new commercial??????

amacca

looking to get myself a new commercial....have a 2.8 mitsubishi pajero now but its time for a change (even though its running well still)

vehicle has to be a commerical and will be used to tow a cattle trailer occasionally and cart tools and bags of feed etc around the rest of the time.


trouble is it was easy to choose what to go for when I bought it, now I'm a bit at sea when it comes to researching what might be a decent reliable 4x4 for me.......

looking at crewcabs like......mitsubishi l200, toyota hilux, nissan navarra

also looking at landcruisers, discoverys, bmw x5, vw touareg etc

which machines in general (all things being equal) are considered reliable and fairly ok to run............like some of the prices and the looks of the touareg myself.............really like the X5 but presume they are costly to run and not really for towing...

what would ye go for?

colm_mcm

The later Isuzu dmax is very highly regarded

101sean

By new, do you mean brand new? If so, you can forget the X5 and toerag, all new commercials have to be factory built.

Any full size 4x4 should be rated to tow 3500kg and be capable of doing it, whether they are good at it is another matter.

Crewcabs are a bit of a compromise, have a a couple of test drives to see if you can live with one, they are a tarted up pick up and can have a harsh ride. A full size commercial 4x4 is based on a passenger model and should be more comfortable.

Bitten & Hisses

Why not go for the newer model Pajero? Go for a LWB 3.2 litre automatic, as the drivetrain in the manuals is made out of toffee. There's some good value to be got out there at present. IMO the X5 and Touareg would cost a lot of money with stupid things going wrong.

amacca

101sean wrote: »

By new, do you mean brand new?

sorry..that was silly of me. I mean second hand (maybe from 04 - 08 or newer depending on price around a 10k budget but would stretch for something nice)

new to me though (the pajero is a 96 jap import with close to 300k miles - I'm getting nervous even though its not given me an ounce of bother yet)

amacca

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Why not go for the newer model Pajero?

one of the reasons I went for the pajero originally was the fact they seemed to outnumber all other makes by about three to one in marts around me at the time and I could still see very early models on the road so I presumed they must be reliable + I really liked the looks of them (not my primary concern but it helps)

Now I see toyota landcruisers dominating (not as much) and I have heard people complaining about the new pajeros......................although to be fair people will complain about anything I suppose....still I dont see as many farmers going for them these days

the reason I was thinking crewcab was I would be able to bring people along to give me a hand now and then which was one of the only inconveniences of owning the pajero comm.

101sean

In that case you might find a few luxury 4x4s destroyed internally converted to commercial

Depending on where you go to tax a crew cab for the first time, you could be asked for the PPS numbers of employees who need the seats.

Pajeros (Shoguns) always outnumbered Land Cruisers by a big margin in the UK, seems to be the reverse here.

notsobusy

Correct me if I am wrong I think if he has a VAT num and a herd number he should be ok for commercial tax for the crew cab.

101sean

Now some tax offices are asking for PPS numbers of the employees that need the second row seats when registering a crew cab for the first time. That's on top of the usual proof for commercial tax.

amacca

101sean wrote: »

Now some tax offices are asking for PPS numbers of the employees that need the second row seats when registering a crew cab for the first time. That's on top of the usual proof for commercial tax.

ah ffs.....its just occasionally I might need a couple of people to help with fencing...................just casual labour etc...may not know their pps numbers when registering as I may not have even met them then..........cant see many yummy mummies taking the piss with crewcabs on the school run:D

might just go the normal jeep route and let them find their own way if they want the work

notsobusy

Ring your local tax office and find out if you definitely have to have crew cab status if you have a herd num.

101sean

Difficult isn't it. Trouble is the past "ah shure, it'll be grand" attitude, the ineptitude of our our politicians, the stupid VRT and motor tax rules and big loss of motor tax revenue has buggered it up for those with genuine need for commercial tax.

Query it with the local tax office anyway.

taintabird

If you are toeing forget the x5 and the touareg useless for that job as for the discovery electrics can give trouble, stick with Toyota I say

Bitten & Hisses

amacca wrote: »

I have heard people complaining about the new pajeros......................although to be fair people will complain about anything I suppose....still I dont see as many farmers going for them these days

I already posted a reply, but my connection went down in the process, so here goes again.
I have a 2004 Pajero since 2006, I have put up 122K of the current 141K miles on the clock. I have replaced the following:

• Front brake discs (my own fault due to driving like a loon)
• Rear brake calipers, which seized
• Exhaust centre section when 3 weeks out of the 3-year warranty. Mitsubishi Ireland went above and beyond the call of duty to replace it when they could have told me to feck off.
• Dual-mass flywheel and clutch - Utterly maddening, cost over €3K and should not have happened, as I'm very easy on a clutch. Hence the recommendation for an automatic
• A set of front suspension bushes

Other things that annoy me are:
The anaemic, weak recoil on the seatbelts, which means that any passenger usually leaves them hanging out of the door
The steering wheel and gearknob leather has now disintegrated
It now pops out of first gear when cold. Yet another reason to go for an automatic, and if I could be bothered fixing it, will cost at least a grand.

