Permission to play hurling with another club dilemma

gaatipstr

Ok, I have a bit of a situation regarding permission to play hurling with anther club.

Just before we go on:
Club A - Is current club i play football for
Club B - Is town where i reside hurling club
Club C - Hurling club with whom the parish have an argeement with

Im situated in the football end of a dual county. There are only 2 hurling clbs nearby Cub B and C. I grew up in Club A, but moved to a town (Club nearby when i was 10 but still played football with Club A. The town i moved to had a hurling team but at the time no under age set up.
I playd hurling with my school and all through college so never bothered with joining a club. Last year I went about playing hurling for Club B as there are lots of players from surrounding football clubs playing there club hurling with said club. Here's were it gets complicated.

There is supposedly a ''hidden rule/agreement'' that anyone from the parish of my football club (Club A) has to play there hurling with a Club C which is located at the other end of the parish and that anyone from the otherside of Club B has permission to play with that club. I was told I had to get a letter from Club A to say I had special permission to play with Club B. So last year i tried getting permission from my the club but they wouldnt sign it as they tought it was a full transfer, i then got injuried and was out for a few months so the letter never went through.

This current year I got elected as Secretary for Club A and never bothered trying with the hurling again as I was working away at that time and would only have commitment for one club. As it turned out I was able to return home with work back here. As soon as I returned back, long story short I didnt agree with some things happening in the club and as of Sunday last I cut all my ties with the club for the ret of the year. I dont want to sit out the summer and play nothing so I felt now is the time to finally go about playing hurling with Club B.

My questions are (Finally :pac:)
- As I was secretary for a brief period will this effect me in getting permission to play?
- Is it too late to go about getting permission?
- Can my club effectively stop me playing any hurling this year with Club B in protest of me cutting ties with the club for the rest of the year?
- I technically wasnt a member of club A the last 2 years, would this help me in seeking permission?

Im sorry for the long long long post but I'm just no up to date with transfers etc. Any help will be more than welcomed

solarith

Talk to your county secretary, these rules differ in each county.

pmy.murphy

gaatipstr wrote: »

Ok, I have a bit of a situation regarding permission to play hurling with anther club. Just before we go on:
Club A - Is current club i play football for
Club B - Is town where i reside hurling club
Club C - Hurling club with whom the parish have an argeement with
Im situated in the football end of a dual county. There are only 2 hurling clbs nearby Cub B and C. I grew up in Club A, but moved to a town (Club nearby when i was 10 but still played football with Club A. The town i moved to had a hurling team but at the time no under age set up.
I playd hurling with my school and all through college so never bothered with joining a club. Last year I went about playing hurling for Club B as there are lots of players from surrounding football clubs playing there club hurling with said club. Here's were it gets complicated.
There is supposedly a ''hidden rule/agreement'' that anyone from the parish of my football club (Club A) has to play there hurling with a Club C which is located at the other end of the parish and that anyone from the otherside of Club B has permission to play with that club. I was told I had to get a letter from Club A to say I had special permission to play with Club B. So last year i tried getting permission from my the club but they wouldnt sign it as they tought it was a full transfer, i then got injuried and was out for a few months so the letter never went through.
This current year I got elected as Secretary for Club A and never bothered trying with the hurling again as I was working away at that time and would only have commitment for one club. As it turned out I was able to return home with work back here. As soon as I returned back, long story short I didnt agree with some things happening in the club and as of Sunday last I cut all my ties with the club for the ret of the year. I dont want to sit out the summer and play nothing so I felt now is the time to finally go about playing hurling with Club B.
My questions are (Finally :pac:)
- As I was secretary for a brief period will this effect me in getting permission to play?
- Is it too late to go about getting permission?
- Can my club effectively stop me playing any hurling this year with Club B in protest of me cutting ties with the club for the rest of the year?
- I technically wasnt a member of club A the last 2 years, would this help me in seeking permission?
Im sorry for the long long long post but I'm just no up to date with transfers etc. Any help will be more than welcomed

does club b or club c have a football club?? If moving club is someting you want to pursue then thats your decision. I must advise you from personal experience that its a VERY complicated process and i explored the option at the end of last season albeit under different circumstances as i had a falling out with management and a club official, and i saw what it involves(living in that parish) but that shudnt be a problem 4 you if your living in town b, so i came to the decision to quit hurling completely. Another downside is that friends can be lost from moving clubs.

rebel girl 15

If you are residing still in club B town, then you can transfer there on a full transfer once its not in the parish of club A.

During the two years that u were not a member of club A, were you playing football with club A?

gaatipstr

Thanks for the replies.
When I said I wasnt a member I meant I never paid membership last year and this year. Last year I played a few championship games for our junior C team after coming back from injury. This year I played 3 league games for our 1st team but I have still not paid membership so technically Im not a member of the club.

The club I play football for have never had a hurling team. I dont want to get a full transfer at the moment, I just want to get permission to play Hurling. I talked to a secretary of another club that has a few footballers playing hurling with the Club I want to play hurling for. He said at county board meeting in around jan/feb every year when transfers are been sorted, they just send in a letter saying Our club allow so and so to play hurling with Club B.

Buts it now april and there have been 3 rounds of the football and hurling leagues on, I hope im not too late. If I cant get the permission for the year well then I will seriously consider transfering clubs, even though I will be disowned by many friends and Family. But sure doesnt that come part and parcel with GAA :rolleyes:

rebel girl 15

I'd say given the fact that there are rounds played, you might not be able to get permission. Best bet would be to try and talk to someone involved in the board and see - some counties have certain dates for transfers. Are club C and club A in the same parish?

If they are not, then you should be able to apply for permission to play with club B no problem, no matter what agreement they have in place. TBH it might be too late depending on whether or not the league games influence the championship draws.

gaatipstr

No although there neighbouring town and village there not in the same parish. I remember last year when I was going about getting it done there was one round of league in both codes down and was never mentioned as an issue.

What Im worried about is can my club effectively stop me playing any hurling this year by not signing?

Bear in mind hurling is like a foreign sport in my club and anyone interested in it is treated like a lepper and its also a very very clannish club so Im sure to run into objections

rebel girl 15

Technically they cannot unless it is written into the county bye laws that if you are playing for club A in football, you must play with C in hurling

Its covered under rule 6.4 of the official guide, exception 1
A Player of a separately affiliated Hurling Club may play football with a separately affiliated Football Club, and vice versa, within a County, subject to any restrictions provided in County Bye-Laws.

A County Committee may make alternative arrangements in the interests of the promotion of Hurling/Football, provided that the arrangements have been approved by Central Council

gaatipstr

I reserached my countys bye-laws and this was listed under the tranfers section

Exceptions:

• Where there is no under-age team (U-12, U-14, U-16, Minor & U-21) in a Parish, a player in that Parish, may play with an Independent Team within the County which shall not bear the name of an adult Club within the County.
• Where there is no adult football team in a Parish, a player from a hurling Club, in that Parish, may play with a football team, and vice versa, within the County.

Note 1: All Exceptions shall have the approval of the County Committee. Applications for exceptions shall only be considered at the 1st meeting of the County Committee each year and shall be submitted to the County Committee, by the relevant Club, in advance of the 1st meeting of the County Committee.

Note 2: Exceptions under (a) or (b) above shall only be approved by the County Committee on receipt of an application from a club, on behalf of all eligible players and where the request is for all players at the same grade to play with the same Independent Team/Club.





I presume that this means I cant apply as it is well past the 1st County Board meeting - or could I apply in some sort of other way?

rebel girl 15

By reading note 2 - it sounds as if you'd have to play with club C, because of "on behalf of all eligible players and where the request is for all players at the same grade to play with the same Independent Team/Club." It also means that the club would have to request it, not you

Looks like you are stuck having to play with club C, unless you do a full transfer to club B sorry

gaatipstr

Could I not plead my case with county board, leinster council etc. That Club C is 20+ miles away and that it seems silly that I have to travel that distance to play hurling while a hurling club is literally next door to my house?

rebel girl 15

You could always plead ignorance - try going down the road you did a few years ago, looking for a letter and make sure that they know it is not a full transfer, just permission to play. You being secretary would make no difference at all

They really should take into account the fact that you are living within club B and wish only to play hurling with club B.

gaatipstr

Unfortuentely my Club dont understand this and see it as betrayal. I'm going to contact Club B's secretary and The county board sec tomorrow and see what can be done.

Thanks very for the help Rebel Girl and any others that posted.

rebel girl 15

gaatipstr wrote: »

Unfortuentely my Club dont understand this and see it as betrayal. I'm going to contact Club B's secretary and The county board sec tomorrow and see what can be done.

Thanks very for the help Rebel Girl and any others that posted.

A betrayal for joining a hurling club?? Its pure madness but I understand exactly why it would be seen like that - let us know how you get on.

gaatipstr

Sorry for bringing up an Old thread. Just to update my story:

I was told by the Hurling club that I didnt need a permission slip as I have been living in the town 10 years now. So i trained away and played a couple of league games. Last weekend we played the first round of the championship and i played the whole game. After the match someone brought it up that I wasnt properly registered. It turns out that after all, I do need a permission slip that was supposed to be in by 1st County Board meeting of the year so the club told me that I cant play again until next year as they run the risk of been thrown out of the championship if I play again.
My football club have no problem with me playing hurling and Said they will sign or support anything to help me.

I have a few questions hopefully someone can answer because a year without hurling will be devastating for me:
1. Can I apply to my provincial council and get an exception to play as I live in the town majority of my life and due to a mix up in the hurling clubs committee a letter wasnt sent in on time.

2. If it comes to light that I played hurling championship illegally can I get suspended?

3. Could I go to Croke Park and plead my case and tell them everything and hpefully they could make an exception?

Any help would be gratefull
Thanks
D

bruschi

I know of a player who was in Perth and played a bit, nothing too much and we were told at the time, a few years back, that you didnt need to go through the full transfer process. his club qualified for a final at home, and he pretty much finished his time there to go back to the club (this was when the playing season was over in Perth). They wanted to be sure it was ok to play him, and asked GAA authorities. He was slapped with a 52 week ban. I couldnt believe it. Lads do worse on the field, bring the game into disripute etc, and a lad away on holidays playing a bit of GAA for something to do on a sunday morning gets banned for a year. Since that, the clubs in WA were told they had to use a waiver type system so all players register and fill out proper forms for it now.

gaatipstr

See thats what im worried about, dont want to get banned for something that sounds ridiculous. Is there any loophole i could go through to play hurling without getting banned or told to wait till next year?

bruschi

gaatipstr wrote: »

See thats what im worried about, dont want to get banned for something that sounds ridiculous. Is there any loophole i could go through to play hurling without getting banned or told to wait till next year?

genuinely havent a clue. because of loopholes, you could get through, but also could get you banned and the club thrown out of their competition.

Maybe get someone to ring the co board and ask is it possible to register a player now. But mention no names at all, and even try keep the name of the club out of it. dont want to rouse suspicion. it could be a case of having to suck it up and wait til next year to get it put through and sit out of the rest of the year playing championship. as with the guy I know, he was banned and he didnt even line out with his home club when he came home.

gaatipstr

I did a bit of research and came to the conclusion that I could get an exception to play as I genuinely thought I was registered as the club told me I was ok. But if thats the case then I can get 12 week ban and the club would have there championship awarded to the other team. That would mean no football or hurling till the middle of august when the season is just about over. I think I may just suck it up as you say. Im only new to the club so I dont want to be known as the lad that cost them a championship for getting there match over ruled.

GAA is a funny auld game when it comes to paper work.