Outdoor tap.

Johntegr

How much would it cost to have one fitted? Are they an easy enough to do a DIY jobby?

Switch water off, hole in the wall, break link in pipe to kitchen sink, feed off that with a T-Junction and then fill the hole or is there more than that to it?

JohnnieK

Johntegr wrote: »

How much would it cost to have one fitted? Are they an easy enough to do a DIY jobby?

Switch water off, hole in the wall, break link in pipe to kitchen sink, feed off that with a T-Junction and then fill the hole or is there more than that to it?

You have answered your own question

Johntegr

JohnnieK wrote: »

You have answered your own question

I don't know. I think I may but wouldn't know if I'm right or wrong 'til I'm flooding the kitchen.

Guessing I'll be told to use that magical new flexy pipe stuff instead of copper?

JohnnieK

Ah your spot on alright. Turn the mains off and flush a few toilets. This will take the vacum off the mains pipe when you drain it at the sink so you don't get a fright when you are working on the pipe.

You will need a tap, 317W and a 318 tee and a couple of 315 bends. The pipe is up to you, pex pipe might be easier for you to work with so don't forget the inserts. With the water off you will be fine. Just take your time doing it.

heinbloed

The tap installation must be frost proof. Otherwise you'll loose your flooding insurance.
There are frost proof outside taps available.
Not every plumber knows about these, ask in the plumbing center and/or check the www..

Johntegr

Ta gents. Will let yas know how I get on.

sullzz

heinbloed wrote: »

The tap installation must be frost proof. Otherwise you'll loose your flooding insurance.
There are frost proof outside taps available.
Not every plumber knows about these, ask in the plumbing center and/or check the www..

So does that mean im fuked now and that my customers can sue me by making their home insurance void by not making my outside tap frost proof , don't make me laugh .

anheneti

sullzz wrote: »

So does that mean im fuked now and that my customers can sue me by making their home insurance void by not making my outside tap frost proof , don't make me laugh .

I was just thinking he has gone quiet and I log on today and see he has started posting shyte again. If you really want a laugh look at his other posts today.
Anheneti

paddy147

heinbloed wrote: »

The tap installation must be frost proof. Otherwise you'll loose your flooding insurance.
There are frost proof outside taps available.
Not every plumber knows about these, ask in the plumbing center and/or check the www..

Please do post the link and not just post www.


Absolutely pointless doing that.




Do you have a link for that with regards Ireland and Irish insurance companies policies and underwriting deparments and flooding cover?

Thanks.

Joey the lips

When i fit my tap i used a wall plate not commonly available but very good which gave added insulation.

I also fitted a gate valve so i can turn off the water from inside if frost or kids are imminent.

I also fitted a non return valve as its regulation.

I am not the most competitent when it comes to plumbing but i know all i need to in theory if that makes sense. So if your half good at DIY you will be fine.

nuzzer

please tell me why you need non return valve

JohnnieK

nuzzer wrote: »

please tell me why you need non return valve

Water bylaws. If anything is taken from the mains a non return valve must be fitted to prevent back syphonage. Its all what if's.

heinbloed

JohnnyK and Joey the lips recommend a non-return valve to be installed when installing an outdoor tap. Talking about by-laws which they think demand this non-return valve when operating an outside tap...



@ JohnnyK and Joey the lips:


Which by-laws are meant ? Any link ?

Why are these by-laws demanding a non-retun valve for outside taps and not for the domestic water connection as such? One non-return valve at the main connection would prevent syphoning into the public water system.
Putting one at each single tapping point (sink, shower, bath, washing machine,outside tap etc...) is more than absurd.


Who teaches such things? Where do posters get these ideas from?

PS

My local water works use outside taps without non-return valves. So does my local supermarket, my petrol station, my local school, the dairy, the garden center, even the hospital etc...all illegal public health threatening operations?

paddy147

heinbloed wrote: »

Who teaches such things? Where do posters get these ideas from?

Can you answer my question then please??

heinbloed wrote: »

The tap installation must be frost proof. Otherwise you'll loose your flooding insurance.

There are frost proof outside taps available.

Not every plumber knows about these, ask in the plumbing center and/or check the www..

paddy147 wrote: »

Please do post the link and not just post www.

Absolutely pointless doing that.

Do you have a link for that with regards Ireland and Irish insurance companies policies and underwriting deparments and flooding cover?

Thanks.

JohnnieK

Stirring again Heinblowed.

Local authority laws state that the only connection of an incoming main is to be a kitchen sink and a storage tank. A whole house shall not be fed from the mains unless writen permision has been granted or it is an existing dwelling.
I have no time to post a link because im too busy, have a life and i just know from collage.

Again state what you do for a living so we can start taking your seriously. You constantly avoid this question and you rub people up the wrong way and scare other posters who are here looking for advice.

If you reply to this in your usual smart arrogant way i will reply with foul language and probably get band but i dont care.

I think the OP has more than enough advice about his simple job and the post should be closed.

slavetothegrind

JohnnieK wrote: »

Stirring again Heinblowed.

