of the crazy stuff that comes out of the Senate. Even if it did become law it would never survive a constitutional challenge. Let's see what happens.

I do agree that it is a disturbing proposition though. Even if someone is dodging tax they are entitled to due process before their civil liberties are interfered with. This proposal would strip a passport off an individual without due process or without evidence, based purely on a determination by the IRS.

Run_to_da_hills

Could have had a worse title.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/irs-implements-mark-of-the-beast-control-system.html

Torakx

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Could have had a worse title.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/irs-implements-mark-of-the-beast-control-system.html

Rofl! That Alex Jones...

Im still waiting for our lisbonian versions to start being incorperated over this side of the water.

matrim

Isn't it possible for the guards here to stop suspects from leaving the country?

Run_to_da_hills

matrim wrote: »

Isn't it possible for the guards here to stop suspects from leaving the country?

I am sure they could If there was a court order / warrant out after them.

outtagetme

namloc1980 wrote: »

Stall on a second...this is still only a proposal at the moment. It has yet to go to the House who usually put a halt to a some of the crazy stuff that comes out of the Senate. Even if it did become law it would never survive a constitutional challenge. Let's see what happens.

I do agree that it is a disturbing proposition though. Even if someone is dodging tax they are entitled to due process before their civil liberties are interfered with. This proposal would strip a passport off an individual without due process or without evidence, based purely on a determination by the IRS.

Like unlawful search and seizure (TSA groping and cavity searches for traffic violations, warrantless wiretaps, etc.)?

Like cruel and unusual punishment (Tasering pensioners, toddlers and the mentally ill, death penalty, etc.)?

Like suspension of habaeous corpus?

Like to right to freedom of assembly (kettling, free-speech zones, permits needed for rallies, pepper-spraying peaceful demonstrators, etc.)?

Like stealing elections?
Like assassination without due process?

Sorry mate but I can't see this being challenged just like all the other gross violations.

DoesNotCompute

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Efforts to pass a bill that would allow the IRS to deny travel rights to U.S. citizens who the feds merely claim owe $50,000 or more in delinquent taxes represents a de facto move to revoke the citizenship of Americans without due process and in complete violation of the Constitution"

Stopping people doing a runner when they owe tax? Seems fair enough.

Hoever, revoking someone's citizenship entirely might be a step too far, especially if it would leave that person stateless as a result.

Run_to_da_hills

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Stopping people doing a runner when they owe tax? Seems fair enough.

Hoever, revoking someone's citizenship entirely might be a step too far, especially if it would leave that person stateless as a result.

Its more so the fact that the passport is removed from an individual before a fair trial.

matrim

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I am sure they could If there was a court order / warrant out after them.

AFAIK you don't have to be proven guilty before a court order or warrant is given against you.

I may be mislead by popular TV but plenty of American TV shows say that suspects cannot leave the state after they are a suspect in a crime.

Run_to_da_hills

matrim wrote: »

AFAIK you don't have to be proven guilty before a court order or warrant is given against you.

I may be mislead by popular TV but plenty of American TV shows say that suspects cannot leave the state after they are a suspect in a crime.

I know if they are on bail and pending on the seriousness of the offense. they will take your passport off you in most countries

Run_to_da_hills

Looks like this is heating up and there is another angle to it.

If you don't hold a passport in the US you are automatically put on a "no fly list" which makes you a potential domestic terrorist.

Domestic terrorists are not allowed to own guns.

You know strong US citizens feel about the 2nd amendment.

http://daisyluther.blogspot.ca/

questiontime2

Is it not constitutionally illegal to arbitrarilly revoke a legit natural born/naturalised human citizenship or limit their travel without conviction for a serious indictable offence? Regardless, an Irish or other EU passport is more valuable. Less baggage and you aren't taxed on your world wide income, unlike the USA. What is the point of citizenship if it can be just revoked at will? That isn't citizenship in my book.

questiontime2

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Looks like this is heating up and there is another angle to it.

If you don't hold a passport in the US you are automatically put on a "no fly list" which makes you a potential domestic terrorist.

Domestic terrorists are not allowed to own guns.

You know strong US citizens feel about the 2nd amendment.

http://daisyluther.blogspot.ca/

America has been a big business plutocracy for a long time since the declaration of independence. They don't follow that document anymore. It all went down after the passing of the Patriot Act in 2001. That is when the **** got real for Americans.

Condatis

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

"Provision that allows feds to suspend passports of accused tax delinquents expected to pass Congress".

Efforts to pass a bill that would allow the IRS to deny travel rights to U.S. citizens who the feds merely claim owe $50,000 or more in delinquent taxes represents a de facto move to revoke the citizenship of Americans without due process and in complete violation of the Constitution"

http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2012/04/05/owe-irs-youre-not-going-anywhere/

I think that's a great idea. I would take it a step further here and deny driving licences to tax defaulters. That would sort out many of the whingers who have not paid the Household Charge.

Run_to_da_hills

Condatis wrote: »

I think that's a great idea. I would take it a step further here and deny driving licences to tax defaulters. That would sort out many of the whingers who have not paid the Household Charge.

I would have no problem with this myself but only if it went through the courts