Tracking

pog it

Hey all,
Just wondering what the average cost is to fix the tracking on my car, if say I am buying at least one tyre from the same garage?

CiniO

pog it wrote: »

Hey all,
Just wondering what the average cost is to fix the tracking on my car, if say I am buying at least one tyre from the same garage?

Tyres has nothing to do with tracking.

Markcheese

Usually about 40 euro, up or down a tenner... Hopefully someone else can tell u where to get it done cheaper....

Nissan doctor

Price depends on what adjustments your car has and requires.

pog it

CiniO wrote: »

Tyres has nothing to do with tracking.

It actually does. If it's not set properly your tyres will wear on one side.

niallam

pog it wrote: »

It actually does. If it's not set properly your tyres will wear on one side.

I think what CiniO meant was that the cost of tracking has nothing to do with the cost of a tire....
Your asking us if you think a garage will do you a deal on tracking if your buying a tire from them? Maybe ask them and not us????

Nissan doctor

pog it wrote: »

It actually does. If it's not set properly your tyres will wear on one side.

Wheel alignment effects the tyres, tyres don't effect the wheel alignment.;)


Its also always recommended to replace tyres in pairs as having odd tyres on the same axle can cause a car to pull to one side and have a braking imbalance.

CiniO

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Its also always recommended to replace tyres in pairs as having odd tyres on the same axle can cause a car to pull to one side and have a braking imbalance.

In Ireland and UK it's recommended, while in most other EU countries it's a must as it's illegal to drive on 2 different thread tyres within the same axle.

CiniO

pog it wrote: »

It actually does. If it's not set properly your tyres will wear on one side.

Can't deny that.
So there is a relation

Nissan doctor

CiniO wrote: »

In Ireland and UK it's recommended, while in most other EU countries it's a must as it's illegal to drive on 2 different thread tyres within the same axle.

As it should be here....but people would just moan that is was another money making scheme for the NCT......because, to far too many people, the only purpose of good tyres is to pass the NCT.:rolleyes:

gollywog

Nissan doctor wrote: »

pog it wrote: »

It actually does. If it's not set properly your tyres will wear on one side.

Wheel alignment effects the tyres, tyres don't effect the wheel alignment.;)


Its also always recommended to replace tyres in pairs as having odd tyres on the same axle can cause a car to pull to one side and have a braking imbalance.

Sorry to hijack this a little bit,
But just realised my back tyres are way past it, while the front have alot of tread left, so I ordered two Goodyear Eagle f1's. I'm gonna stick them up front and put the Nangkang ns-2's at the back.
Question is, will i get the full benefit of the Goodyears while still having the two nankangs on the rear? I just can't afford 4... Got them for 150 fitted, 235 40 18, seems a good deal?

gollywog

Nissan doctor wrote: »

pog it wrote: »

It actually does. If it's not set properly your tyres will wear on one side.

Wheel alignment effects the tyres, tyres don't effect the wheel alignment.;)


Its also always recommended to replace tyres in pairs as having odd tyres on the same axle can cause a car to pull to one side and have a braking imbalance.

Sorry to hijack this a little bit,
But just realised my back tyres are way past it, while the front have alot of tread left, so I ordered two Goodyear Eagle f1's. I'm gonna stick them up front and put the Nangkang ns-2's at the back.
Question is, will i get the full benefit of the Goodyears while still having the two nankangs on the rear? I just can't afford 4... Got them for 150 fitted, 235 40 18, seems a good deal?

Nissan doctor

gollywog wrote: »

Sorry to hijack this a little bit,
But just realised my back tyres are way past it, while the front have alot of tread left, so I ordered two Goodyear Eagle f1's. I'm gonna stick them up front and put the Nangkang ns-2's at the back.
Question is, will i get the full benefit of the Goodyears while still having the two nankangs on the rear? I just can't afford 4... Got them for 150 fitted, 235 40 18, seems a good deal?

What type of car is it? If its RWD you will have much more tendency to oversteer.

