Need some advice please

colly3

Hi guys

My son (only 10) has an SLV 36. He's not happy with it as (according to him) it jams a lot and there's various other reasons he gives which I can't remember.... I can't be sure whether or not the issues are down to the gun or his use of it. He is hoping to sell or trade the SLV for something else, I've tried to explain to him that he won't get anywhere near what he paid for it but needless to say he doesn't quite understand why!! He bought it 2 months ago and to begin with, he thought it was the dog's danglers after months of using rentals (I wasn't prepared to commit to buying gear in case it was a one hit wonder!!) But every weekend, there's a long tale of moans and groans!

And after all that here comes the question.... can anyone recommend a sturdy gun that doesn't jam, blow fuses etc? I know there's a broad spectrum to chose from and god knows, he's scoured the MIA site endlessly and has a million ideas but I'd prefer to get some user advice as opposed to retailers suggestions :rolleyes:

Thanks for any useful suggestions.

toshiba2010

this thread should be in the questions section but that will be sorted out by the mods .
anyway if your son is really into airsoft i would recommend a m4 because they are so widely use in the sport and there are plenty of parts for them if they do give you trouble which in my case is never and you can also get loads & loads of bit to add to one if you pick one up with a rail system . so try sell or trade the gun he has at present and get a m4 G&G are a good make but really all m4,s are good . and they come in ABS or METAL body,s . hope this is of help to you & good luck .

toshiba2010

here is a m4 s- system with all front rail which you can add all kinds of stuff too pimp it up . that,s the one on the right . the other m4 is a KWA magpul

colly3

toshiba2010 wrote: »

here is a m4 s- system with all front rail which you can add all kinds of stuff too pimp it up . that,s the one on the right . the other m4 is a KWA magpul

Jeez, scary looking thing!

Thanks a million for the advice. To be fair, they guy in the shop did say he recommended the slv as a "starter" and if that's the case, it probably was at the lower end of the quality scale. His lordship wants to graduate to bigger and better hardware. He lives for the weekends and I know he's going to stick with it so I don't really mind investing a few more bob. I'll probably spend the rest of the day researching these now instead of doing what my boss pays me to do!!

Thanks again for your help, I really appreciate it.

T4RGET

like toshiba said in wrong place but we'll answer anyways
I'd recommend a G&G Raider, great starter gun with the reliability of a G&G

http://www.hobbyairsofter.com/Rifles/Colt-GR15-Raider-Blowback

another good one is the another similar M4 , it's pretty heavy though but after talking to one of the lads in hobby, he said it is amazing, bit on the expensive side i think for a China AEG but who am i too judge, if it works and works well

http://www.hobbyairsofter.com/Rifles/Colt-M4A1-CQBR-Metal-with-Retractable-Stock-Cyma

colly3

T4RGET wrote: »

like toshiba said in wrong place but we'll answer anyways
I'd recommend a G&G Raider, great starter gun with the reliability of a G&G

http://www.hobbyairsofter.com/Rifles/Colt-GR15-Raider-Blowback

another good one is the another similar M4 , it's pretty heavy though but after talking to one of the lads in hobby, he said it is amazing, bit on the expensive side i think for a China AEG but who am i too judge, if it works and works well

http://www.hobbyairsofter.com/Rifles/Colt-M4A1-CQBR-Metal-with-Retractable-Stock-Cyma[/QUOTE]

Thanks T4RGET, the second link you posted is one of the guns he has his eye on. This little fella has developed muscles on his muscles lately, I don't know how he deals with the weight of them at all. But after looking at the spec on both, there's a huge difference in weight (that's about the only thing I'd understand, the rest might as well be in latin!!)

Would you guys recommend buying new over second hand? Knowing sweet FA about this gear, I don't want to be forking out for a brand new bag of problems. As for his lordship.... I'm not taking his word for it cause as long as it looks good, he'd wrap me round his little finger and I'd cave in!!

Thanks guys

The Master

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colly3

The Master wrote: »

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Thanks Master, I did send an message after the other posters advised it was in the wring section.

T4RGET

buying second hand or new is a tough one. new gives you, well a new AEG so should perform better in theory, gives you a warranty and it's a start to a long relationship with a retailer who will keep draining money :P. on the other hand, second hand AEG's are cheaper and some of the more experienced lads on here actually sell AEG's with a load of upgrades in them for a pretty decent price sometimes. I started airsoft 3 years ago, a year in sold all my gear and bought the Raider as all my guns kept breaking, could be the learning curve but i blame it on the China AEG :P. the top one i linked is a G&G. alot of people including me, think they're the bees knees so to say, especially in your price range, other would be G&P, VFC, Tokyo Marui. there's some of the higher end brands. Those three are really expensive though, like i said if you're son i serious about playing and you feel he is, go the extra mile and get a decent one, it's like anything else, you get what you pay for. both my main AEG's are G&G, and one of them is a RAider, considered a starter airsoft gun and 3 years playing and it's the one i go to first.
the bottom one i linked is ike you said heavier, but it's made in China, now like i said Kev (the guy i was talking to) in hobby said the AEG itself is great he uses one, but I've had bad experience with them, there are plenty of other options but that's my though, it's long yes but I'm meant to be studying and im bored out of my head

The Master

colly3 wrote: »

Thanks Master, I did send an message after the other posters advised it was in the wring section.

