Sunday Independant private vendetta

tipptom

The Sindo since Anne Harris has taken over has gone in to complete overdrive about Denis O Brien and practically every page yesterday was given over to an attack so they may be able to prevent a takeover from him and Ann might lose her newly appointed job.They are now courting Labour the way they used to court FF and using their newspaper journalists to try to rush forward the handover of media policy from richard Brutons dept to Eamon Gilmores dept before June and it cetainly seems to me that labour are sending back love signals to them to currey positive articles.I carry no can for Denis o Brien but this seems subversive journalism to me and people are paying €2.90 for this personal vendetta.

IRE60

€2.70

steelcityblues

On the people are paying thing, it must be considerably less people in the last year or so. Every time I go down to the local newsagents on a Sunday afternoon, there is a considerable number of their papers still there. The likes of the Sunday Times, and a few of the tabloids, always seem to have a much smaller number left.

I know that this isn't 'scientific' proof, but I think it is clear that they count those free copies you get in restaurants/hotels/etc, in their sales list.

coylemj

steelcityblues wrote: »

On the people are paying thing, it must be considerably less people in the last year or so. Every time I go down to the local newsagents on a Sunday afternoon, there is a considerable number of their papers still there. The likes of the Sunday Times, and a few of the tabloids, always seem to have a much smaller number left.

That's just proof that your newsagent is crap at managing stock levels for certain newspapers. If he keeps returning lots of copies of the Sindo, they will just reduce his delivery to more realistic levels so it's strange that you say this happens 'every time' you go into the shop.

steelcityblues wrote: »

I know that this isn't 'scientific' proof, but I think it is clear that they count those free copies you get in restaurants/hotels/etc, in their sales list.

According to the rules laid down by the Audit Bureau of Circulation (ABC), discounted and free copies are not counted as sales.

IRE60

The six months up to December 2011 the Sunday Indo had sold 12,618 copies at "less than 50% of their basic cover price"

All of these were included in their overall "sales figure" of 250,641

coylemj

IRE60 wrote: »

The six months up to December 2011 the Sunday Indo had sold 12,618 copies at "less than 50% of their basic cover price"

All of these were included in their overall "sales figure" of 250,641

But the fact that you have the numbers for discounted copies means that advertisers do as well and that's all that counts.

IRE60

Don't get me wrong - I don't have a huge issue with 'bulks' - the numbers are transparent and there for all to see.
Although don't expect anyone from an agency to actually look for that information as it isn't delivered on a platter.
I do have an issue when the 'bulks' are close to 20% of the "sale" - I find that hard to take in.

Fuinseog

have not read the sindo in weeks. do they still have a love affair with Sean fitzpatrick and gayle killilea, two impoverished emigres forced to go abroad to earn a crust or so the sindo would have you believe?

coylemj

Fuinseog wrote: »

have not read the sindo in weeks. do they still have a love affair with Sean fitzpatrick and gayle killilea, two impoverished emigres forced to go abroad to earn a crust or so the sindo would have you believe?

That would be Sean Dunne, the other Seanie was of Anglo fame. Gayle still seems to have lots of old journo mates in the Sindo so gets a relatively easy ride when her name comes up.

In fairness she always cultivated a separate professional identity for herself so she doesn't deserve to be tarred with the same brush as the husband who seems to have an ego almost as big as that giant glass pyramid he proposed to build on the Jurys site.

tipptom

coylemj wrote: »

That would be Sean Dunne, the other Seanie was of Anglo fame. Gayle still seems to have lots of old journo mates in the Sindo so gets a relatively easy ride when her name comes up.

In fairness she always cultivated a separate professional identity for herself so she doesn't deserve to be tarred with the same brush as the husband who seems to have an ego almost as big as that giant glass pyramid he proposed to build on the Jurys site.

Oh,"The Blonde" has an ego to match the Baron all right,dont forget they were big mates of Bertie as well,being one of the few to be personally by him to America for his speech to the house of congress,that would give them a free pass in the Sindo to.

Cardinal Richelieu

Apart from the terrible journalism, the Supermarket adverts page after page turn me off, I know they need the income but with full page adds from 3 of the large supermarkets its like reading a supermarket pullout with the odd article throw in.

Fuinseog

despite its many failings it appears to be the no. 1 selling sunday newspaper.

tipptom

To be fair Iwouldnt blame them for the advertising as its a good source of revenue and reflects their succesful high unit output but i would say their sales are to the more mature reader who have bought the paper for decades and are not open to change even if they have to read articles from journalists who make them selves the centre of every article and the subject is relegated to a footnote.

