born again christian

Cork24

Can some one tell me what is the deal with born again Christians calling to my house all the time to give me the word of god, if i want to listen to what the bible states i would go to mass,

They keep telling me that if i dont follow god i wont go to heaven this makes me mad,

So one day i asked them after them saying that to me, "Your telling me so gandhi is in Hell.? and if he is where all going to Hell!"

So they couldn't Answer that Question and went away didnt see them for about 1 month, now they called again giving me the same bull..

I Asked a Question..

How can a person who was born into Christianity who their mother paid to have baptism done.. now become a born again Christian ?..

This took him a while to answer its in the Bible he tells me,, I then stated that yes its in the Bible, about the Jews & non Followers of Jesus becoming Born Again into his Faith... it doesn't State Christians becoming Born Again he couldn't answer it and was shocked to my question,

he looked at me and said i'll have to come back..

For me its starting to p*ss me off people telling me i'm going to Hell for what i do and dont have faith in..

After all the Bible was Writing by Man.. So was every other Bible of Every other Faith in the World.

Benny_Cake

Cork24 wrote: »

Can some one tell me what is the deal with born again Christians calling to my house all the time to give me the word of god, if i want to listen to what the bible states i would go to mass,

They keep telling me that if i dont follow god i wont go to heaven this makes me mad,

So one day i asked them after them saying that to me, "Your telling me so gandhi is in Hell.? and if he is where all going to Hell!"

So they couldn't Answer that Question and went away didnt see them for about 1 month, now they called again giving me the same bull..

I Asked a Question..

How can a person who was born into Christianity who their mother paid to have baptism done.. now become a born again Christian ?..

This took him a while to answer its in the Bible he tells me,, I then stated that yes its in the Bible, about the Jews & non Followers of Jesus becoming Born Again into his Faith... it doesn't State Christians becoming Born Again he couldn't answer it and was shocked to my question,

he looked at me and said i'll have to come back..

For me its starting to p*ss me off people telling me i'm going to Hell for what i do and dont have faith in..

After all the Bible was Writing by Man.. So was every other Bible of Every other Faith in the World.

Can't say I've ever had born again Christians call to my door, are you sure they weren't Jehovahs Witnesses?

Not sure why you're getting so worked up about to be honest. If you don't believe, you don't believe, why does it bother you so much if others do? And other faiths don't generally call their scriptures "the Bible" by the way.

prinz

*Open door* Thanks, but no thanks */Close door*

Cork24

i ask what Group their From..

It does not bother me what others do, with their life's.

But dont come to my house where i Welcome them to my door, they ask me am i a follower of God, i tell them No, that i have faith within some other Religion,

and for them to take it upon them selfs to Lecture me that i'm going to hell..
That i need to follow Jesus our else i'm going to suffer when i die.

That is what works me up..

Manach

I always find waving a rosary bead and offering to pray with them usually chases them off Pity it does not work on tax officials.

gimmebroadband

If they're Mormons you'll never get rid of them!

qrrgprgua

prinz wrote: »

*Open door* Thanks, but no thanks */Close door*

Oh no....invite them in,., off them tea .... THEN take out your original Greek and Latin Vulgata bible and compare it to THEIR one... lots and lots of discussion until they say they have to move on..

Medicine333

Cork24 wrote: »

i ask what Group their From..

It does not bother me what others do, with their life's.

But dont come to my house where i Welcome them to my door, they ask me am i a follower of God, i tell them No, that i have faith within some other Religion,

and for them to take it upon them selfs to Lecture me that i'm going to hell..
That i need to follow Jesus our else i'm going to suffer when i die.

That is what works me up..

I know it can be frustrating, but I really think your anger is showing in your exaggeration here.

We've had Jehovah Witnesses call before, and although it can be irritating to have someone from another religion preach to you, they are human so it's important to treat them likewise.

Just say, 'sorry, I have no interest.'

It doesn't cost a penny to be nice, and trust me, you'll feel a lot better than getting angry and worked up talking to them:)

philologos

OP: I had a guy similar to that come out going door to door on my street. I popped outside and talked to him a bit about what he believed. He said that he wanted to share the Gospel with people so that they might know Jesus Christ and be saved. Largely in agreement with what I believed in, and ultimately extremely sincere in motive, I thanked him and let him carry on in the knowledge that he was indeed doing the right thing, by helping people come from spiritual death to eternal life in Jesus' name.

What if what they was saying was true? - If it is then it is the most caring thing that they could have done.

By the by just because one is born into Christianity doesn't mean that one is a Christian. Born again, simply put is explained by Jesus in John chapter 3. Being born again means coming to new life through Jesus' death for our sin, and His resurrection. Jesus paid for our sins on the cross so that we can have new life, forgiveness and a new relationship with God. If we reject this, we reject Him and will be condemned for eternity.

