Carlow promoted to 1B

desaparecidos

After Carlow were relegated due to the league format change last year (a change which happened when the league was finished, meaning teams weren't to know the consequence of their finishing league position) they have been promoted to 1B after beating Westmeath 1-14 to 12.

Luckily Wexford beat Laois in the 1B relegation play-off, because if they hadn't they would be up in arms (again) claiming they shouldn't be relegated (despite finishing in the bottom two year in year out) and we might have had a format change on our hands again.

Anyway, a position well earned for Carlow to be honest. They deserve the chance to play higher quality teams on a regular basis.

Can see them competing OK next year, mid-table finish

ebbsy

Well done to our neighbours, there will be a few pints on the Wicklow / Carlow border tonight.......

Credit to Carlow. Small county in population but promoting both codes and producing some great hurlers and footballers. The step up wont be easy but it will be a great experience for them to play teams of the standard of Galway/Dublin, Wexford, Limerick, Offaly, and Antrim.

Palytoxin

Fair play to Carlow, played some of their underage teams a few years ago and they were making great progress year in year out, the development is starting to pay off now. Just hope we, Laois, don't start slipping down, a lot of the lads don't seem to be happy with the current set-up and they could easily lose interest and throw the towel in, and that would be a disaster after the progress they have made in the last while.

Stevecw

Was probably Carlows worst display of the league so far, and surely Wesmeaths too. Was 1 pt all after 17 mins...summed up the 1st half. 2 absolute nervous wrecks of teams were in nowlan park.
6-4 for Cw at ht, poor game and any neutral from the wex/laois game were well gone by now!

Carlow went 12-7 up, great burst and some quality scores...then wmth had a guy sent off for chopping across a player, his 2nd yellow and yeah was dead right. But then wmth tookoff scored 3 pts in a row. we got 1 to go 13-10 up, then they had a great effort at goal well saved. From the 65 it was stuck over, then a min later a carlow man was on the ground, and 6 for wmth Gilligan got a staright red. Very few saw it as carlow hit one of many wides as that was happening.
Finally killed it off with a well taken goal & ended 1-14 to 12.

Job done, now need to lift it for laois game

nice_guy80

Don't tell me they have to play Laois to get promoted???

jordainius

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Don't tell me they have to play Laois to get promoted???

That does seem like exactly the kind of ridiculous system the GAA would impose alright but thankfully that's not the case! Carlow play Laois in the first round of the Leinster championship next month, the winners get a crack at Dublin.

lala88

Dunne calls for change to NHL format

16 April 2012


Wexford hurling manager Liam Dunne
Liam Dunne called on the GAA authorities to revert back to the old Allianz Hurling League format after his Wexford side beat Laois to preserve their Division 1B status yesterday.

"I felt we shouldn't have been here in the first place," the 1996 All-Ireland winner said in the Irish Independent.

"You finish with four points after winning two games and you're playing against a team that won no games, and still you could go down if things didn't go your way. Hopefully, they'll go back to the old format and they'll have quarter-finals in the league. Hurling counties need more hurling.

"If they just changed it back and let two teams go out of Division 1B to the quarter-finals, I think they'd have the league back to the way it was years ago.

"Stop changing the hurling rules when you have to change the football. Leave the hurling alone and give us more games. Let the football take care of itself."

Some very stupid comments there.

He says he feels Wexford shouldnt have been there in the first place, i wonder whould he be as worried if Antrim had won 2 games and had to play Laois?

He then says hurling counties need more hurling when in fact its hurling that needs more counties like Carlow making a brake trough.

He then says to leave hurling alone, well Mr Dunne maybe you should sort out your own mess and leave the counties who are trying to improve alone.

Im sure the GAA will try and find some way of stoping Carlow from going up like they have so many times before to other countys

InchicoreDude

Some very stupid comments there.

And you proceed to make some more

He says he feels Wexford shouldnt have been there in the first place, i wonder whould he be as worried if Antrim had won 2 games and had to play Laois?

Well, of course he wouldnt. He is not from Antrim. Everybody is always more concerned with their own county; this is a fundamental premise of the GAA

He then says hurling counties need more hurling when in fact its hurling that needs more counties like Carlow making a brake trough

It is both. There are not enough games in the current hurling league format. There should be more.

Getting the likes of Carlow up to a top standard is a long term ambition. Changing the league structure to ensure more games is a far more short term & simple task.

He then says to leave hurling alone, well Mr Dunne maybe you should sort out your own mess and leave the counties who are trying to improve alone.

There is an element of truth what he is saying; far too often, football & hurling are lumped together and treated the same when they are very different sports. However, not sure what his point is here as the hurling league was changed differently to the football. Actually, the football way is probably more suited to hurling [the way it was last year]...

Im sure the GAA will try and find some way of stoping Carlow from going up like they have so many times before to other countys

Like when??? I can only think of Limerick last year really.... there was smething with Westmeath a few years back when they won christy ring, but they were allowed compete in Leinsetr in the end. Cant think of any other instances?

bruschi

inchicore dude has said it all really. And I'm not sure why Wexford should have been mentioned in this thread at all, even in the OP. Carlow got a great promotion, not sure why the dig at Wexford was necessary.

Not that I agree with all of Dunnes comments either, had they been relegated it would be their own fault. but the set up from 5 years ago or so was fine, and it kept being changed. I'm not sure why it was.

I also dont know why lala said the GAA will find a way to stop Carlow going up. Why would they do that, and for what reason? I really dont know why anyone would make such a statement.

