What's being built near Charlesland golf club, off Charlesland rd.?

deemk

What's with all the construction work, does anyone know?
Just worried that whatever it is will block the view of the sea :mad:

P0lygon Wind0w

You can search all the Wicklow planning applications here
http://www.wicklow.ie/eplan41/SearchExact.aspx?FocusFieldName=Address

It can be quite interesting actually

And view them on a map
http://193.178.1.178/Wicklow_allcounty_gplan/

Looks like it might be a nursing home....?
http://www.wicklow.ie/ePlan41/FileRefDetails.aspx?file_number=08323&LASiteID=0

Or a plastics factory.....yikes
http://www.wicklow.ie/ePlan41/FileRefDetails.aspx?file_number=114628&LASiteID=0

deemk

Thanks gavinjc, I'll have a look!

Langerland

Could be that industrial unit alright. Is something finally being built on that IDA site?

Charlie-Bravo

deemk wrote: »

...whatever it is will block the view of the sea :mad:

Looks like it's the Wicklow plastics planning application. How good a view do/did you have?

FWIW, they have submitted a landscaping drawing with the application...hopefully the trees will block your view of the factory :rolleyes:

ad1234

Hi all, was just wondering if anybody knew what they are building/working on just down from the Seabourn apts accross from Charlesland?

ad1234

was there not zoned residential though? i just asked the same question ha ha

Langerland

I think it's the IDA land so doubt it's residential. I haven't looked in detail, but it seems they also have a place in Newtown.

http://www.procap.com/index.php/en/procap-plastic-caps-contact/12-sites-procap/6-procap-uk

A few jobs and a bit of enterprise. Might entice a few more into the area.

wicklowdub

There was a planning notice up for some sort of a plastic's factory a while ago, presume its that.

Jimjay

Yep looks like he plastic factory. According to this website work was due to start on 2/4/2012 and take 18months and cost over 6million euro
http://www.cisireland.com/ProjectDescription.aspx?id=1027

Surprised this isn't really big news as the Ida have done nothing with the site for years and were pushed to market it.

Taltos

Thought this was a joke until I read the planning app.
Crazy to me - Greystones is a place of outstanding beauty (biased and don't mind admitting it).

I just hope that however they build this factory that they properly screen it off with trees etc to not only hide it from view but that all waste is properly disposed of - both water borne and air-borne.

Sad times folks - yes it means jobs but at what cost.

wicklowdub

Dont think you will be able to see it from the road tbh, Its mostly single storey according to the planning application and where its being built it is on a decline.

Taltos

wicklowdub wrote: »

Dont think you will be able to see it from the road tbh, Its mostly single storey according to the planning application and where its being built it is on a decline.

If that's the case and proper care is taken with pollution (as with any manufacturing facility) then I guess this can only be a good thing for local employment.

I personally just hate driving past the business parks you see in some areas. So here's hoping you are right and this can be the model for plants to come - built with the environment and surroundings in mind.

pixbyjohn

wicklowdub wrote: »

Dont think you will be able to see it from the road tbh, Its mostly single storey according to the planning application and where its being built it is on a decline.

Planning Reference No.: 114628
Application Date: 06/09/2011
Decision Date: 27/10/2011
Start Date: 02/04/2012
Finish Date: 28/09/2013
Period: 18 Months
Floor Area: 7810 m2
Site Area: 2.82 hectares
Structures: 1
Value: €6,056,655 (Estimate)
Funding Type: Private
Units:
Storeys: 2
Car Parking:
Construction Type: New Build

Jimjay

pixbyjohn wrote: »

Planning Reference No.: 114628
Application Date: 06/09/2011
Decision Date: 27/10/2011
Start Date: 02/04/2012
Finish Date: 28/09/2013
Period: 18 Months
Floor Area: 7810 m2
Site Area: 2.82 hectares
Structures: 1
Value: €6,056,655 (Estimate)
Funding Type: Private
Units:
Storeys: 2
Car Parking:
Construction Type: New Build

I think I read most of it will be 1 storey but part 2.
Not too sure about the silos though, not much info about those.

pixbyjohn

Copy of drawing of factory

http://www.wicklow.ie/idocsweb/ViewFiles.aspx?docid=93258&format=jpeg

ad1234

so is it this factory? thanks all

Inhousejoke

Completed in 18 months? Brilliant, that's just when I'm finished college, thank god! Considering that there aren't very many jobs in Greystones this is great, and I'll echo the comments made about pollution and view etc. I'm actually working in a factory in Kilcoole at the moment and the industrial estate actually looks quite pleasant! (White buildings, tucked in a bit behind the mainstreet). If they place it properly I can't see any negatives.