Local authority laws state that the only connection of an incoming main is to be a kitchen sink and a storage tank. A whole house shall not be fed from the mains unless writen permision has been granted or it is an existing dwelling.
I have no time to post a link because im too busy, have a life and i just know from collage.

Again state what you do for a living so we can start taking your seriously. You constantly avoid this question and you rub people up the wrong way and scare other posters who are here looking for advice.

If you reply to this in your usual smart arrogant way i will reply with foul language and probably get band but i dont care.

I think the OP has more than enough advice about his simple job and the post should be closed.

Not worth it johnny, you get banned he wins forum loses! Stick him on ignore list instead

Joey the lips

heinbloed wrote: »

JohnnyK and Joey the lips recommend a non-return valve to be installed when installing an outdoor tap. Talking about by-laws which they think demand this non-return valve when operating an outside tap...



@ JohnnyK and Joey the lips:


Which by-laws are meant ? Any link ?

Why are these by-laws demanding a non-retun valve for outside taps and not for the domestic water connection as such? One non-return valve at the main connection would prevent syphoning into the public water system.
Putting one at each single tapping point (sink, shower, bath, washing machine,outside tap etc...) is more than absurd.


Who teaches such things? Where do posters get these ideas from?

PS

My local water works use outside taps without non-return valves. So does my local supermarket, my petrol station, my local school, the dairy, the garden center, even the hospital etc...all illegal public health threatening operations?

i was not thinking primarmarilary of by laws and tbh thats not my concern. Most people leave hoses attached to there taps outside. If by some chance the mains water goes off then you are likely to get back siophoning from the hose. This will contaminate the water supply at the min and depending on where the mouth of the hose is can do anything.

I know someone as intelligent as yourself prob knew this but anything for a row i am guessing.

DoneDL

All or most local water by-laws will contain the following statements or a variation of the theme

2.1.7 All pipes which supply or may supply drinking water shall be flushed to remove debris
including excess flux that may have collected in the pipes during installation, renewal
or repair. After testing and flushing installations shall be disinfected in accordance
with the requirements of the Water Services Department.
2.1.8 All water systems shall contain an adequate device or devices to prevent the
occurrence of backflow.
2.1.9 Any apparatus which would have the effect of rendering drinking water unfit for

human consumption, shall not be fitted.

paddy147

slavetothegrind wrote: »

Not worth it johnny, you get banned he wins forum loses! Stick him on ignore list instead

Well,Heinbloed is quick enough to slander another company on another thread here on this forum today (yet again).....but he wont answer anyone here when asked 2 very simple questions.:rolleyes:

JohnnieK

slavetothegrind wrote: »

Not worth it johnny, you get banned he wins forum loses! Stick him on ignore list instead

Great idea!! Never thought of that.

awnow

Does every county council have it's own set of water bye-laws issued?

JohnnieK

awnow wrote: »

Does every county council have it's own set of water bye-laws issued?

They should have.

danjo

Joey the lips wrote: »

When i fit my tap i used a wall plate not commonly available but very good which gave added insulation.

I also fitted a gate valve so i can turn off the water from inside if frost or kids are imminent.

I also fitted a non return valve as its regulation.

I am not the most competitent when it comes to plumbing but i know all i need to in theory if that makes sense. So if your half good at DIY you will be fine.

You will also be well protected from the "water thieves" when the new charges come into play.
Good information in your post Joey.

heinbloed

For all the DIYers on this forum:

http://www.schell-armaturen.de/index.php?vw_type=artikel&vw_id=16858&struktur=1&praesenz=6

heinbloed

Since it was mentioned by some posters in this thread:

EN1717 (not a local by-law!) demands the installation of backflow preventing devices.
To protect public water systems.
The public water system ends at the point of private ownership, usually at the meter.

Joey the lips

heinbloed wrote: »

For all the DIYers on this forum:

http://www.schell-armaturen.de/index.php?vw_type=artikel&vw_id=16858&struktur=1&praesenz=6

heinbloed wrote: »

Since it was mentioned by some posters in this thread:

EN1717 (not a local by-law!) demands the installation of backflow preventing devices.
To protect public water systems.
The public water system ends at the point of private ownership, usually at the meter.

Its amazing the tap you mention for DIYERS and not public bodies comes with an anti vacuum device to prevent siophoning. You understand i appreciate knowledge and you know fitting a non return valve is a logical and senseable step but you are trying to convice us that in fact black is now white.

You started the arguement. Its a general consenses if not an actual requirement in every council to prevent siophoning. It is a fact of law i dont need to highlight that if you polute the public water system you are liable.

Its also a fact of science that if water goes for any reason and where a hose is left connected to a tap(quite a common site) then the vacuum created will actually suck the water back down the hose pipe. If this hose pipe head is lying in a bucket of stagnent water that too will be sucked back.

You know appreciate and understand this logic but as i said you will always do your best to argue black is in fact now white.


Thread closed issue has been flogged to death.