Another example of a team being shafted was Wexford themselves, they earned their division 1 status last year by staying up, only to be relegated in the boardroom. Whether or not they should be there is another matter, as I personally didnt think a year in the 2nd division would do them any harm with a completley new squad and management.

Congrats to Carlow on their deserved promotion, but no need for Wexford to be brought into this thread at all.

lala88

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Like when??? I can only think of Limerick last year really.... there was smething with Westmeath a few years back when they won christy ring, but they were allowed compete in Leinsetr in the end. Cant think of any other instances?

When Carlow first won the Christy Ring Cup they werent get move up had to win it again the next year before they did.

When the old league was in place it often happened with the Div 2 winners.

Kerry won it in 2001 didnt get to go up
Laois in 2002 same thing happened
In 2003 Antrim won it and from what i recall they went up to Div 1
2004 Down win and again from what i recall didnt go up
Offaly win in 2005 they go up
Dublin win 2006 and go up
The next 2 years Laois (again) and Weatmeath win and dont go up
The next 2 years again Offaly and Wexford win it they go up
Lat year Limerick win it they didnt go up

Other then Limerick whats the difference between the teams that won Div 2 that went up and the ones who didnt?

Stevecw

Stevecw wrote: »

Was probably Carlows worst display of the league so far, and surely Wesmeaths too. Was 1 pt all after 17 mins...summed up the 1st half. 2 absolute nervous wrecks of teams were in nowlan park.
6-4 for Cw at ht, poor game and any neutral from the wex/laois game were well gone by now!

Carlow went 12-7 up, great burst and some quality scores...then wmth had a guy sent off for chopping across a player, his 2nd yellow and yeah was dead right. But then wmth tookoff scored 3 pts in a row. we got 1 to go 13-10 up, then they had a great effort at goal well saved. From the 65 it was stuck over, then a min later a carlow man was on the ground, and 6 for wmth Gilligan got a staright red. Very few saw it as carlow hit one of many wides as that was happening.
Finally killed it off with a well taken goal & ended 1-14 to 12.

Job done, now need to lift it for laois game

Haha i Don't even remember posting this! A drunken mess of what happened y'day.

Was out last night celebrating with the small lil cup u get for winning 2a, and the team. Got in around 1 and was in bits today in work!

Great win tho, massive boost for Carlow hurling to be in 1B. Gonna be a struggle to stay up, but we'll learn so much more from playing likes of Offaly, Limerick & Galway/Dub than we do hammering Down, Derry etc.

Have been abt 50/50 with Antrim last few yrs and have beaten Wexford a couple years back and bet them again a few wks ago in a challenge. So wins v those 2 wud be the aim. Gal/Dub, Offaly & Limerick prob will be a bit ahead of us...but be great to play teams like that and get us up to championship pace.

The Laois game i referred to is the Leinster champ 1st round game in Carlow, should beat them. Winners play Dublin so won't win that, but hopefully put up a decent display and not get hammered.
Qualifiers come along then, and a game v Westmeath, Antrim, Laois or Wexford wud give us hope of another win.

dastardly00

Congrats to Carlow, they are really making some big strides over the last few years. They are definitely of the same standard as Laois and Antrim, if not better. And I can see them consistently competing with Wexford and Offaly in the not too distant future.

Personally i think the current league format is excellent in comparison to the format Dunne wishes to go back to. When you see a relegation final between Galway and Dublin for example in 1a and Wexford themselves in a relegation final in 1B it just goes to show how competitive the league has become. Wexford, with the greatest of respect, cant blame the GAA for the fact they had to contest a relegation final. If they are good enough they will come again.

i think it was harsh however that they were relegated in the board room. the current league system was rushed instead of being gradually phased in. For example perhaps relegate 2 teams from the 8 this year and 1b champions come up and same in 2013. that way wexford would have got the chance to earn their corn in 1a and Limerick likewise.

InchicoreDude

When you see a relegation final between Galway and Dublin

'Final' definitely isnt an appropriate term there!

legendary.xix

Congrats to Carlow. It was wrong they did not take on the teams 9th-12th this year giving them more of an idea as to how they are progressing. Divisions of 8 will have to return after this two year disaster plan has run its course.

purplepanda

Deleted User wrote: »

i think it was harsh however that they were relegated in the board room. the current league system was rushed instead of being gradually phased in. For example perhaps relegate 2 teams from the 8 this year and 1b champions come up and same in 2013. that way wexford would have got the chance to earn their corn in 1a and Limerick likewise.

Remember the commotion during the 2008 season when Wexford were also relegated by a GAA board meeting after the Cork players strike?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/wexford-chairman-accuses-gaa-of-making-up-rules-as-they-go-along-1327336.html

Also I don't see the point in only having one team go up from Division 1B (should be called Division 2 IMO!) when a county can finish top of their division yet lose the playoff final?


The GAA have been messing about with the Hurling league structure every few years for decades! What a farce!!


BTW Congratulations to Carlow

Stevecw

League for Carlow is set, 1b will be tough but need to play at that level.
Championship we play Laois 1st, winners play Dublin

Preview of carlow/laois game here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NXljpiuoHk&feature=player_embedded

Kerrydude1981

Carlow hurling is on the up and up it seems,their minors are always competitive in Leinster,would I be right in saying it is now a hurling county and football comes second? Wasnt so long ago our lads could beat Carlow but now they well ahead of us.

Alaska1

Great to see Counties like Carlow making such progress, alot of time invested in hurling and it's reaping it's rewards currenty and best of luck to them.

Should be a humdinger of Minor game in the hurling between Carlow and Dublin tomorrow, could go either way.