Dr.Silly

anyone know what's been built to the left of the roundabout heading into charlesland ?

thanks

Dr.Silly

Dr.Silly wrote: »

anyone know what's been built to the left of the roundabout heading into charlesland ?

thanks

thanks for moving mod, didn't notice this thread.

Jimjay

Inhousejoke wrote: »

Completed in 18 months? Brilliant, that's just when I'm finished college, thank god! Considering that there aren't very many jobs in Greystones this is great, and I'll echo the comments made about pollution and view etc. I'm actually working in a factory in Kilcoole at the moment and the industrial estate actually looks quite pleasant! (White buildings, tucked in a bit behind the mainstreet). If they place it properly I can't see any negatives.

I read that the company were not creating any new jobs, only transferrig their current 6 staff from newtown with a possibilty of new employment in the future.

matt-dublin

big old building for just 6 people

Annasopra

matt-dublin wrote: »

big old building for just 6 people

Massive building - you could fit a hundred employees there.

Taltos

Unfortunately it is now clearly visible when coming down the hill from Kindlestown wood, so the view across to Wicklow head is a little different now.
Had hoped it would be screened behind trees - and maybe it will be.

Just hoping that the current visibility is just during the building phase. Shame the planning office could not do something simple like require cladding to be green or some other non aluminium colour that fades into the surroundings.

Just a thought.

matt-dublin

totally agreed, the view is brutal from my place. worse than the fairways :P

IanL

Country is on its arse, we should be glad of local employment, I'm sure there's plenty out of work in the area.

P0lygon Wind0w

It's not exactly the plush area of Greystones now is it? NIMBY etc etc. Seems like it's in a grand spot really.

Taltos

God. No-one is giving out about employment - my concern is the blot on the landscape. Worked before in a factory down the country - unless you knew it was there or saw the sign at the gate you had no idea it was there.

Called blending in with the environment. Wicklow is a beautiful county and I am proud of it for the most part - just hate that view down to Wicklow now being detracted by what I can only describe as an eyesore. Whether it could be hidden by coloured cladding or blended into the surrounding area - leaving it as is - well it's horrific.

You mightn't agree - and that's ok - all of our tastes are different. I personally don't appreciate or find a factory pleasing to look at when I try to enjoy the scenery.

Maudi

Taltos wrote: »

God. No-one is giving out about employment - my concern is the blot on the landscape. Worked before in a factory down the country - unless you knew it was there or saw the sign at the gate you had no idea it was there.

Called blending in with the environment. Wicklow is a beautiful county and I am proud of it for the most part - just hate that view down to Wicklow now being detracted by what I can only describe as an eyesore. Whether it could be hidden by coloured cladding or blended into the surrounding area - leaving it as is - well it's horrific.

You mightn't agree - and that's ok - all of our tastes are different. I personally don't appreciate or find a factory pleasing to look at when I try to enjoy the scenery.

I agree totally ..no effort whatsoever to soften its outline..be sympathetic to nearby houses.im sure the view from the golf course aint great either..it can be done..look at the sewage treatment facility nearby..it cant be seen at all from either direction..trees planted to screen it e.t.c too....and somebody trained in college for years and that eyesore of a factory is the best he came up with for the area..well done...(any extra jobswill be great though)

Jimjay

This is what it will look like
http://www.procap.com/index.php/en/procap-plastic-caps-corporate/procap-plastic-caps-news/procap-plastic-caps-interne-news/155-nouvelle-usine-en-irlande
The planning permission also states it should be hidden by trees, although if those trees take 30 years to grow that wont be much use.

MyPerfectCousin

just hate that view down to Wicklow now being detracted by what I can only describe as an eyesore

The view from where, exactly? I drive past it every day and it doesn't bother me at all seeing as it is well set back from the road.

pixbyjohn

Taltos wrote: »

Unfortunately it is now clearly visible when coming down the hill from Kindlestown wood, so the view across to Wicklow head is a little different now.
Had hoped it would be screened behind trees - and maybe it will be.

Just hoping that the current visibility is just during the building phase. Shame the planning office could not do something simple like require cladding to be green or some other non aluminium colour that fades into the surroundings.

Just a thought.

Jimjay wrote: »

This is what it will look like
http://www.procap.com/index.php/en/procap-plastic-caps-corporate/procap-plastic-caps-news/procap-plastic-caps-interne-news/155-nouvelle-usine-en-irlande
The planning permission also states it should be hidden by trees, although if those trees take 30 years to grow that wont be much use.

From earlier posts

MyPerfectCousin

I guess I'm more concerned with what things look like from ground level, not some distant aerial view.

I can see that a large building could spoil the panoramic view of uninterrupted fields, but being so close to the much larger Charlesland development, does it really make that much difference?

recedite

Jimjay wrote: »

This is what it will look like
http://www.procap.com/index.php/en/procap-plastic-caps-corporate/procap-plastic-caps-news/procap-plastic-caps-interne-news/155-nouvelle-usine-en-irlande

It looks just like the swimming pool. I bet they'll get a few people showing up with togs and towels

Taltos

MyPerfectCousin wrote: »

I guess I'm more concerned with what things look like from ground level, not some distant aerial view.

I can see that a large building could spoil the panoramic view of uninterrupted fields, but being so close to the much larger Charlesland development, does it really make that much difference?

Actually it really does. Even last night as I came home I couldn't help but let my eyes be drawn to it. Hopefully the trees from the pp will soften it - who knows even from this height the perspective might cause the trees to blend it in.

Thanks to the others for linking in my earlier posts. Hopefully it is just because it is a change to the view I keep looking at it - hopefully in time it will fade. Remember a factory in Walkinstown, when it first went up it could be seen everywhere but after a years weathering from a distance it looked like a stormy sea - but it was deep blue in colour not white. (Fingers crossed though)

karma_coma

Although i'd agree that the facility could have been designed with a little more imagination, practically speaking, it is not a special site and as such does not really warrant any special treatment.

It is built on IDA land that has been left lying idle for a long time. With one company now investing on the site, others may be more attracted to consider Greystones as a location. This is only a positive that will generate more employment opportunities.


Anyway, in case any factory owners are considering setting up here and are trawling this thread, here's some links to well designed industrial units! :

http://fancycribs.com/27851-typical-warehouse-with-an-extra-glass-box-on-top.html

http://www.archdaily.com/40086/huanacu-warehouse-office-tfps/

http://www.habitables.co.uk/architecture/warehouse-mullen-heller-architecture

http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/9/view/19815/group-a-workshop-steigereiland.html

hollster2

its the plastics factory its moving from newtown i heard

matt-dublin

hollster2 wrote: »

its the plastics factory its moving from newtown i heard

you shoulda read the thread before posting....

looking at it from my place up in the crescent its a huge eyesore, when the sun shines on it the whole bloody thing glows!

hollster2

matt-dublin wrote: »

you shoulda read the thread before posting....

looking at it from my place up in the crescent its a huge eyesore, when the sun shines on it the whole bloody thing glows!

i did read the post you dont have to be rude its lookd horrendous where it is

P0lygon Wind0w

But nobody opposed the planning?

Jimjay

gavinjc wrote: »

But nobody opposed the planning?

Did anyone know about it? The first i heard about it was acter it was approved. I remember thinking how they sneaked it through. I walk up the road all the time and never remember seeing a planning board.

matt-dublin

IDA land, i think they managed to get PP under the radar.

pixbyjohn

Some of the conditions of granting of planning permission
> Landscaping:

18. A tree planting and landscaping scheme, prepared by a qualified landscape architect, shall be submitted prior to occupation of the development for the written agreement of the Planning Authority. The scheme shall include proposals for a 10m riparian habitat buffer to the Three Trouts Stream to the requirements of the Planning Authority. The proposed development shall accord with this agreement.

REASON: In order to assimilate development on this site into the surrounding area, in the interests of visual amenity and proper planning and development.

19. The landscaping and tree planting shall be carried out before or during the first planting season or part thereof occurring after the occupation of development. Any plants, which become seriously damaged, shall be replaced by others of similar size and species.

REASON: In order to assimilate development on this site into the surrounding area, in the interests of visual amenity and proper planning and development.

Lighting:

20. All external lighting shall comply or be so altered to comply with the Guidance Notes for the Reduction of Light Pollution: Institute of Lighting Engineers 2000. Prior to the commencement of use of any light, confirmation, from a suitably qualified professional person, that the development complies with this standard shall be submitted to and agreed in writing with the Planning Authority.

REASON: In the interests of residential and visual amenity.

recedite

18. A tree planting and landscaping scheme, prepared by a qualified landscape architect, shall be submitted prior to occupation of the development for the written agreement of the Planning Authority. The scheme shall include proposals for a 10m riparian habitat buffer to the Three Trouts Stream to the requirements of the Planning Authority. The proposed development shall accord with this agreement.

"Riparian" means along a river- so these trees would be at the back of the site, and to the right hand side of it looking from the road. They will do nothing to screen the building, except maybe from one of the Seaview apartment blocks.
However, this means there is a now a great opportunity to continue the riparian parkland footpath which runs along the stream through Charlesland, on down towards the sea at Woodlands/the driving range. The 10metre strip mentioned in the PP could easily accommodate a tarred footpath.
Before the works started there was an old dirt path going across the IDA site and round the back of the railings of the water treatment plant to the Three Trout Stream bridge at Woodlands. From there a short path goes along the very end of the driving range straight to the beach. That would make it a five minute walk from Charlesland to the beach.

Maudi

recedite wrote: »

18. A tree planting and landscaping scheme, prepared by a qualified landscape architect, shall be submitted prior to occupation of the development for the written agreement of the Planning Authority. The scheme shall include proposals for a 10m riparian habitat buffer to the Three Trouts Stream to the requirements of the Planning Authority. The proposed development shall accord with this agreement.

"Riparian" means along a river- so these trees would be at the back of the site, and to the right hand side of it looking from the road. They will do nothing to screen the building, except maybe from one of the Seaview apartment blocks.
However, this means there is a now a great opportunity to continue the riparian parkland footpath which runs along the stream through Charlesland, on down towards the sea at Woodlands/the driving range. The 10metre strip mentioned in the PP could easily accommodate a tarred footpath.
Before the works started there was an old dirt path going across the IDA site and round the back of the railings of the water treatment plant to the Three Trout Stream bridge at Woodlands. From there a short path goes along the very end of the driving range straight to the beach. That would make it a five minute walk from Charlesland to the beach.

Hey!thats my shortcut...but its still there..as you walj down the tarmac road towards the site..veer down towards the left hand corner the site offices should be on your right....its quiet overgrown and single file in places.it follows the boundry line of the treatment plant..exits at the little bridge near driving range...great shortcut tho.

Maudi

recedite wrote: »

18. A tree planting and landscaping scheme, prepared by a qualified landscape architect, shall be submitted prior to occupation of the development for the written agreement of the Planning Authority. The scheme shall include proposals for a 10m riparian habitat buffer to the Three Trouts Stream to the requirements of the Planning Authority. The proposed development shall accord with this agreement.

"Riparian" means along a river- so these trees would be at the back of the site, and to the right hand side of it looking from the road. They will do nothing to screen the building, except maybe from one of the Seaview apartment blocks.
However, this means there is a now a great opportunity to continue the riparian parkland footpath which runs along the stream through Charlesland, on down towards the sea at Woodlands/the driving range. The 10metre strip mentioned in the PP could easily accommodate a tarred footpath.
Before the works started there was an old dirt path going across the IDA site and round the back of the railings of the water treatment plant to the Three Trout Stream bridge at Woodlands. From there a short path goes along the very end of the driving range straight to the beach. That would make it a five minute walk from Charlesland to the beach.

Hey!thats my shortcut :-)....but its still there..as you walk down the tarmac road towards the site..veer down towards the left hand corner the site offices should be on your right....its quiet overgrown and single file in places.it follows the boundry line of the treatment plant..exits at the little bridge near driving range...great shortcut tho.

annie5

Anyone know what that huge new warehouse is on way from charlesland heading towards greystones village? just nosey!

pixbyjohn

annie5 wrote: »

Anyone know what that huge new warehouse is on way from charlesland heading towards greystones village? just nosey!

Its a factory and there is another thread about it here somewhere

Here is the link> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056594420

Charlie-Bravo

Link here to the business behind it which are currently based out of Newtownmountkennedy: Procap in Ireland

Caption: PROCAP WICKLOW will move in late 2012 to a new plant near the former site on a plot of 27,000 m².

With the Group's growth, the current site reached saturation point. This investment of 8.5 million Euros will face the future calmly. Once fully extended, the additional capacity will triple the sales in a highly qualitative environment!

With their expansion perhaps a few extra jobs for the locale.