2k+ to spend on a full Suss - what's the best bang for buck ?

uberalles

Anyone any favourites ?

Sweenox

Nice Cubes for that money,bikestore.ie have loads in stock

dingdong1234567

canyon.

Tenzor07

uberalles wrote: »

Anyone any favourites ?

Can you be more specific?

1. Short travel XC Full suss 100mm
2. Mid-travel trail machine 120mm
3. Downhill Machine 140mm++

uberalles

Tenzor07 wrote: »

uberalles wrote: »

Anyone any favourites ?

Can you be more specific?

1. Short travel XC Full suss 100mm
2. Mid-travel trail machine 120mm
3. Downhill Machine 140mm++

120 travel I think. Thanks

neil_

Best bang for buck will always be second hand, if you're willing to potentially wait a while for something nice to come up you could get top end bicycle for 2k.

If you're after a new bike it's usually best to just wait for something to come on special offer, big online shops like CRC, bike24, bike-components etc have a habit of randomly discounting large swathes of stock for a while or offering % off everything.

If you're after something new right now canyon is a pretty good place to start looking, they sell directly (no dealers) so they they often end up a bit cheaper than other companies. They have an outlet store too with display bikes and such. http://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/bike.html?b=2558

Tenzor07

uberalles wrote: »

120 travel I think. Thanks

That would be an XC/trail bike, good for downhill but not so much weight as to make you suffer on the uphills...

The number 1 bike in that range is the Giant Trance X :
www.base2race.ie/stores/velomotion/giant/giant-trance/

They are almost impossible to find 2nd hand as most people will hold onto them.

Ok so its not as cheap as a Canyon, but it will last you a lot longer, and i personally prefer the design of the Giant

Sweenox

Rough guide would be

100-120mm-XC
120-140mm-AM/Enduro
160-180-Freeride/Enduro/Light DH
anything over 180 for full on DH

Depends on what kind of riding you are looking to do really,bit of xc and trails but try bigger more techy stuff in the future I would go with 140mm,handle a small bit of light DH and won't kill you on the climbs,would be a nice fun bike but still come in at reasonable enough weight. If your just going to ride trails like Ballyhoura etc. a 120mm travel would be perfect for that.

I mentioned the cubes because I have tried a few of their offerings and just think they handle great,not too heavy,climb well and are reasonably well kitted out for the price. Someone also mentioned Canyon,haven't tried them myself but heard nothing but good things from anyone who has and they come with seriously good kit for the money so would be well worth a look

Hope this helps a bit

Rob

Sweenox

Tenzor07 wrote: »

That would be an XC/trail bike, good for downhill but not so much weight as to make you suffer on the uphills...

The number 1 bike in that range is the Giant Trance X :
www.base2race.ie/stores/velomotion/giant/giant-trance/

They are almost impossible to find 2nd hand as most people will hold onto them.

Ok so its not as cheap as a Canyon, but it will last you a lot longer, and i personally prefer the design of the Giant

I had the trance x4,also a great bike,felt a bit different to the cubes but still a good bike,seriously easy to climb but for me a little less fun on the descents,you could find it different,definitely a great bike.

Tenzor07

Can't say I have noticed many CUBE branded bikes on the trails, certainly no older models anyways..

Though to give you some perspective, last years "EPIC Blast"(a DH/XC race) was won by Robin Seymour on a 4 year old Trance, and his was up against 2 pro's on bikes worth €10,000!
And at the weekend's "Gravity Enduro" on that same old Giant Trance he was only a minute slower than the winner(s) who were pro's on bikes worth many many times the value of the old Trance..

So "Bang for Buck?" Go with the Trance X

Lumen

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Though to give you some perspective, last years "EPIC Blast"(a DH/XC race) was won by Robin Seymour on a 4 year old Trance, and his was up against 2 pro's on bikes worth €10,000!

In fairness Robin Seymour could probably beat most people on a unicycle.

Sweenox

Ye I was meaning if he was buying a new cube,could get a cube stereo for 2k,certainly not disputing the fact that the trance is a great bike,like I said I loved mine,just had more fun on the cube on descents,but I'm into bigger travel,and like DH more. Still sick I ever sold the trance though,much lighter than the cube too

Tenzor07

Lumen wrote: »

In fairness Robin Seymour could probably beat most people on a unicycle.

True, though when you think of him beating the pro's on what's basically his hack bike it shows the Trance is a good design that can stand up to the abuse... have not seen any old XC/Trail CUBE/Canyon full sus bikes around, a few Specialized though...

