Return land back after being forestry land

raher1

Can land be returned to grass land from forestry land?:D

rancher

Sonye wrote: »

Can land be returned to grass land from forestry land?:D

Law says it has to remain in forestry, so hopefully there will still be grants to replant...,.

raher1

rancher wrote: »

Law says it has to remain in forestry, so hopefully there will still be grants to replant...,.

That's a waste of land. You could feed a beast

brian_t

There's a previous thread here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055834782

greenfingers89

you have 2 options OP. reclaim the land and pay back all grants including grants covering the establishment works

or plant an equal area somewhere else to allow you reclaim said lands (you wouldnt be getting an extra grant to help you do this

neither are cheap so be sure your going to be better off once you reclaim the land

greenfingers89

rancher wrote: »

so hopefully there will still be grants to replant...,.

there is no grant to cover replanting of forestry

raher1

seems like a waste of land,tree wouldn't grow on land that trees have grown before. wouldn't be benifical to grow crop or feed animals.dead trees are good for no one. a hedgerow with bushes and trees are good for everyone

greenfingers89

Sonye wrote: »

tree wouldn't grow on land that trees have grown before. wouldn't be benifical to grow crop or feed animals.

not sure what this means???

raher1

why leave land after deforestry looking like a war zone.could it not be used for argri land?

greenfingers89

Sonye wrote: »

why leave land after deforestry looking like a war zone.could it not be used for argri land?

i see what you're trying to say now. the land has to be replanted following a clearfell by law.

and by the way trees grow even better second time around not worse as you say. a rotation length can often be reduced by approx 5 years second time around.
its due to factors like improved drainage, lots of freely available urea from decaying needles, rotting stumps providing a more slow release dose of nutrients over the years and a better soil structure

brian_t

Sonye wrote: »

why leave land after deforestry looking like a war zone.could it not be used for argri land?

Surely trees are a crop just like grass or cereals.

greenfingers89

brian_t wrote: »

Surely trees are a crop just like grass or cereals.

correct! its just that ireland doesnt think of it this way yet

doctor evil

greenfingers89 wrote: »

its due to factors like improved drainage, lots of freely available urea from decaying needles, rotting stumps providing a more slow release dose of nutrients over the years and a better soil structure

Do the pine needles not take forever to break down? I heard they increase the pH of the soil.

raher1

The way forests are sown,they are dark and unsightly.

Wild Bill

Sonye wrote: »

The way forests are sown,they are dark and unsightly.

Love dark forests meself. Unsightly? Compared to agricultural fields?




No way Jose! :cool:

raher1

Yeah that looks thinned,well planted and loads of light but fake. I could take pics of forests. In which it's three o clock in the day but three a night in there forest floor.

Wild Bill

Sonye wrote: »

Yeah that looks thinned,well planted and loads of light but fake. I could take pics of forests. In which it's three o clock in the day but three a night in there forest floor.

So could I - your point?

(The photo is not a "fake", btw)

raher1

Wild Bill wrote: »

So could I - your point?

(The photo is not a "fake", btw)

Most planted forests are dark,no plants other than thin conifers or half dead token native trees. It's sad.

Wild Bill

Sonye wrote: »

Most planted forests are dark,no plants other than thin conifers or half dead token native trees. It's sad.

Whatever :rolleyes:

raher1

i am right:)

Wild Bill

Sonye wrote: »

i am right:)

'Course you are :rolleyes:

Ettellig

Sonye wrote: »

The way forests are sown,they are dark and unsightly.

It's purely subjective. Go to the Pacific Northwest and see Sitka/Hemlock/Fir /Western Red cedar in their mature majesty...it could be like that here someday.

Trees, trees against the sky -
O I have loved them well!
There are pleasures you cannot buy,
Treasurers you cannot sell,
And not the smallest of these
Is the gift and glory of trees. . . .
So I gaze and I know now why
It is good to live - and to die. . . .
Trees and the Infinite Sky.

raher1

Wild Bill wrote: »

'Course you are :rolleyes:

its all good. trees will grow and man will die

Wild Bill

Sonye wrote: »

its all good. trees will grow and man will die

Eventually trees will also die :rolleyes:

raher1

What was the my question again?

Wild Bill

Sonye wrote: »

What was the my question again?

Can't remember.

raher1

yawn

Wild Bill

...zzzzz..........................

Wild Bill

Sonye wrote: »

Can land be returned to grass land from forestry land?

...zzzzzzz........Oh! :eek:

Of course it can!

St. Leibowitz

Pleeeese stop feeding the troll. Just let this die.

brian_t

St. Leibowitz wrote: »

Pleeeese stop feeding the troll. Just let this die.

I think you are unfair to refer to either of the above posters as a troll but there was certainly no need for this thread to run to a second page.

Wild Bill

brian_t wrote: »

I think you are unfair to refer to either of the above posters as a troll but there was certainly no need for this thread to run to a second page.

Well, I'm certainly not a troll. If I'm feeding one then apologies

raher1

It's over will bill.

Wild Bill

I don't hear any fat lady singing :cool:

raher1

Sound

eamon11

hi,

sorry for the question but I am looking very long term here. What if you have a hardwood forest. Grants etc are for 20 yrs. Lets say you allow the hardwood to reach maturity or at least 80 to 100 yrs. Thats many years in forestry after the grants stop. Could the land be returned to agriculture then without any need to payback?

tks

greenfingers89

eamon11 wrote: »

hi,

sorry for the question but I am looking very long term here. What if you have a hardwood forest. Grants etc are for 20 yrs. Lets say you allow the hardwood to reach maturity or at least 80 to 100 yrs. Thats many years in forestry after the grants stop. Could the land be returned to agriculture then without any need to payback?

tks

eamon your asking if the law will be changed in 80 years time:rolleyes:

but anyway here goes... the very unofficial word i've heard is that if total forestry cover in ireland reaches 20% (was previously told 15%) then the obligation to replant will be changed. almost all plantations will be replanted anyway so the thinking is the cover wont drop very much at all. the best you can do is treat it as the law is now, plant with the knowledge that forestry will have to remain there

raher1

greenfingers89 wrote: »

eamon your asking if the law will be changed in 80 years time:rolleyes:

but anyway here goes... the very unofficial word i've heard is that if total forestry cover in ireland reaches 20% (was previously told 15%) then the obligation to replant will be changed. almost all plantations will be replanted anyway so the thinking is the cover wont drop very much at all. the best you can do is treat it as the law is now, plant with the knowledge that forestry will have to remain there

e
might as well ask coillte or the agri dept:pac: