Anders Breivik - "drawn to Catholicism"

FrTony

According to today's Guardian, Anders Breivik is "drawn to Catholicism".

But I wonder is it the Sacrament of Penance he's drawn to?

Either way, if he's not going to hell, he'll be spending a hell of a lot of time in purgatory.

qrrgprgua

He is drawn to his sick parallel universe idea of religion. Why we give this guy any airtime at all is crazy.. Pity he didn't get a bullet in the head like O B Laden.

antiskeptic

FrTony wrote: »

Either way, if he's not going to hell, he'll be spending a hell of a lot of time in purgatory.

Not if enough folk start praying..

Doc Farrell

I was going to make a couple of smartalec comments about the above post but in fact the intensity of his paranoid schizophrenia is quite interesting to view. I noticed that he cried when viewing his own video, that he called his actions 'spectacular' and derived from 'goodness not evil'. To a lesser degree, extemist politicians and religious fundamentalists possess the same sentimental narcissism for themselves but are incapable of ordinary empathy for others.

The best book that I have read on the lack of empathy of psychotics is by Robert Hare called 'Without Conscience'. It is a brilliant, quite unnerving, easily readable title.
Here's my amateur diagnosis. To be able to murder so many young people at close range as they pleaded for their lives leads me to think that this is a man who is consumed by a burning self hatred, an obsessive loathing of who he thinks he really is, as defined by the relationships with his parents and other adults in his childhood. He despises himself and lives as a mythological character, a mix of Odinism, Medieval Knight, armed Aryan. He is very similar in that regard to Adolf Hitler, burning with a self hatred that he projects onto the Other, in this case Muslims, Liberals, Journalists, and students.

Doc Farrell

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philologos

His manifesto says that he wasn't particularly religious. I.E - He was a cultural Christian not a religious one. He also says that atheists and agnostics should embrace this too. I'll quote it maybe later when I get a bit of time.

I Heart Internet

Doc Farrell wrote: »

..........the intensity of his paranoid schizophrenia is quite interesting to view...........incapable of ordinary empathy for others.

....... a man who is consumed by a burning self hatred, an obsessive loathing of who he thinks he really is, as defined by the relationships with his parents and other adults in his childhood. He despises himself and lives as a mythological character, a mix of Odinism, Medieval Knight, armed Aryan. He is very similar in that regard to Adolf Hitler, burning with a self hatred that he projects onto the Other, in this case Muslims, Liberals, Journalists, and students.

I think paranoid schizophrenia is a mental illness and treatable whereas psychopathy is a personality disorder and the jury is out on whether it can be treated - I think not....is the current view I beleive.

You should read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Psychopath_Test
A very informative book. Anders Breivik is showing all the classic signs of it as we speak:

Lack of empathy
Fake shows of emotion
Inflated ego
Lack of remorse
etc

See the full list here:
http://www.arkancide.com/psychopathy.htm

Basically (I think), so the theory goes - he's not actually mentally ill. He has a personality disorder. What he is, is actually working fine....but what he is is totally different from "normal" personalities. He is, just bad and wrong.....but probably "sane" as we define it. Then again, maybe he has a mix of personality disorders and mental illness...or maybe its a false distinction....I don't think so though.


He is of course, I believe the same as all of us in that he'll be judged by God. Maybe He'll cut him some slack if he's not made like all of us. Why would God do that (make him like that)......that's a whole other question:o

doctoremma

I Heart Internet wrote: »

You should read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Psychopath_Test
A very informative book. Anders Breivik is showing all the classic signs of it as we speak:

Lack of empathy
Fake shows of emotion
Inflated ego
Lack of remorse
etc

Basically (I think), so the theory goes - he's not actually mentally ill. He has a personality disorder. What he is, is actually working fine....but what he is is totally different from "normal" personalities. He is, just bad and wrong.....but probably "sane" as we define it.

I recently read this book and it was first thought about Anders Breivik. He's not insane, he's psychopathic. Whether this means that he should be held criminally responsible is a different matter?

prinz

Doc Farrell wrote: »

He is very similar in that regard to Adolf Hitler, burning with a self hatred that he projects onto the Other, in this case Muslims, Liberals, Journalists, and students.

Cut from very similar cloth with one major difference, Breivik pulled the trigger literally Hitler hid behind his thugs. However his trial is starting to very much echo the trial of Hitler and Ludendorff after the Beer Hall Putsch. Breivik is playing his part perfectly, he's feeding off the media attention and the media is feeding off him for sensationalism. Sad really, the many victims are being forgotten. It's the Breivik show now.

Benny_Cake

prinz wrote: »

Cut from very similar cloth with one major difference, Breivik pulled the trigger literally Hitler hid behind his thugs. However his trial is starting to very much echo the trial of Hitler and Ludendorff after the Beer Hall Putsch. Breivik is playing his part perfectly, he's feeding off the media attention and the media is feeding off him for sensationalism. Sad really, the many victims are being forgotten. It's the Breivik show now.

I think we can also assume that unlike Hitler, he won't walk free after a derisory sentence. It's a media circus alright, just as such things always are, hopefully it will be wrapped up before the first anniversary.

MrStuffins

antiskeptic wrote: »

Not if enough folk start praying..

This is a curious thing to say.

Is it the case that prayer is kinda like a democratic vote of something? Or The X Factor? The more people vote (pray) the more likely he is to be in a particular dimension?

prinz

MrStuffins wrote: »

This is a curious thing to say.
Is it the case that prayer is kinda like a democratic vote of something? Or The X Factor? The more people vote (pray) the more likely he is to be in a particular dimension?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Rest_(Prayer)

As such no it's not a democratic vote. It's a prayer asking God to have mercy on those who have departed before us wherever/whatever particular dimension they may be in. It in no way represents a means by which you collect 10,000 prayers and bingo, you get on the fast track to anywhere. It's a prayer of hope like any other, it makes no mention of purgatory or anywhere else.

F12

FrTony wrote: »

According to today's Guardian, Anders Breivik is "drawn to Catholicism".

But I wonder is it the Sacrament of Penance he's drawn to?

Either way, if he's not going to hell, he'll be spending a hell of a lot of time in purgatory.

He is a Protestant, and they don't believe in Purgatory, so for them it doesn't exist. He's not Catholic, as he said, "Pope Benedict has abandoned Christianity and all Christian Europeans and is to be considered a cowardly, incompetent, corrupt and illegitimate Pope."

Brevic obviously does consider himself to be a true Christian, even a 'crusader' or 'one who takes up the cross', and like the good old bloodthirsty Crusaders some 800 or so ago, he doesn't like Muslims.

paulaa

He has claimed to be so many things, from Christian Atheist to Catholic and Protestant, I think he is one very mixed up man.

Fanny Cradock

Who cares what this man has to say. The courts have it right. Give him his trial but don't let him have the satisfaction of attempting to justify his madness to the world lest some don't see him as mad.