Using existing duct in house estate

jackwogan

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me in a private housing estate that has eircom ducts and cable ducts can a new provider come in and use the existing ducts? We want to run fiber cables back to a central point in the housing estate.

NewHillel

jackwogan wrote: »

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me in a private housing estate that has eircom ducts and cable ducts can a new provider come in and use the existing ducts? We want to run fiber cables back to a central point in the housing estate.

Eircom Wholesale have no published products, see eircomwholesale.ie, for infrastructure unbundling. You could always contact them and see what they say, but I wouldn't hold out much hope.

Charlie-Bravo

You might want to check what agreements were made between developer and utility company at time of build. If you have a private estate there will be a management company who should own the estate but the rights to the ductwork might have be leased/sold off to the utility company. Delve deeply into the leases and wayleave agreements to see what's been provided to who. Sure you might find a loophole in there somewhere which allows you to use it for other provisions not connected with the current provider!

Freddie59

jackwogan wrote: »

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me in a private housing estate that has eircom ducts and cable ducts can a new provider come in and use the existing ducts? We want to run fiber cables back to a central point in the housing estate.

I would doubt it very much. I would be pretty certain Eircom would retain ownership of the infrastructure that they paid to have installed.

fasttalkerchat

What would happen if the OP asked the respective companies if they owned the ducts on his property. If for example Eircom says they own them could he ask that they remove them at their cost or allow him to keep them for his own use?

Sponge Bob

Thee management company owns the ducts. If nobody comes into the duct (bar eircom) for around 10 years and if eircom do not pay for access to the ducts the eircom wayleve becomes permanent and exclusive somewhere between years 10 and 15.

So if the estate is less than 10 year old and you pull your fibre through there should be no problem unless eircom bought the ducts or pay rental on them...ie they belong to the estate not eircom.

gashead

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Thee management company owns the ducts.

No they don't.

Eircom/UPC own the ducts. They supplied the materials and paid the developer to install them. Underground infrastructure is very expensive and pulling your own cables through them is probably trespass. Management companies like to through their weight around about this but they are on sticky ground. (pardon the pun).

Solair

This is the kind of thing that the previous Government should have sorted out before and during the building boom.

Hundreds of thousands of houses could have had neutral ducts owned by the county council / city council that could have been used for PSTN, Cable TV/Broadband, Fibre etc..

However, they couldn't have organised a ---- up in a brewery!

BostonB

Solair wrote: »

This is the kind of thing that the previous Government should have sorted out before and during the building boom....


However, they couldn't have organised a ---- up in a brewery!

Nail on head.