Weather FWD or RWD you will have different levels of traction front and rear so will need to account for this especially in wet conditions.

gollywog

Nissan doctor wrote: »

gollywog wrote: »

Sorry to hijack this a little bit,
But just realised my back tyres are way past it, while the front have alot of tread left, so I ordered two Goodyear Eagle f1's. I'm gonna stick them up front and put the Nangkang ns-2's at the back.
Question is, will i get the full benefit of the Goodyears while still having the two nankangs on the rear? I just can't afford 4... Got them for 150 fitted, 235 40 18, seems a good deal?

What type of car is it? If its RWD you will have much more tendency to oversteer.

Weather FWD or RWD you will have different levels of traction front and rear so will need to account for this especially in wet conditions.

It's a FWD A4... So I should get the other two sap then? Might keep the others incase of puncture or somethin

Nissan doctor

gollywog wrote: »

It's a FWD A4... So I should get the other two sap then? Might keep the others incase of puncture or somethin

Having odd tyres on 4wd vehicles is generally a bad idea as it can put extra strain and wear on the 4wd componants.

gollywog

Nissan doctor wrote: »

gollywog wrote: »

It's a FWD A4... So I should get the other two sap then? Might keep the others incase of puncture or somethin

Having odd tyres on 4wd vehicles is generally a bad idea as it can put extra strain and wear on the 4wd componants.

No man its front wheel drive, i thought that's what FWD meant sorry!

Nissan doctor

gollywog wrote: »

No man its front wheel drive, i thought that's what FWD meant sorry!

No, your right, FWD means front wheel drive, I'm just half asleep and somehow read your post wrong. Please ignore irrelevant 4WD comments:o

gollywog

Nissan doctor wrote: »

gollywog wrote: »

No man its front wheel drive, i thought that's what FWD meant sorry!

No, your right, FWD means front wheel drive, I'm just half asleep and somehow read your post wrong. Please ignore irrelevant 4WD comments:o

Oh ok no bother ha!
I'll end up gettin the next two quick anyway cause stupid little things like no having a full set would wreck my head :-/
Cheers for the help anywho!

creedp

I got car tracked last week as noticed the inner part of the front tyres were being worn away which I didn't notice immediately. Now the steering wheel is slightly off centre to the right whilethe car pulls to the left ifthe steering wheel is left go. The latter problem I have seen before but the former one I haven't. Ca adjusting the tracking affect the position of the steering wheel?

I have been onto the crowd and am taking the car back for a recheck. Just wanted to know if the steering wheel problem is a common one.

Avns1s

creedp wrote: »

I got car tracked last week as noticed the inner part of the front tyres were being worn away which I didn't notice immediately. Now the steering wheel is slightly off centre to the right whilethe car pulls to the left ifthe steering wheel is left go. The latter problem I have seen before but the former one I haven't. Ca adjusting the tracking affect the position of the steering wheel?

I have been onto the crowd and am taking the car back for a recheck. Just wanted to know if the steering wheel problem is a common one.

Yes, the tracking can affect the position of the steering wheel but whoever is doing the tracking should centre the steering wheel first and lock it in place.

On the pulling to the left, on normal roads there is a camber which will cause the car to pull slightly to the left if the wheel is let go. Is the pulling significant? If it is, I would also be looking at the condition of the tyres on the front and perhaps swopping them from left to right and see what happens then.

mickdw

gollywog wrote: »

Sorry to hijack this a little bit,
But just realised my back tyres are way past it, while the front have alot of tread left, so I ordered two Goodyear Eagle f1's. I'm gonna stick them up front and put the Nangkang ns-2's at the back.
Question is, will i get the full benefit of the Goodyears while still having the two nankangs on the rear? I just can't afford 4... Got them for 150 fitted, 235 40 18, seems a good deal?

Where did you get that price? Seems excellent to me. Im on 245 40 18 and the last time I looked, there was nothing around that price even excluding fitting.

creedp

Avns1s wrote: »

Yes, the tracking can affect the position of the steering wheel but whoever is doing the tracking should centre the steering wheel first and lock it in place.

On the pulling to the left, on normal roads there is a camber which will cause the car to pull slightly to the left if the wheel is let go. Is the pulling significant? If it is, I would also be looking at the condition of the tyres on the front and perhaps swopping them from left to right and see what happens then.

