New European car registration regulation

September1

It seems that EU is looking to make moving cars around easier for people. I makes me wonder how would it affect VRT in Ireland.
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/2012/4/5/commission-cuts-unnecessary-burden-for-registering-a-car-in-another-member-state/43127/

yayamark

its called household tax now

smash

September1 wrote: »

It seems that EU is looking to make moving cars around easier for people. I makes me wonder how would it affect VRT in Ireland.
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/2012/4/5/commission-cuts-unnecessary-burden-for-registering-a-car-in-another-member-state/43127/

The car would still need to be registered.

September1

Now you have to register almost immediately, with new regs you would have 6 months. It seems that also want to limit cost of changing registration, so they could be forced to easy VRT exemption for migrating people. Not to mention that UK companies could be able to provide cars to employees in RoI for example...

smash

September1 wrote: »

Not to mention that UK companies could be able to provide cars to employees in RoI for example...

No they wouldn't. Read the laws. VRT and motor tax would need to be paid. there's also insurance issues.

September1

smash wrote: »

No they wouldn't. Read the laws. VRT and motor tax would need to be paid. there's also insurance issues.

Would EU regulations not take precedence over local law? BTW where can I read this new proposed law, as all I was able to find was just news articles.

smash

September1 wrote: »

Would EU regulations not take precedence over local law?

If it did, then we wouldn't have VRT right now. There's always loop holes.

September1 wrote: »

BTW where can I read this new proposed law, as all I was able to find was just news articles.

I don't know. you're the one who started the thread about it

dr.fuzzenstein

Eurocrats coming up with something that makes things easier, faster and cheaper for the ordinary Joe Soap (or even Johan Seife)?
Hell must have frozen over, useful EU regulations? I am so gobsmacked, I have to pick myself off of the floor.
What's next? Being able to get car insurance from insurers based in another EU country?
But when it comes to VRT, the Irish response has always been "Fcuk Off", so we can expect the current government saying "We didn't like this, so we're going to ignore this and rather pay the €couple of grand/day fines"

smash

You see VRT is not an import tax, it's a registration tax. It will always be there.

September1

I don't know. you're the one who started the thread about it

I was just speculating about what it could mean. You sounded very sure, I hoped you are member of industry and were aware of new regulations via some professional channels.

smash wrote: »

You see VRT is not an import tax, it's a registration tax. It will always be there.

The thing is that they want to make sure that reregistration is not costing them much - they are (in the articles) quite specific that change is about registration costs and hassle. Maybe some smart people in revenue would find a way around it, who knows maybe on their discussion forum they already look for good loophole.

smash

September1 wrote: »

The thing is that they want to make sure that reregistration is not costing them much - they are (in the articles) quite specific that change is about registration costs and hassle. Maybe some smart people in revenue would find a way around it, who knows maybe on their discussion forum they already look for good loophole.

Registration is nothing to do with the EU, it's country specific. Ireland is not the only country to have a VRT.

CiniO

smash wrote: »

Registration is nothing to do with the EU, it's country specific. Ireland is not the only country to have a VRT.

There is Holland and Finland as well...
That probably would be it.

September1

smash wrote: »

Registration is nothing to do with the EU, it's country specific. Ireland is not the only country to have a VRT.

Well, in past there was import duty in Ireland and in other countries - then they were phased out and changed with VRT. Now EU thinks that paying 400E on average in Europe for registering car, so I think VRT that probably is more like 4000E on average would be victim of this new regulation.

Let's summarize simply. EU wants to ban expensive REGISTRATION charges and taxes. Ireland, (maybe also Holland and Finland) has expensive REGISTRATION tax. Duty was in many countries. Duty was banned. Not more duty on intra-EU car trade. Registration charges are in many countries. Registration charges are banned. But you believe this would change nothing?