All in all, I highly recommend the 3.2, but as already mentioned, the transmission in the manual is made from toffee

GalwayKiefer

101sean wrote: »

Now some tax offices are asking for PPS numbers of the employees that need the second row seats when registering a crew cab for the first time. That's on top of the usual proof for commercial tax.

If I were to buy a currently taxed crew cab would I have to (possibly) supply pps numbers when renewing the tax or is that requirement now in force only for taxing a new crew cab?

101sean

I think it's any crew cab, gets asked when you register it in your name. Seems to depend on what tax office going by what others have posted here and in the Motors forum.

tony.aspergers

Discovery, best one by far!

db330

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

I already posted a reply, but my connection went down in the process, so here goes again.
I have a 2004 Pajero since 2006, I have put up 122K of the current 141K miles on the clock. I have replaced the following:

• Front brake discs (my own fault due to driving like a loon)
• Rear brake calipers, which seized
• Exhaust centre section when 3 weeks out of the 3-year warranty. Mitsubishi Ireland went above and beyond the call of duty to replace it when they could have told me to feck off.
• Dual-mass flywheel and clutch - Utterly maddening, cost over €3K and should not have happened, as I'm very easy on a clutch. Hence the recommendation for an automatic
• A set of front suspension bushes

Other things that annoy me are:
The anaemic, weak recoil on the seatbelts, which means that any passenger usually leaves them hanging out of the door
The steering wheel and gearknob leather has now disintegrated
It now pops out of first gear when cold. Yet another reason to go for an automatic, and if I could be bothered fixing it, will cost at least a grand.

All in all, I highly recommend the 3.2, but as already mentioned, the transmission in the manual is made from toffee

I've got an 05 3.2 auto, 300,000 km's now and just done a wheel bearing (on 20 inch wheels so probably from those) and 4 discs.
everything else was pads, bulbs, and servicing.

The manuals do have an issue with burning out clutches and taking the dualmass flywheel with them but, it can be done for less than 1K by getting non original parts and getting and indy garage to fit them.

But for your budget you could get a very nice pajero. For what ever reason the pajeros are very cheap at the moment compared to land cruisers, as in 10K could nearly get you an 08 Pajero but only push to an 05/06 land cruiser.

As for the X5's Torougs and land rovers, all are great yokes when they work, but ask anyone whos owned one and they will have all have had some problems, and the issues are much more expensive to fix compared to the Pajeros and Land cruisers.

So my advice is if your going for a jeep get a 3.2 pajero with an auto box, or a land cruiser.

But if you can get around the vat a crewcab may suit you, but their not as nice to drive or sit in. so are those seats worth the loss of comfort

amacca

well it looks like land cruiser or pajero so!

dealer told me there recently there are no problems with pajero manual boxes and that no one wants the automatic as they drink diesel (no surprise he had all manuals to sell I suppose - still he was convincing)


anyone know of a couple of large dealers (4x4, jeeps, commercials) down south with a selection (preferably in the midlands/east) where I might have a look at whats on offer?

101sean

Cahir 4x4 on the old road between Cahir and Clonmel is the only one I know around here
http://www.cahir4x4centre.ie/usedcars.php?p=3

Top Dog

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Other things that annoy me are:
The anaemic, weak recoil on the seatbelts, which means that any passenger usually leaves them hanging out of the door

So its a trait then? Thought it was just me

amacca wrote: »

dealer told me there recently there are no problems with pajero manual boxes and that no one wants the automatic as they drink diesel (no surprise he had all manuals to sell I suppose - still he was convincing)

We've a 3.2 auto with just over 110k up on her now. Been logging the fuel consumption for the last 14k miles (since October) and we've averaged 29.01mpg for it. Can't imagine a manual doing much better, if at all.

db330

Top Dog wrote: »

We've a 3.2 auto with just over 110k up on her now. Been logging the fuel consumption for the last 14k miles (since October) and we've averaged 29.01mpg for it. Can't imagine a manual doing much better, if at all.

Ye i've been keeping track to, and my long term average is 25.5 MPG, but this is involves towing, and alot of inner city commuting. But when I'm driving normally it goes up to 31MPG, Do just motor way stuff below 100kmph and it goes over 40MPG,

Worst I've gotten was 17MPG on a trip to cork with a Box trailer doing 120/130 the whole way.