Tenzor07

Sweenox wrote: »

Ye I was meaning if he was buying a new cube,could get a cube stereo for 2k,certainly not disputing the fact that the trance is a great bike,like I said I loved mine,just had more fun on the cube on descents,but I'm into bigger travel,and like DH more. Still sick I ever sold the trance though,much lighter than the cube too

Should have got the REIGN

Sweenox

Actually someone sold a spotless one for peanuts a few weeks back on the DH site

thethingis

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Should have got the REIGN

I wonder what the Reign is like going uphill? Most people say 120 is fine for Trail. a 140 bike will be a pain to cycle up hill.

BUT ........... is it worth the extra weight for the extra fun going down hill?
Is it way more comfortable than a 120? Is the seating position more upright and comfortable? (Im getting on and like my comforts!)

Ive a hard tail at the mo so Ive no experience of full suss but its something I def want to get.

Tenzor07

thethingis wrote: »

I wonder what the Reign is like going uphill? Most people say 120 is fine for Trail. a 140 bike will be a pain to cycle up hill.
BUT ........... is it worth the extra weight for the extra fun going down hill?
Is it way more comfortable than a 120? Is the seating position more upright and comfortable? (Im getting on and like my comforts!)
Ive a hard tail at the mo so Ive no experience of full suss but its something I def want to get.

A Reign with XT is around the 30lbs mark so is still grand for pedalling uphill, whereas the Trance will be a couple of pounds lighter...
Its only when you look at the Giant Glory that you will have to push the bike up any long to medium/steep climbs... And really unless you are a downhill racer then don't bother.. I see way too many people pushing full DH rigs up the trails at the likes of Ticknock just for a couple of mins of downhill which could be done on a Hardtail!!

As mentioned
100mm XC
120 is XC/Trail
140 would be Trail
160 All Mountain
180++ DH only..

studiorat

http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/index.php?page=product&info=213
^^^
I think that's a lot of bike for the money. 130-160mm adjustable travel. 2 x 10 speed X9 gears, DT Swiss wheels, Race Face cranks.
31.5 pounds without pedals, plus it looks pretty cool.

They also do a 200mm travel bike for the same price.

The Lapierre Zesty could be worth a look also.

Tenzor07

Nice bike, looks similar to the Zesty, though never heard of them, wonder what there Frame break/replace policy is..

Zesty's are prob the top seller of trail/xc bikes in the country, i believe you won't get one at the €2k price mark unless you source from the UK/Europe.

studiorat

In addition to the actual frame warranty. They've a 2 year 'swap after impact' policy. Which covers the original owner for breaking the thing in a crash.

I know the Zesty's were breaking at the seat tube for a while, I know a lad who broke 2! They gave him a carbon fiber one in the end...

rab!dmonkey

Have you tried any modern full-sussers OP? The amount of suspension is only a very rough indicator of how well something will pedal - every bike will be different.

I ride a 2008 Specialized Pitch and its biggest handicap on the climbs is its downhill tyres. The only time I've ever really felt the suspension eat into my pedalling was when I was stamping on a pretty heavy gear, while climbing with the shock pedalling platform turned off.

If you're only going to get one full-susser, then I'd recommend something around the 140 - 160 mm bracket. The Zesty and the YT bike look nice alright.

Sweenox

YT industries DH frame has problems with the rear triangle cracking and breaking along the chainstay,not sure about the AM bike. You could get a Lapierre Zesty 214 for 2k or a spicy 316 for 2,300

Tenzor07

214's are just under €2.2k: here

studiorat

Sweenox wrote: »

YT industries DH frame has problems with the rear triangle cracking and breaking along the chainstay,not sure about the AM bike.

I believe they were updated since.

Sweenox

Cool,good to see companies like YT and Canyon bringing out more affordable bikes.
2,045.00e here
http://www.bikestore.ie/all-mountain-bikes-1/suspension-bikes-mens/lapierre/lapierre-zesty-214-bike-2012.html

Now I want one haha

Tenzor07

I think i may purchase a Scott Spark: here

aongo

My brother and I borrowed a LaPierre Zesty 214 for a weekend's messing around Sligo and I was blown away by it...
Light and nimble, no apparent pedal-bob even when stood up and mashing... serious fun on the downs, but what really impressed me was unbelievable performance on rough bouldery surfaces - we cycled back and forth over head-sized skree on a rocky beach as if it was the finest asphalt, the suspension gives you that much control, grip and traction.
I ride a hardtail with much steeper geometry so once I got over the "chasing a wheelbarrow down a trail" sensation, the bike was brilliant!

I reckon that high under-the-toptube suspension design is one to consider - fewer bearings & joints and the shock is up and out of the way of mud and flying stones, important if your about to drop some serious cash on a bike

I'd doc half a mark for standard quick-release wheels on the one we had, the preferences seem to be for stiffer screw-through axles on these kind of bikes, though I didn't notice any flex or anything like that...

Sweenox

:eek: Is that a mistake on the price? I would be homeless if she ever found out I spent that on a bike!

Tenzor07

aongo wrote: »

I reckon that high under-the-toptube suspension design is one to consider - fewer bearings & joints and the shock is up and out of the way of mud and flying stones...

Try put an easily accessible bottle cage on a Zesty though!

Tenzor07

Sweenox wrote: »

:eek: Is that a mistake on the price? I would be homeless if she ever found out I spent that on a bike!

Nope, thats the price of the Spark, €10k of bike

Sweenox

Ha nice bike but man that's pricey! Think I'll stick to saving for my cannondale jekyll haha

aongo

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Try put an easily accessible bottle cage on a Zesty though!

Oh yeah, good point... guess you're stuck with a waterbag... or funky saddle-mounted triathlon bottle cages - that'd look good with a dropper post!

thethingis

Ive heard that the Giants rear shocks are easily replaced with readily available parts when Out OF Warranty but some other manufacturers use proprietary parts (more expensive). Any truth in this?

Tenzor07

thethingis wrote: »

Ive heard that the Giants rear shocks are easily replaced with readily available parts when Out OF Warranty but some other manufacturers use proprietary parts (more expensive). Any truth in this?

You would not really need to replace the rear shock, ever... So long as the air can and seals are regularly cleaned..

I think you mean the pivot bearings... which are easily and readily available for Giants, you may have trouble with Canyons and the like though..

studiorat

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Try put an easily accessible bottle cage on a Zesty though!

Nuthin' that a couple of Jubilee clips and a bit of gaffer tape wouldn't sort out.

thethingis

If you put a Giant Reign circa 2.8K beside their comparable spec bike whats the Euro saving? Whats the premium for keeping the LBS open? What % approx?

The advantage of a Giant etc from a LBS is you can kick it around a shop and return it when you need to, I realise that. But how much is the saving if you want to risk it for a biscuit?

Everyone wants the best spec they can get at the end of the day.

Tenzor07

Which model Canyon?

The Strive?

uberalles

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Which model Canyon?

The Strive?

Just as an example please compare that one if it's a comparable spec. I'm on a smart phone at the mo and can't go look at the black gothic canyon site as we speak.

Thanks

rab!dmonkey

It's very difficult to quantify. It's a question which can only be answered personally. If you're already an experienced mountain biker, you probably aren't going to your shop for much so I can't see much incentive in paying over the odds at a shop. The Canyons are much better specced than other bikes in the same price range, so I'd go with one of them.

As a side note, the Giant Reign has a major oversight compared to other bikes in the same travel range: you can't fit a chainguide. It doesn't have ISCG mounts and it has a press-fit BB. That'd be enough to put me off.

Hashy Houdini

Check out the Nukeproof Mega AM comp build - did the Carrick DH race on it last weekend and planning on doing the Gravity Enduro in 3rock soon. Took it up to Ballinastoe last week, might be bit overkill for that but pedalled grand up the hills. 2x10 setup with a chainguide on it can't go wrong

Russman

Slightly OT, a mate of mine got a full
suss Lapierre "something" recently for using using up in Ticknock. Swears by it.
Is a full suss necessary for the likes of Ticknock or would a hard tail suffice ?

rab!dmonkey

For the official trails a hardtail is perfect.

Dcmb1984

Hello everyone. Was on here looking at what people had to say about buying a 2.5k full sus mtb. Since 4 years have passed since the last post here what would people advise now a days to buy. I just have looked at the Cube stereos so far

sparrowcar

Dcmb1984 wrote: »

Hello everyone. Was on here looking at what people had to say about buying a 2.5k full sus mtb. Since 4 years have passed since the last post here what would people advise now a days to buy. I just have looked at the Cube stereos so far

Canyon spectral EX versions.
All the bike you'll need for Ireland.

Eamonnator

sparrowcar wrote: »

Canyon spectral EX versions.
All the bike you'll need for Ireland.

Nothing to beat Canyon for value and quality.
I particularly like the Spectral 7EX.
However, I would happily settle for the 6EX
Availability is good at the moment.

benneca1

I have a Giant Reign. Front lifts a bit on seriously steep uphill singletrack but to be honest only stuff thats so steep you'd prefer to be going down it or avoid it altogether. Point it down and its a dream if you can pick one up SH wouldn't look past it all bushings easily replaced and fork is pike which is well put together

Dcmb1984

Hello again guys.
I'm currently looking at a second hand 2016 Canyon strive al 7.0 race. Have ye any experience or opinions on this bike?

muckwarrior

Dcmb1984 wrote: »

Hello again guys.
I'm currently looking at a second hand 2016 Canyon strive al 7.0 race. Have ye any experience or opinions on this bike?

Excellent bike. The 2015 model had awful trouble with the shapeshifter, but they've got that pretty much sorted now.