Of course lose revenue would be replaced by something else

CiniO

September1 wrote: »

Well, in past there was import duty in Ireland and in other countries - then they were phased out and changed with VRT. Now EU thinks that paying 400E on average in Europe for registering car, so I think VRT that probably is more like 4000E on average would be victim of this new regulation.

Let's summarize simply. EU wants to ban expensive REGISTRATION charges and taxes. Ireland, (maybe also Holland and Finland) has expensive REGISTRATION tax. Duty was in many countries. Duty was banned. Not more duty on intra-EU car trade. Registration charges are in many countries. Registration charges are banned. But you believe this would change nothing?

Of course lose revenue would be replaced by something else

I'm not sure but I think Poland still charge duty on imported secondhand vehicles even from EU. I think it's something like about 3% of purchase price for <2.0 litre engine cars, and 17% for >2.0 litre engine cars.
Possibly similar scenario is still in other EU countries, so I wouldn't say duty is gone.

AltAccount

Sounds like they're trying to get rid of administrative burdens and costs, rather than reform taxes...

Also, if you're talking about migrating employees etc, there's already a VRT exemption for people who have lived/worked in another jurisdiction (with Ts&Cs, naturally.

CiniO

I would love to see one day a Europe where you don't have to worry about all that hassle with moving cars between countries.
Simple rules.
1. You can buy a car in any EU state.
2. You have to first register it in your name in country where you actually live at the moment. Also you have to insure it in this country for 12 months.
3. If you move country, there wouldn't be any need for reregistering the car. You would be allowed to drive it on foreign plates.
4. Tests (like NCT) could be done in any country. So if you have a German registered car and live in Ireland, your test was due, there would be no problem to test it in NCT centre.
5. Your insurance would cover you all over Europe for 12 months, no matter in which country you purchased it, or what coutry you actually live. However when renewing, and you moved country since last renewal, you would have to buy policy in your current country.


So example.
Paddy lives in Ireland. He goes to UK to buy a nice car. He brings it back to Ireland, registers in his name on Irish plates and insures it with Irish insurer. Vehicle was tested in UK for another 9 months, so there is no need to do NCT for another 9 months.
However 4 months after purchase, Paddy decides to move to Italy as he found job there. He takes his car with him. He doesn't have to do anything in relation to paperwork. He is perfectly ok to drive the car in Italy. After another 5 months (9 months from purchase) his test runs out, so he tests his car in Italy and gets a cert for 2 years. 3 months later, his insurance from Ireland runs out, so now as he lives in Italy, he has to purchase Italian policy. It doesn't make any difference, as they all offer the same within EU law. A months later Paddy decides to move to Germany now. After 11 months his Insuance policy from Italy runs out, so he now purchases policy in Germany for another 12 months. After another 3 months, he decises to move to UK now.
And still no problem. We've got Paddy living in UK, having Irish registered car, tested in Italy with German insurance. All works out great.

That's just my little fable, but I would love it to work that way one day.

Tigger

CiniO wrote: »

I would love to see one day a Europe where you don't have to worry about all that hassle with moving cars between countries.
Simple rules.
1. You can buy a car in any EU state.
2. You have to first register it in your name in country where you actually live at the moment. Also you have to insure it in this country for 12 months.
3. If you move country, there wouldn't be any need for reregistering the car. You would be allowed to drive it on foreign plates.
4. Tests (like NCT) could be done in any country. So if you have a German registered car and live in Ireland, your test was due, there would be no problem to test it in NCT centre.
5. Your insurance would cover you all over Europe for 12 months, no matter in which country you purchased it, or what coutry you actually live. However when renewing, and you moved country since last renewal, you would have to buy policy in your current country.