I agree 100% with that much, even if it is offensive.

Cork24

philologos wrote: »

By the by just because one is born into Christianity doesn't mean that one is a Christian. Born again, simply put is explained by Jesus in John chapter 3. Being born again means coming to new life through Jesus' death for our sin, and His resurrection. Jesus paid for our sins on the cross so that we can have new life, forgiveness and a new relationship with God. If we reject this, we reject Him and will be condemned for eternity.

As i stated how can a Christian who is giving the words of God and Jesus, have taken Eucharist, turn around and say i want to live the life of Jesus so i become Born Again ?

The whole Thing about Born Again is for People in that time that where Jews that wanted to follow Jesus they would have to become Born Again in his Way of Life.. Its not for Christians to take it on them selfs to turn around one day and say Im going to become Born Again it makes no sense, its just a marketing way of a Church to make money

philologos

Cork24 wrote: »

As i stated how can a Christian who is giving the words of God and Jesus, have taken Eucharist, turn around and say i want to live the life of Jesus so i become Born Again ?

One can take as much communion as they want, but if they don't know Jesus, and if they don't live and speak for Him in daily life, it is questionable as to whether or not they are really following Jesus.

Read this passage. Jesus speaks to a rabbi called Nicodemus about the concept of being born again.

Cork24 wrote: »

The whole Thing about Born Again is for People in that time that where Jews that wanted to follow Jesus they would have to become Born Again in his Way of Life.. Its not for Christians to take it on them selfs to turn around one day and say Im going to become Born Again it makes no sense, its just a marketing way of a Church to make money

Yes, Jesus said that one needs to be born again, and it is a way for the church to make money?

How about this. I care very much that people come to know Jesus, and through His death, put their own sin to death, and through knowing about His resurrection coming to new life in Him.

Simply put all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory (Romans 3:23). As a result we are guilty and deserve God's punishment at the end of time. However, God in His love sent Jesus into the world to die for us on our behalf. As a result, our old sinful life is dead, our new life in Christ is here.

You say that you don't need to be born again, but if you are a Christian you should be born again already. I.E - through Jesus dying to sin and coming to new life in Him. It is impossible for one to be a Christian without being born again.

1 Peter 1:3 wrote:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to His great mercy, He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

2 Corinthians 5:17 wrote:

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, He is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Understanding this truth will change your life. No doubt about it.

Feel free to PM me if you want to find out more.

gkell3

Cork24 wrote: »

As i stated how can a Christian who is giving the words of God and Jesus, have taken Eucharist, turn around and say i want to live the life of Jesus so i become Born Again ?

The whole Thing about Born Again is for People in that time that where Jews that wanted to follow Jesus they would have to become Born Again in his Way of Life.. Its not for Christians to take it on them selfs to turn around one day and say Im going to become Born Again it makes no sense, its just a marketing way of a Church to make money

Try this -

"Commonly, however, if we may judge from those first-hand accounts which we possess, mystic conversion is a single and abrupt experience, sharply marked off from the long, dim struggles which precede and succeed it. It usually involves a sudden and acute realization of a splendour and adorable reality in the world—or sometimes of its obverse, the divine sorrow at the heart of things—never before perceived. In so far as I am acquainted with the resources of language, there are no words in which this realization can be described. It is of so actual a nature that in comparison the normal world of past perception seems but twilit at the best. Consciousness has suddenly changed its rhythm and a new aspect of the universe rushes in. The teasing mists are swept away, and reveal, if only for an instant, the sharp outline of the Everlasting Hills. “He who knows this will know what I say, and will be convinced that the soul has then another life.”
In most cases, the onset of this new consciousness seems to the self so sudden, so clearly imposed from without rather than developed from within, as to have a supernatural character. The typical case is, of course, that of St. Paul: the sudden light, the voice, the ecstasy, the complete alteration of life. We shall see, however, when we come to study the evidence of those mystics who have left a detailed record of their preconverted state, that the apparently abrupt conversion is really, as a rule, the sequel and the result of a long period of restlessness, uncertainty, and mental stress. The deeper mind stirs uneasily in its prison, and its emergence is but the last of many efforts to escape. The temperament of the subject, his surroundings, the vague but persistent apprehensions of a supersensual reality which he could not find yet could not forget; all these have prepared him for it." Evelyn Underhill

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/underhill/mysticism.iv.ii.html

Onesimus

Cork24 wrote: »

Can some one tell me what is the deal with born again Christians calling to my house all the time to give me the word of god, if i want to listen to what the bible states i would go to mass,

They keep telling me that if i dont follow god i wont go to heaven this makes me mad,

So one day i asked them after them saying that to me, "Your telling me so gandhi is in Hell.? and if he is where all going to Hell!"

