Planning Permission

dundalk63

We are a small clay club looking for planning permission and someone put in a objection over noise, has any club had problems over noise. This guy is half a mile from grounds and the houses that are closer have no problem. Any way around this.

Ziggieire

i dont know will just noise alone give him any ground to stand on

yog1

is the club already in operation, what is it you are looking planning for?

bazza888

its also a real easy way for anti shooting person to make an objection against you,but surely they would need to do a noise test or something?

BELOWaverageIQ

There are clear EPA guideline laid out that you must comply with. I would advise you to employ a specialist to carry out perimeter noise tests if it is an existing club / property.
If not then I am sure that there are other clubs in existence that have had to carry out noise emission tests and I am sure they would share their test results with their consultants approval. ( there may be a fee for this info but it would be cheaper than starting a new noise study from scratch.)
If you employ a professional to demonstrate that the noise emmissions are within guidelines then it will knock the objection on the head.
Speak to your Architect.

tac foley

BELOWaverageIQ wrote: »

There are clear EPA guideline laid out that you must comply with. I would advise you to employ a specialist to carry out perimeter noise tests if it is an existing club / property.
If not then I am sure that there are other clubs in existence that have had to carry out noise emission tests and I am sure they would share their test results with their consultants approval. ( there may be a fee for this info but it would be cheaper than starting a new noise study from scratch.)
If you employ a professional to demonstrate that the noise emmissions are within guidelines then it will knock the objection on the head.
Speak to your Architect.

+1

tac

kemen

have a quite chat with them! our club ground cant start shootin till 10 in the morn. agreement with the neighbours!

No6

dundalk63 wrote: »

We are a small clay club looking for planning permission and someone put in a objection over noise, has any club had problems over noise. This guy is half a mile from grounds and the houses that are closer have no problem. Any way around this.

Has the planner looked for any additional information in relation to noise, it is quite common for people to put in observations opposing planning applications for various things and they are often disregarded by the planners as having no particular planning merit in that particular application.

In a lot of cases anything over 500m will not be considered, you may have to do a sound level assessment and any houses within a noise level specified by the council may have to agree in writing for the development to proceed.

dundalk63

The planners are giving us our faith next week. They have'nt asked for any further information yet we're just looking to see if any other clubs had this problem. The complainer is 600 mts from the grounds and there is others that are closer but they have no problem with us. He emailed us but wont contact us since we replied wanting to speak to him about his concerns but alas no reply. Two gunclubs extensively shoot the area and did use our ground but we dont allow anyone to shoot game on it now. So gunfire is not unusual in the area.

meathstevie

A potential solution is creating high banks with hedges or trees on top to act as noise absorbing features. Big downside is that for a small club this can be very pricey to get sorted (unless some member has a digger and is willing to take a cut for the sake of the club). The commercial variants of willow that are becoming fairly common all over the place would be very suitable for that purpose.

No6

Has he actually made an observation on the planning application? If he hasn't and it has been submitted for over 5 weeks he can get lost. If he has made an observation talk to the planners first to see what if anything they will look for.

dCorbus

+1 on the advice given above (particular the pointers given by BELOWaverageIQ)

dundalk63 wrote: »

The planners are giving us our faith next week. They have'nt asked for any further information yet .

If the Planners are due to issue their notification of decision next week, then the 5-Week observation submission period has expired. So, if you check the Planning File and there's an observation/objection lodged by this third party already on the file, then you know they've objected.

If, now that the Observation Period has expired, you find no observation / objection on the File from this individual - then they haven't objected and cannot (except in very particular circumstances) object in future to this application.

However, even if they did not lodge an observation/objection to this application, the Planners may very well want to consider the proposed noise-levels as pertinent to their consideration of your proposals - and may request, by way of a FI Request, that you submit this information anyway.

dundalk63 wrote: »

The complainer is 600 mts from the grounds and there is others that are closer but they have no problem with us

The distance an objector lives away from the proposed development is not terribly relevant from a planning point-of-view TBH. Unfortunately, proximity to the proposed development is not a prerequisite for considering the validity or otherwise of the observation/objection - Would that it were!

As my esteemed colleague, Mr. BELOWaverageIQ points out above, my best advice to you on this would also be that you should speak to your architect and get their professional advice on the matter.

No6 wrote: »

....talk to the planners first to see what if anything they will look for.

Oh, if only the public defenders of our glorious planning and development system and upholders of proper amenity 'twere so amenable and accessible! Even if one could get in talk to them a week before decision due-date, I wouldn't frankly believe a word they say (all discussions are, as they say, without prejudice and non-binding on the planning authority). Me: I'd check the file, see whats what, decide on an approach if necessary, and await either a decision or FI request. That said, the best time for discussion of these matters with the Planners is pre-planning, not post.

Hope that's some help.

Seek professional advice!

No6

The accessibility of planners varies from county to county, some are good some are bad. I can meet area planners in mayo any wednsday I want a talk to them about any live file. On the week an application is due is when they actually look at the file for the first time in most cases!!

The distance an objecter lives from a development is a consideration when his objection relates to sound levels. eg in windfarm developments any objection relating to sound is discounted if they are 500m away as that is considered a sufficient buffer zone for sound from windfarms!! I don't think there are any official guidelines for noise levels from shooting ranges, I certanly havnt come across any.

My advice to the op is wait and see whats in the FI if there is any and deal with that when it arises. Dont go spending money on sound level survey's unless you are asked for them!!

Chiparus

Perhaps talk to someone who has been through the process , like pat at Hilltop, or courtlough? I believe each had difficulties to overcome.:rolleyes:

dundalk63

Sorry I did nt respond but I was away for a few days. Thanks for all the suggestions I 'm glad I put this up as we have got some great ideas from it and we're going to run with them. Thanks to all once again