So example.
Paddy lives in Ireland. He goes to UK to buy a nice car. He brings it back to Ireland, registers in his name on Irish plates and insures it with Irish insurer. Vehicle was tested in UK for another 9 months, so there is no need to do NCT for another 9 months.
However 4 months after purchase, Paddy decides to move to Italy as he found job there. He takes his car with him. He doesn't have to do anything in relation to paperwork. He is perfectly ok to drive the car in Italy. After another 5 months (9 months from purchase) his test runs out, so he tests his car in Italy and gets a cert for 2 years. 3 months later, his insurance from Ireland runs out, so now as he lives in Italy, he has to purchase Italian policy. It doesn't make any difference, as they all offer the same within EU law. A months later Paddy decides to move to Germany now. After 11 months his Insuance policy from Italy runs out, so he now purchases policy in Germany for another 12 months. After another 3 months, he decises to move to UK now.
And still no problem. We've got Paddy living in UK, having Irish registered car, tested in Italy with German insurance. All works out great.

That's just my little fable, but I would love it to work that way one day.

Just means you're pro European
I am to but be careful who you tell

dr.fuzzenstein

CiniO wrote: »

I would love to see one day a Europe where you don't have to worry about all that hassle with moving cars between countries.
Simple rules.
1. You can buy a car in any EU state.
2. You have to first register it in your name in country where you actually live at the moment. Also you have to insure it in this country for 12 months.
3. If you move country, there wouldn't be any need for reregistering the car. You would be allowed to drive it on foreign plates.
4. Tests (like NCT) could be done in any country. So if you have a German registered car and live in Ireland, your test was due, there would be no problem to test it in NCT centre.
5. Your insurance would cover you all over Europe for 12 months, no matter in which country you purchased it, or what coutry you actually live. However when renewing, and you moved country since last renewal, you would have to buy policy in your current country.


So example.
Paddy lives in Ireland. He goes to UK to buy a nice car. He brings it back to Ireland, registers in his name on Irish plates and insures it with Irish insurer. Vehicle was tested in UK for another 9 months, so there is no need to do NCT for another 9 months.
However 4 months after purchase, Paddy decides to move to Italy as he found job there. He takes his car with him. He doesn't have to do anything in relation to paperwork. He is perfectly ok to drive the car in Italy. After another 5 months (9 months from purchase) his test runs out, so he tests his car in Italy and gets a cert for 2 years. 3 months later, his insurance from Ireland runs out, so now as he lives in Italy, he has to purchase Italian policy. It doesn't make any difference, as they all offer the same within EU law. A months later Paddy decides to move to Germany now. After 11 months his Insuance policy from Italy runs out, so he now purchases policy in Germany for another 12 months. After another 3 months, he decises to move to UK now.
And still no problem. We've got Paddy living in UK, having Irish registered car, tested in Italy with German insurance. All works out great.

That's just my little fable, but I would love it to work that way one day.

That, my friend is precisely what Europe was set up for.
That is the original vision, the reason and purpose of Europe.
Dreamt up by idealists and visionaries, but sadly ruined by gougers, chancers, profiteers, rip-off merchants, criminals, thieves, liars, conmen, lunatics, criminals, the insane and the criminally insane. And that's just the politicians. After that you get the vultures, beancounters, the deranged, suppressed evil geniuses, AKA lawmakers and accountants. Throw in self-serving business interests and you have the thick-browed elite that runs the world. People who have devolved from cavemen and yet, somehow, by sheer arrogance and ignorance, run the world. Like cream, you have to be rich and thick to rise to the top.
What you have described should happen and should have happened long ago.
But because mankind will always overcome any system to further it's own greed, lust for power and just sheer stupidity, it will never happen.
Sadly.

September1

CiniO wrote: »

I'm not sure but I think Poland still charge duty on imported secondhand vehicles even from EU. I think it's something like about 3% of purchase price for <2.0 litre engine cars, and 17% for >2.0 litre engine cars.
Possibly similar scenario is still in other EU countries, so I wouldn't say duty is gone.

Is it not excise tax ? Did it also not depend on age of car (to prevent old imports) and was later changed due to EU pressure? Actually as far as I remember some Polish citizen sued and was granted compensation, then there was a wave of people asking to get unfair age tax refunded, thus current simple rates based on engine size.