So they couldn't Answer that Question and went away didnt see them for about 1 month, now they called again giving me the same bull..

I Asked a Question..

How can a person who was born into Christianity who their mother paid to have baptism done.. now become a born again Christian ?..

This took him a while to answer its in the Bible he tells me,, I then stated that yes its in the Bible, about the Jews & non Followers of Jesus becoming Born Again into his Faith... it doesn't State Christians becoming Born Again he couldn't answer it and was shocked to my question,

he looked at me and said i'll have to come back..

For me its starting to p*ss me off people telling me i'm going to Hell for what i do and dont have faith in..

After all the Bible was Writing by Man.. So was every other Bible of Every other Faith in the World.

What if the red cross called to your door looking for money? or a salesman? or just about anybody selling any product? would you be as equally irritated?

If not then I think you could have the problem of just Christian hating in general.

Just close the door like any other mature adult would do and say your not interested. Your the blame for feeding them and entertaining them at the door. And then coming on here to get a kick out of whining and moaning about it all, getting on your soapbox and behaving like a big baby.

''oh yeah look at me I'm the man, they said this and I replied with that, oh yeah I'm amazing in a debate.'':rolleyes:

Benny_Cake

Onesimus wrote: »

What if the red cross called to your door looking for money? or a salesman? or just about anybody selling any product? would you be as equally irritated?

I'd probably be a little more irritated, I haven't had any Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, or anyone else calling to my door in as long as I can remember, but Eircom, Sky and various charities seem to have the uncanny ability to know when I'm about to tuck into my dinner and call to my house at that exact moment!

I agree with the point though. I have to say, I've never heard of people of an evangelical or born-again persuasion going door to door though. Would be interesting to know who they are.

Cork24

Onesimus wrote: »

What if the red cross called to your door looking for money? or a salesman? or just about anybody selling any product? would you be as equally irritated?

If not then I think you could have the problem of just Christian hating in general.

Just close the door like any other mature adult would do and say your not interested. Your the blame for feeding them and entertaining them at the door. And then coming on here to get a kick out of whining and moaning about it all, getting on your soapbox and behaving like a big baby.

''oh yeah look at me I'm the man, they said this and I replied with that, oh yeah I'm amazing in a debate.'':rolleyes:

Dont have a Problem with Christain people calling to my door just dont tell me im going to hell if i dont have faith in it!

I have no problem with people Sales people calling to my door i tell them im not Interested in what their Selling, they would say thats fine and leave..

But its when people hang around and talk and talk and talk about S**t that i couldnt give 2 sh*ts about is another Story.. I had a guy call to my house for Enable Ireland i told him i would give them money only if the CEO would have his take home pay cut by half.. Dont see why i should pay for him to keep hes 150k Salary when you telling me you dont have the money to paint the Center for the poor kids!

ThinkingTom

Sorry to hear that this has irritated you, and I can't speak for those who called to your door.

1s If they call again and you’re not interested just say so, and just like any good sales rep they may not take on your first objection nor even second, as in any sales presentation. So just politely insist that you’re not interested in the presentation of their gospel (good news) and they will leave you. But if your converse with them they will think you’re interested or at least vaguely interested.

2nd If they are genuine about their faith they see it as an act of love to tell you about your eternal destiny and to warn you, they aren't out in the cold for fun or deliberately annoy people.

3rd Did they ask you for money? I am surprised if they did? Was it for a charity?

4th Saying they didn't know the answer to your question is something I would welcome than one pretending to know and just arrogant.

5th As to born again - that is something all Christians (Roman Catholic or non Roman-Catholic) is to experience, no exception. Anyone not to have experienced this is still heading for eternity without the presence or relationship with God - ie hell, (separation from God and all that is good.). The difference between different groups within the Christian faith is not the necessity of being born again but only the when and means of it. Its necessity is held by all Christian churches.

This necessity to be born again is due to the death penalty on all mankind for all have sinned and fallen short of God’s standard for their lives. All are under the death or separation penalty. Something not perfect or even slightly flawed doesn’t pass the quality control test so to speak and is therefore fit for the rubbish heap (perish). As such are still under death penalty and cannot enter the perfect kingdom of heaven (heaven would cease to be perfect with someone imperfect there). Hence putting your faith in Jesus Christ and his substituent death, crucifixion in your place, brings you to a death experience. Faith in his resurrection brings you through him, in him and with him, into newness of life (Born again) by which in his name you call out to God, Abba -father. You are now not under the line of Adam, but under line of Christ and are a new creation. This is necessary for all Christians to experience to truly call themselves Christian.

The means - some would say is simple personal faith in the heart of Jesus death and an expression of faith from the mouth of his resurrection (creed or credo, 'I believe’). Others would say you need to also express such faith in your personal death union and born again state though water baptism which symbolise you death into the water and your resurrection out of it in Jesus name.

When – some would say only as an adult can one truly express personal faith in Jesus death and resurrection. Other such as the Roman Catholic Church would say that one’s parents and sponsors can express faith for you by proxy - hence babies being baptised and being 'born again'. (see the RC baptismal rite).

So you see all Christians have to be born again in, with and though Jesus Christ's death and resurrection. If one isn't born again then they haven't take on Christ as their saviour and are effectively not Christian and haven’t be christened. You see you can't be judged twice for the same crime and as such if you unite to Christ Jesus you died already, the death sentence has been paid in full and you are born again, free to enter the kingdom of God and live in reconciled relationship with God the father.

Those people at the door are of the mindset that you have to be born again (which is Christian) and do so as an adult with a clear act of your will and personal faith and not via proxy by your parents. In their mind set you have as yet not been born again if you are relaying only on baptismal proxy, and that they are trying to help you see the danger of eternity without God and the opportunity of expressing adult faith in Jesus Christ so that you would be born again. So you have to come to a decision,

1st do I want this offer of salvation,
2nd do I believe that Jesus death and resurrection provide it,
3rd have I been as a baby or do I yet need to express my personal faith to take hold of this death and rebirth experience,
4th to check if 3rd has already happened, do I feel clean before God and am I now beginning to experience heaven on earth by having a personal relationship with my heavenly father calling on him as ABBA.

Hope this explains what you should may be do if not interested and what you should consider if you are when they call to the door. Again I don’t personally know who called to the door or if they were mature or just got little bits and pieces themselves (did they explain like the above?) If you want to know more contact me.

Cork24

ThinkingTom wrote: »

Sorry to hear that this has irritated you, and I can't speak for those who called to your door. If they call again and you’re not interested just say so, and just like any good sales rep they may not take on your first objection nor even second, as in any sales presentation. So just insist that you’re not interested in the presentation of their gospel (good news).
2nd if they are genuine about their faith that see it as an act of love to tell you about your eternal destiny and to warn you, they aren't out in the cold for fun.
3rd did they ask you for money?
4th saying they didn't know the answer to your question is something I would welcome than one pretending to know.
5th As to born again - that is something all Christians (Roman Catholic or non Roman-Catholic) is to experience. Any to not have experienced this is still heading for eternity without the presence or relationship with God - ie hell, (separation from God and all that is good.) The difference between different groups within the Christian faith is not the necessity of being born again but the when and means of it.
Its necessity is due to the death penalty on all mankind and that something not perfect or still under death penalty cannot enter the perfect kingdom of heaven (it would cease to be perfect with someone imperfect there). Hence putting your faith in Jesus Christ and his substituent death in your place bring you to a death experience and in his resurrection you in, with and through him come to newness of life (Born again) by which in his name you call God Abba -father. This is necessary for all Christians to experience.
The means someone say is simple faith in the heart and an expression of faith from the mouth (creed or credo, 'I believe’) others would say you need to also express such faith in your personal death union and born again state though baptism.
When - someone say only as an adult can one truly express personal faith in Jesus death and resurrection. Other such as the Roman Catholic Church would say that one’s parents and sponsors can express faith for you by proxy - hence babies being baptised and being 'born again'. (see the RC baptismal rite).
So you see all Christians have to be born again in, with and though Jesus Christ's death and resurrection. If one isn't born again then they haven't take on Christ as their saviour and are effectively not Christian. You see you can't be judged twice for the same crime and as such if you unite to Christ Jesus you died already and are born again and free to enter the kingdom of God and reconciled relationship with God the father.
Those people at the door are of the mindset that you have to be born again (which is Christian) and do so as an adult with a clear act of your will and personal faith and not via proxy by your parents. In their mind set you have as yet not been born again if you are relaying on proxy, and that they are trying to help you see the danger of eternity without God and the opportunity of expressing adult faith in Jesus so that you would be born again. So you have to come to a decision, 1st do I want this offer of salvation, 2nd do I believe that Jesus death and resurrection provide it, 3rd have I been as a baby or do I yet need to express my personal faith to take hold of this death and rebirth experience, 4th to check if 3r has already happened, do I feel clean before God and am I now beginning to experience heaven on earth by having a personal relationship with my heavenly father calling on him as ABBA.
Hope this explains what you should may be do if not interested and what you should consider if you are when they call to the door. Again I don’t personally know who called to the door or if they were mature or just got little bits and pieces (did they explain the above?) If you want to know more contact me.

how am i meant to read this ? couldnt you space it out a little ?