Fuinseog

tipptom wrote: »

To be fair Iwouldnt blame them for the advertising as its a good source of revenue and reflects their succesful high unit output but i would say their sales are to the more mature reader who have bought the paper for decades and are not open to change even if they have to read articles from journalists who make them selves the centre of every article and the subject is relegated to a footnote.

true enough. I know my mother reads it for that very reason and which is why I get to flick through it. The jobs section is good.


the sindo has produced some memorable moments an is unintentionlly funny. without it Phoenix would have little to mock
they used to have a hack called Ciara O Dwyer in the nineties. I wonder what became of her?

Wild Bill

Lmfao at the Sindo's sudden love of Labour! Till about a month ago Labour was the Great Satan!

Any port in a storm? :rolleyes:

Wild Bill

I'm no great fan of O'Brien/FG but jeez would I like to see them screw the moral derelicts of the O'Reilly/Harris fascism that we have endured for the past 30 years!

Heads on spikes? - yes please

Wild Bill

Fuinseog wrote: »

despite its many failings it appears to be the no. 1 selling sunday newspaper.

You mean, like, just behind the News of the World?

Let's hope it follows it all the way!

Wild Bill

Wild Bill wrote: »

You mean, like, just behind the News of the World?

Let's hope it follows it all the way!

Of course, Eilis O'Hanlan did a rather pathetic cringing apologia for that Murdoch rag when it folded.

I guess there was an understandable empathy there

tipptom

Wild Bill wrote: »

Lmfao at the Sindo's sudden love of Labour! Till about a month ago Labour was the Great Satan!

Any port in a storm? :rolleyes:

I would say they will really step up their courting today after their conferance last night.Next up will be a personal fawning walking interview a la Bertie through Stephans green with Eamon Gilmore and Ann Harris with plenty "of of the record" lobbying and the promise of plenty of love in articles about top performing labour ministers.

Wild Bill

tipptom wrote: »

I would say they will really step up their courting today after their conferance last night.Next up will be a personal fawning walking interview a la Bertie through Stephans green with Eamon Gilmore and Ann Harris with plenty "of of the record" lobbying and the promise of plenty of love in articles about top performing labour ministers.

No awkward questions about North Korean banknotes then I guess? :pac:

Some of their self-imagined rock starts would have to swallow hard if Labour's price was for the Indo to back it's anti-privatization and pro-Croke Park positions; but a drowning man doesn't have a strong negotiating position when a hand is extended!

mathepac

tipptom wrote: »

The Sindo since Anne Harris has taken over has gone in to complete overdrive about Denis O Brien and practically every page yesterday was given over to an attack so they may be able to prevent a takeover ...

Surely Harris, just like those who preceded her is just pandering to the Wing Commander Brigadier Dr Sir Excellency Honorary Title Collector and Unetitled Prefix user O'Reilly commands and trying to bate off O'Brien for him. Professional Journalist & Manger with a track-record for integrity and moral outlook? Owner's lick-spittle and wages-whore in reality.

C'est la vie mes amis, entrecote du jour, as Harris might say.

Wild Bill

mathepac wrote: »

Surely Harris, just like those who preceded her is just pandering to the Wing Commander Brigadier Dr Sir Excellency Honorary Title Collector and Unetitled Prefix user O'Reilly commands and trying to bate off O'Brien for him. Professional Journalist & Manger with a track-record for integrity and moral outlook? Owner's lick-spittle and wages-whore in reality.

C'est la vie mes amis, entrecote du jour, as Harris might say.

At the end of the day all hacks in the mainstream media are Corporate rent boys. Irish Times scribblers, for example, no exception. :cool:

This doesn't sound as noble as a "gladiators of the Fourth Estate" - but it is 100% true!However, some corporate Masters are more odious than others, and their whores more craven than others - the Sindo/Indo group being the worst example in Eire. At least if O'Brien took over we'd have the pleasure of seeing one set of cretins shafted - a small price tp pay for having to endure the new set of corporate drones

JemWhsky

O Brien has them crapping themselves,enjoy the show..................smile

tipptom

JemWhsky wrote: »

O Brien has them crapping themselves,enjoy the show..................smile

MMM,the attack dogs seem to have gone very quite this week.Mr Harris seems to have fallen through on his pledge from 9 weeks ago that he would resign if O Brien took over.Hope he cuts swathes through the incestous flea pit,happy days.