We got it thanks

toshiba2010

to be honest i would not spend big money on buying a brand new m4 as they are pricey . i would buy a good second hand one for half the price of a new one and it may be upgraded a bit too . and if the seller is willing to stand over it you can,t go wrong . .
you should pick up one here in the adverts section very handy and at a low price you can go look at it and test fire it too and if your happy with it . it,s yours .

colly3

T4RGET wrote: »

I take it the studies are a tad tedious at the moment, a bit like me and work right now!:) When I get home, I'm going to show he who must be obeyed the replies and let him see what experienced guys think and hopefully he will absorb the info and use it to help him decide. Personally, I'd rather buy new, that's just being a crusty ole fogey mentality thinking of having a shop to go back to if anything goes belly up but having read your post, there's a lot to be said for second hand too. I suppose it's down to the seller on the day.... you'll get an idea of whether they are genuine or not.

Thanks again for your advice, it's really helpful

T4RGET

colly3 wrote: »

T4RGET wrote: »

I take it the studies are a tad tedious at the moment, a bit like me and work right now!:) When I get home, I'm going to show he who must be obeyed the replies and let him see what experienced guys think and hopefully he will absorb the info and use it to help him decide. Personally, I'd rather buy new, that's just being a crusty ole fogey mentality thinking of having a shop to go back to if anything goes belly up but having read your post, there's a lot to be said for second hand too. I suppose it's down to the seller on the day.... you'll get an idea of whether they are genuine or not.

Thanks again for your advice, it's really helpful

yeah, and you see this is where my advice and toshiba's really collide, i completely agree with him, i said something similar in my previous post, but you do get the odd dodgey AEG, and form lads on my team it's the second hand ones that are usually more dodgey but like we both said some of the lads here are ace when it comes to selling their gear, they're experienced and put a lot of work into their guns, are usually reluctant to sell them and have had a good home. some of the people here don't even skirmish the AEG's and just build them to have. so it is a personal choice really

little big planet 2

before buying another gun ask him how long he is charging it for if its overnight thats too long and will bust the battery and what kind of bbs he is using 0.20 is the perfect weight for an aeg if its .25 or .23 they might jam and also is he using clean unused bbs because if they been fired and damaged or are dirty they will definitely jam the gun hope this helps. hope he sticks at it because its a good sport

Southern Dandy

Yeah good quality bb's defo is a good start, good quality batteries and a charger then.

Give the lads at airsofteire a bell. Nothing but good things i have to say bout them, customer service is excellent, delivery time is lightning quick and I have no doubt they can advise you on a good, quality aeg at a decent price.

That not to say that other retailers are not good..ahem..but I have been going to them since i got into this airsoft malark and there spot on.

$kilkenny

it would probly be alot cheaper to hand the gun into a retailer and get it fixed.

and as the guys said good quality bbs and even maintanence like cleaning the barrel will help jamming.

if you are gona buy new i have a Cyma M4A1, very heavy alright but for the money.. well worth it! would recommend to anyone.

can i ask is the gun under warranty? usually they come with something like 6 months or a year??

colly3

Guys thanks for all your input. I think (hope) the BB's he's been using are the right ones as they were recommended by the shop and he's never used anything but the .20, I think there's 6,000 in a bottle (clear plastic with green cap) I can't remember the brand but I think it may be AEG or ASG or something similar (??) Another thing he was shown in the shop the day we bought the bulk of the gear was a melted battery, complete with a piece of duvet material still attached, apparently the kid who had it, left the battery on charge all night on his bed which started to smoulder. His lordship was scared to death and has never left a battery on all night. The shop suggested 6 hrs was sufficient so as an early riser, it's my job to plug both batteries in first thing in the morning.

Anyway, he's away to the credit union tomorrow to check his balance (it seems I am to be spared this time round:D) and is going to see what his options are. Thanks again guys

colly3

$kilkenny wrote: »

it would probly be alot cheaper to hand the gun into a retailer and get it fixed.

and as the guys said good quality bbs and even maintanence like cleaning the barrel will help jamming.

if you are gona buy new i have a Cyma M4A1, very heavy alright but for the money.. well worth it! would recommend to anyone.

can i ask is the gun under warranty? usually they come with something like 6 months or a year??