No its much more significant than the camber 'pull'. If I let go the steering wheel, the car veers left pretty sharply on any kind of road. I tried it while in the middle of on a dual carriageway and same result. It was nothing like that before it was tracked. The front tyres are Bridgestome Potenzas which I swopped from the back which are pretty new .. so no uneven wear issue. Will see how I get on when I get it rechecked.

gollywog

mickdw wrote: »

Where did you get that price? Seems excellent to me. Im on 245 40 18 and the last time I looked, there was nothing around that price even excluding fitting.

In Tallon Tyres in Clonmore Co Carlow, 152 each fitted, seems good to me anyway!

Avns1s

creedp wrote: »

No its much more significant than the camber 'pull'. If I let go the steering wheel, the car veers left pretty sharply on any kind of road. I tried it while in the middle of on a dual carriageway and same result. It was nothing like that before it was tracked. The front tyres are Bridgestome Potenzas which I swopped from the back which are pretty new .. so no uneven wear issue. Will see how I get on when I get it rechecked.

Try swopping the tyres over before you go in and see what happens the pull. The reason I suggest this is that once, again after getting new tyres and tracking done, I had the same problem. By swopping the tyres the pull shifted. Anyway, I put the tyres on the back and left them there. Only 30,000 miles later when changing the tyres did I notice that there was some kind of flaw in one of the tyres. Instead of the profile looking like a U it was more like a W, if that makes sense. Anyway, something in the tyre was making the centre of the thread be much lower than the outside.

And the tyre was ..... a Bridgestone Turanza!

piston

Sad thing is that many garages may have a load of electronic alignment stuff but very few know how to use it properly. The car should be driven up and down the street and then checked and adjusted again.

pog it

Just popping in to say thanks for the advice!

Had a good laugh at how i didn't get what you meant when you said tyres have no relation to tracking I was talking in my limited experience of tracking which is only associated with the tyres wearing on one side so pardon my ignorance!


appreciate the advice, getting the second tyre and tracking done in next couple of weeks so I'm getting them in a pair

Nissan doctor

creedp wrote: »

No its much more significant than the camber 'pull'. If I let go the steering wheel, the car veers left pretty sharply on any kind of road. I tried it while in the middle of on a dual carriageway and same result. It was nothing like that before it was tracked. The front tyres are Bridgestome Potenzas which I swopped from the back which are pretty new .. so no uneven wear issue. Will see how I get on when I get it rechecked.

What are the tyres on the rear now? Odd tyres on the rear can very easily cause issues as well.

Did you have just front wheel tracking done or proper 4 wheel alignment?

What cars is it?

mathepac

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Having odd tyres on 4wd vehicles is generally a bad idea ...

It's front wheel drive - FWD not 4WD

mathepac

Avns1s wrote: »

... Only 30,000 miles later when changing the tyres did I notice that there was some kind of flaw in one of the tyres. Instead of the profile looking like a U it was more like a W, if that makes sense. ...

One of the issues that makes tyres look odd and wear unevenly is incorrect tyre pressures.

An over inflated tyre will look like a V or U when viewed end-on and will wear the centre tread more than the outside

An under-inflated tyre will wear the outside tread first and leave the centre virtually untouched. Viewed end-on it will look like a W with a "buckle" in the middle, This will be more evident on low profile tyres which will also have reinforced side-walls, exaggerating the effect.

Avns1s

mathepac wrote: »

One of the issues that makes tyres look odd and wear unevenly is incorrect tyre pressures.

An over inflated tyre will look like a V or U when viewed end-on and will wear the centre tread more than the outside

An under-inflated tyre will wear the outside tread first and leave the centre virtually untouched. Viewed end-on it will look like a W with a "buckle" in the middle, This will be more evident on low profile tyres which will also have reinforced side-walls, exaggerating the effect.

While I agree broadly with your point on the under and over inflation, I am one of those people who rotates tyres every 5000 miles, and checks tyre pressures pretty much weekly, so I can assure you that in this case, the cause of the distortion in the tyre, had absolutely nothing to do with tyre pressure.