But there is very little in the difference between the manual and auto fuel wise, And there is no Problem with the manual box, but the Clutch and Flywheel are just a little softer than most, so if you get a manual make sure they have been changed recently. T

kermitpwee

Just a thought, it won't be popular round here! You are using the jeep for farmwork, I think you should hold on to your 2.8 pajero as they are a good jeep and the will do 500 thou. You will get years out of it, the modern stuff has too much to go wrong imo. Injectors, dmf etc and any lads here locally that changed from 2.8's to modern pajero's and landcruisers were very sorry when pulling trailers up hillside tracks. Take the 10k and put it under the bed:D

Bitten & Hisses

db330 wrote: »

And there is no Problem with the manual box

I thought this too, but when mine started jmping out of first, I did a search on pocuk.com and it appears that the synchros fail on first, which is a spendy issue to sort. Anyone in the know seems to be recommending automatics at this stage.

amacca

kermitpwee wrote: »

Just a thought, it won't be popular round here! You are using the jeep for farmwork, I think you should hold on to your 2.8 pajero as they are a good jeep and the will do 500 thou. You will get years out of it, the modern stuff has too much to go wrong imo. Injectors, dmf etc and any lads here locally that changed from 2.8's to modern pajero's and landcruisers were very sorry when pulling trailers up hillside tracks. Take the 10k and put it under the bed:D

yeah...was sort of thinking that myself


it is running fine and I've never had any problems....but then it needs a new set of tyres and has a small crack in the windscreen (not covered under insurance even though I was sold the policy as an equivalent to my old which had windscreen) so could cost me up to a grand to get it through DOE.

out of curiosity if I was to put it up for sale what would a sensible asking price be with the above drawbacks

97 jap import 2.8 swb manual commercial
electric windows, power steering, air con, adjustable suspension (not sure if this is on all of them)

new full exhaust system installed last year
meta alarm, central locking
full service history since import (have all the receipts)
just double checked mileage/kilometerage (216k kilometers)

4 and a bit months of a doe left

severeoversteer

have 3 landcruisers at the moment a 1999 2001 and 2006, all faultless and doing regular towing work from when each were new, if you change oil and filter every 5000 miles, and all other filters every second oil change, change diff oils and gear oils as in the manual, and use 5 w 30 oil and use dipetane you will never have any problems at all with a landcruiser, have owned 1995 pajero which head cracked, jeep cheroke was useless, discovery ongoing issues overheating and burning clutches, 2002 pajero unresolved issues to this day , mitsubishi l200 was ok but very uncomfortable and slow, freelander not able for work, trooper ok but like a tractor and sluggish to start,

vanderbadger

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

I already posted a reply, but my connection went down in the process, so here goes again.
I have a 2004 Pajero since 2006, I have put up 122K of the current 141K miles on the clock. I have replaced the following:

• Front brake discs (my own fault due to driving like a loon)
• Rear brake calipers, which seized
• Exhaust centre section when 3 weeks out of the 3-year warranty. Mitsubishi Ireland went above and beyond the call of duty to replace it when they could have told me to feck off.
• Dual-mass flywheel and clutch - Utterly maddening, cost over €3K and should not have happened, as I'm very easy on a clutch. Hence the recommendation for an automatic
• A set of front suspension bushes

Other things that annoy me are:
The anaemic, weak recoil on the seatbelts, which means that any passenger usually leaves them hanging out of the door
The steering wheel and gearknob leather has now disintegrated
It now pops out of first gear when cold. Yet another reason to go for an automatic, and if I could be bothered fixing it, will cost at least a grand.

All in all, I highly recommend the 3.2, but as already mentioned, the transmission in the manual is made from toffee

the dmf and clutch is a killer, did you put in the same dmf as the original, had to do my own one a few mths back, bought kit from UK company. got local mechanic to fit, anyway he was very unhappy afterwards, said there is loads of vibration at low revs, anyway long story short the company i bought kit from tell me its an engineered dmf, much tougher than original version (in reality id say its much onto a solid flywheel), they say vibration would go...to be fair to a large extent it has, still a bit when changing into 3rd gear but i dont mind that , mechanic seems happy enough now as well, reckons it should last forever. oh and they latest problem is that the crankshaft pulley has gone, about 250 euro to buy. dealer told me its happening alot of pajeros.. its a good jeep to tow and everything but has nothing done, only on 128kms now, the odd load of cattle to the mart nothing major but i feel if its gives me any more bother i will be getting shut of it

Bitten & Hisses

Yeah, I put in a Mitsubishi DMF, fitted by the local main dealer. Expensive job to say the least.