Now here's the crunch.... when he took the gun back with receipt the shop's stance was.... they were sold as seen as they were on special offer. In fairness, they did take it into a back room and un-jammed it. The gun came in a box with a sheet of double dutch inside about tests carried out in Holland or somewhere equally bizarre but I think on the day of buying, they may very well have seen a prize plonker walking in with a wad of cash there for the taking. The after sale service leaves a lot to the imagination but hey ho, that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

little big planet 2

if the gun was on sale you may well be stuffed

T4RGET

colly3 wrote: »

Now here's the crunch.... when he took the gun back with receipt the shop's stance was.... they were sold as seen as they were on special offer. In fairness, they did take it into a back room and un-jammed it. The gun came in a box with a sheet of double dutch inside about tests carried out in Holland or somewhere equally bizarre but I think on the day of buying, they may very well have seen a prize plonker walking in with a wad of cash there for the taking. The after sale service leaves a lot to the imagination but hey ho, that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

that whole thing about Holland is very strange as anything resembling a fire arm is illegal and airsoft is too, unless that was sarcasm :P can we ask what shop this was? out of curiosity really, if you don't want it it's cool, but i would really invest in a smart charger, cost about 45 euro and they tell you when the battery is done charging, i have one, plug the battery in at like 6 o clock the night before airsoft, couple of hours later, the light goes green and voula battery done, and the next one is plugged in.

colly3

little big planet 2 wrote: »

if the gun was on sale you may well be stuffed

Hey stuffed is my middle name.... I attract all sorts of stuffers!!:rolleyes:

I honestly can't say if it was on sale / special etc, his lordship went in with the full intention of buying a spetsna (probably wrong spelling there) but Mr Shop Keeper said the SLV was streets ahead, blah dee blah and both little sucker and big sucker were sold!!!

colly3

T4RGET wrote: »

that whole thing about Holland is very strange as anything resembling a fire arm is illegal and airsoft is too, unless that was sarcasm :P can we ask what shop this was? out of curiosity really, if you don't want it it's cool, but i would really invest in a smart charger, cost about 45 euro and they tell you when the battery is done charging, i have one, plug the battery in at like 6 o clock the night before airsoft, couple of hours later, the light goes green and voula battery done, and the next one is plugged in.

Reading that quote back, it's a bit obscure, the leaflet inside showed test fires on the gun I think, it was all alien to me as I might have been looking at the Book Of Kells.... it meant nothing to me) But I'm pretty sure the guy said they had arrived in from Holland and had been fully tested there. We were also steered in the direction of an additional charger because the one supplied was not as good as others on sale behind the counter. Jnr decided to invest in a second battery instead of the charger and to be fair, the batteries have been fine, he's always got a full day out of them.

The shop is near the aquatic centre in Blanch

T4RGET

colly3 wrote: »

Reading that quote back, it's a bit obscure, the leaflet inside showed test fires on the gun I think, it was all alien to me as I might have been looking at the Book Of Kells.... it meant nothing to me) But I'm pretty sure the guy said they had arrived in from Holland and had been fully tested there. We were also steered in the direction of an additional charger because the one supplied was not as good as others on sale behind the counter. Jnr decided to invest in a second battery instead of the charger and to be fair, the batteries have been fine, he's always got a full day out of them.

The shop is near the aquatic centre in Blanch

well im from Holland and can definitely say that airsoft is illegal and the dutch authorities do not take likely of that kind of stuff, that aside though, it's a good thing your son did invest in a battery and the retailer was right about the charger. getting into airsoft is a huge learning curve. the batteries i would recommend are intellects or firefox's they're a brand of batteries and perform extremely well

Southern Dandy

ASG are based out of Denmark i think so that's where it will be tested assembled etc etc might be getting confused between the two.

Pretty funny how a country like Holland is so liberal when it comes to prostitution and drugs yet they ban a harmless sport like airsoft.

Nuke1973

Southern Dandy wrote: »

ASG are based out of Denmark i think so that's where it will be tested assembled etc etc might be getting confused between the two.

Pretty funny how a country like Holland is so liberal when it comes to prostitution and drugs yet they ban a harmless sport like airsoft.

Having spent a lot of time in Holland over the last few years I can let you know, that in my experience, outside of Amsterdam it is not a liberal country even in university towns like Groningen.

But that's an aside. Even if an item is on sale it still has to be fit for purpose so the shop should n't claim afterwards that it was sold as seen.

My advice would be that whether he gets a new gun or get's that one serviced he should definitely invest in a decent charger.

T4RGET

Southern Dandy wrote: »

ASG are based out of Denmark i think so that's where it will be tested assembled etc etc might be getting confused between the two.

Pretty funny how a country like Holland is so liberal when it comes to prostitution and drugs yet they ban a harmless sport like airsoft.

Nuke hit the nail on the head there regarding both Holland and the AEG :P. alot of people have that few of Holland when really it's just Amsterdam, even there only some places.
@colly: if there is anything else just throw it up here, as you can see we are a friendly bunch :rolleyes: